How to hire undocumented landscape workers in Montgomery County, MD)
Mike Green
landscape project this Spring. Quotes from landscapers are in the $5000 to
$7000 range, with about $3000 of the cost being labor. From what I can
tell, the landscaping companies hire day laborers from the Casa De Maryland
day labor gathering point and basically mark up their cost of labor to make
a profit. According to this web site,
http://grass-roots.org/usa/casamd.shtml, I could just hire the day laborers
myself and cut out the middleman (the landscape company). So, can anyone
tell me the answers to these questions? I am particularly interested in
hearing from people who have hired day laborers from the Casa De Maryland
gathering point, but if anyone has done a similar project with "undocumented
workers", I'd appreciate any advice.
1. How much should I offer to pay these guys per hour?
2. Do I need to be worried about the INS, the IRS, or any other government
agency?
3. Presumably, I will just need to pay the workers in cash for each day's
work. Do I need to worry about taxes in any way?
4. Should I pay them for transportation time? I plan to pick up the workers
and take them back to the gathering point each day.
5. I don't know much Spanish, although I know a few basic phrases. Will
that be a problem?
6. I would supply drinks, but should I also supply lunch?
7. How safe is it to deal with these people and have them come to my house?
8. Any other comments or suggestions?
Thanks for any advice.
JockoBailey
"Mike Green" <ho...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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: I moved to Montgomery County, Maryland last Fall and need to start a
:
HA HA April Fools.
Jocko
dadiOH
> 5. I don't know much Spanish, although I know a few basic phrases.
> Will that be a problem?
Depende. Si los obreros no hablan ingles, si, tendrias problema. Como
piensas tu en comunicarles sus deseos a ellos? Como van a peguntarte ellos?
If you can understand the above, you probably won't have a problem.
_________________________
> 6. I would supply drinks, but should I also supply lunch?
It would be expected.
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> 7. How safe is it to deal with these people and have them come to
> my house?
Safe physically or materially? Physically, most likely quite safe.
Materially would be no worse or better than a bunch of ill educated anglo
laborers.
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Tiny Human Ferret
> I moved to Montgomery County, Maryland last Fall and need to start a
> landscape project this Spring. Quotes from landscapers are in the $5000 to
> $7000 range, with about $3000 of the cost being labor. From what I can
> tell, the landscaping companies hire day laborers from the Casa De Maryland
> day labor gathering point and basically mark up their cost of labor to make
> a profit. According to this web site,
> http://grass-roots.org/usa/casamd.shtml, I could just hire the day laborers
> myself and cut out the middleman (the landscape company). So, can anyone
> tell me the answers to these questions? I am particularly interested in
> hearing from people who have hired day laborers from the Casa De Maryland
> gathering point, but if anyone has done a similar project with "undocumented
> workers", I'd appreciate any advice.
>
> 1. How much should I offer to pay these guys per hour?
Pay them minimum wage. That way, you're not giving them an advantage
over legal workers.
By the way, I do landscaping work. And I am a citizen and a Marylander
since 1963.
>
> 2. Do I need to be worried about the INS, the IRS, or any other government
> agency?
Absolutely not.
There is no more INS. It was broken up almost two years ago. The
successor agency, the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement
("ICE") has only 2000 agents for the whole of the US who can be assigned
to immigration enforcement in the interior, or border-crossing prevention.
Law-enforcement in Montgomery County MD is absolutely prohibited from
inquiring about or reporting immigration status. Hell, if you go up to
Casa de Maryland, you will see representatives of the department of
police engaging in collaboration with persons they must suspect are not
legally in the USA. So there's nothing to fear from them, either. And
the State police is restricted to patrolling the highways outside of
local jurisdictions, with the exception of handling human-rights cases.
So, the only cops you have to worry about are the ones that you'll meet
if you fail to pay your illegals.
Similarly, no need to fear the IRS. They've got better things to do than
to bust people for income-tax evasion, especially petty things like
failing to withhold taxes for workers who aren't legally in the country
and aren't legally working. As far as the IRS is concerned, these people
simply don't exist.
>
> 3. Presumably, I will just need to pay the workers in cash for each day's
> work. Do I need to worry about taxes in any way?
See above.
>
> 4. Should I pay them for transportation time? I plan to pick up the workers
> and take them back to the gathering point each day.
>
> 5. I don't know much Spanish, although I know a few basic phrases. Will
> that be a problem?
Unlikely, there's almost always one "crew chief" who will speak passable
English.
>
> 6. I would supply drinks, but should I also supply lunch?
That's up to you. If you want to, you can buy them their lunch and pay
them to sit around and eat it. I doubt they'd object.
>
> 7. How safe is it to deal with these people and have them come to my house?
"How dare you impugn the characters of these hard-working immigrants?"
>
> 8. Any other comments or suggestions?
HIRE AMERICAN.
There are 12 millions of illegal aliens illegally WORKING in the USA.
There are 12 millions of AMERICAN CITIZENS NOT WORKING in the USA.
Do The Math.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
>
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often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
Mike Green
"charles bash" <C6...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Green is wondering whether he should be worried about hiring
> "undocumented workers" to do a landscaping job on his (I guess)
> premises. He is making the assertion that a gathering point for day
> laborers is the Casa De Maryland in Montgomery County, Md. and then
> raises a question about the use of "undocumented workers."
>
> Mike, I wouldn't worry a Whole lot. Hiring an "undocumented" foreigner
> day laborer is only a small Felony crime, punishable by $5000 fine or 5
> years in jail. If you hire, say 6 of the varmints, then you could be
> liable for $30,000 or 30 years in jail. Mebbie you should move to an
> apartment where the landscaping is done << by others.>>
>
> To further clarify this matter, I am going to mail Copies of your Post,
> to the BICE,, to the Congressional Oversight committee on immigration
> and to my Congressman, Rep Jim Moran of 11th cong district of Virginia,
> and hand carried to the Internal Revenue Office in Baileys Crossroads,
> VA.
>
> The Gist of my letters will be, perhaps Mike Green has furnished
> "probable cause" for a BICE raid on Casa De Maryland..
>
> Naturally I will request a Follow Up from my congressman on this matter.
> I am sure he will do so. I attended his local "town meeting" 3 weeks
> ago, and Grappled with him on Free Trade, but didn't get the chance to
> grapple on "undocumented workers". Now's my chance.
>
> Will post again on enny results from my letters.
> Charles Bash
>
>
>
What's the problem with hiring undocumented workers? According to these
Washington Post articles, Montgomery County government now only approves of
it, but encourages it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5335-2001May31.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49650-2001Jul25.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36215-2000Dec7.html
I have a well drawn, detailed landscape plan, and I've done lots of
landscaping myself in my previous homes, but if I can get people for $8 to
$10 / hour to do basic digging and moving of landscape materials, it's
easily worth it. I have an endorsement on my homeowner's insurance that
protects me in case any of the workers get hurt. After reading the other
posts, I don't see any downside.
- Mike
rck
Bob
"Mike Green" <ho...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Mike Green
> Responding to Mike Green's 2nd post on the subject, wherein he cites
> Bash's earlier post -- in toto -- and remains Unruffled by the
> Invective that other contributors hurled his way. He finds No Sympathy
> for his plight in this NG.
>
> Mike now sez::<<< What's the problem with hiring undocumented workers?
> Montgomery County government no(t) only approves of it, but encourages
> it.>>> ........ how true.....
>
> Mike :: The illegal alien has been Courted for 30 years at all levels of
> Government,, and treated as a Constituency! The Broadest answer to how
>>
>
<snip>
>
I can't believe that you are being so hard on my idea to use the Casa
people.
Before considering the day laborers from Casa De Maryland, I was going to
hire some local high school and college students to do the work, but they
wanted around $13 to $15 per hour. No way am I going to pay that when I can
get people to do the work for around 25% less. Not only that, but if the
day laborers don't do a decent job, I can just cut their pay or not pay them
at all. From what I can tell, they really don't have much recourse except
in cases of severe abuse. (Don't worry, though, I won't take advantage of
them.)
Actually, the Casa service is looking even better than I first thought. My
house exterior also needs painting, and I can get a decent painter (my
neighbor already used him, so I know he's good) from the Casa for $12 /
hour. He gave me references and I looked at the work and talked to the
homeowners and the work is excellent. It will take about 20 hours to do the
entire job, including sanding and scraping, so the total cost will be only
about $240 + transportation time, plus about $100 for paint, which I will
purchase directly. The so called "professional" painters (US citizens) want
$1500 to $2000 for the same job.
The only downside to hiring the undocumented day laborers is that I'll have
to drive about 25 minutes from my house to pick them up and return them, but
it's still worth it.
I'll bet that if you faced the same choices, you'd go with the day laborers,
too. Like I said before, the county encourages it.
- Mike
pablito
Do You like Your country mr. Green ????
Are you a supporter of those who do not like the
United States and are jealouse of the fact that we made
our country great by hard work with our own two hands
and that the reason that this country is great is because
we are a very nationalistic people, and not a multicultural
nation.
Do you consider yourself a subversive to the Citizens
of the United States of America, because by supporting
the illegal foreign national alien criminals, this is an act
of subversion, and a criminal act.
Are YOU ready to sell your country into the state of a
third world cesspool, as by supporting the illegal foreign
national alien criminals, this is exactly what your doing.
I suggest if you really want to hire mexicaneers, then move
to Mexico, life is real cheap, and you can hire them for
less there....
I suggest you crawl out of your hole in the sand, and take
a good look at some of the damage that this hoard of
invaders from south of the border is causing to communities
all across the United States of America, and cease
listening political hacks that are hoping to use the
mexicaneers for a new source of votes.
Do you have any idea what your support of these illegal
foreign national alien criminals is costing YOU in tax
dollars... You need to take a good hard look, and you
will change YOUR tune....
Pablito.
*CBHVAC*
unadulterated replies...more below.
"Mike Green" <ho...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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>
> "charles bash" <C6...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:15852-40...@storefull-3197.bay.webtv.net...
> > Responding to Mike Green's 2nd post on the subject, wherein he cites
> > Bash's earlier post -- in toto -- and remains Unruffled by the
> > Invective that other contributors hurled his way. He finds No Sympathy
> > for his plight in this NG.
> >
> > Mike now sez::<<< What's the problem with hiring undocumented workers?
> > Montgomery County government no(t) only approves of it, but encourages
> > it.>>> ........ how true.....
> >
> > Mike :: The illegal alien has been Courted for 30 years at all levels of
> > Government,, and treated as a Constituency! The Broadest answer to how
> >>
> >
> <snip>
> >
> I can't believe that you are being so hard on my idea to use the Casa
> people.
>
> Before considering the day laborers from Casa De Maryland, I was going to
> hire some local high school and college students to do the work, but they
> wanted around $13 to $15 per hour. No way am I going to pay that when I
can
> get people to do the work for around 25% less. Not only that, but if the
> day laborers don't do a decent job, I can just cut their pay or not pay
them
> at all. From what I can tell, they really don't have much recourse except
> in cases of severe abuse. (Don't worry, though, I won't take advantage of
> them.)
Bullshit. How about you hire a licenced contractor to cover your ass when
you get reported by your neighbor..plus..if he does not do the job you ask,
hes got insurance to cover the screwups..
Wont take advantage of them....in THAT case, pay them $75 an hour each.
>
> Actually, the Casa service is looking even better than I first thought.
My
> house exterior also needs painting, and I can get a decent painter (my
> neighbor already used him, so I know he's good) from the Casa for $12 /
> hour. He gave me references and I looked at the work and talked to the
> homeowners and the work is excellent. It will take about 20 hours to do
the
> entire job, including sanding and scraping, so the total cost will be only
> about $240 + transportation time, plus about $100 for paint, which I will
> purchase directly. The so called "professional" painters (US citizens)
want
> $1500 to $2000 for the same job.
There is a reason the pros want more..but I doubt trying to explain it to
you would do any good.
>
> The only downside to hiring the undocumented day laborers is that I'll
have
> to drive about 25 minutes from my house to pick them up and return them,
but
> it's still worth it.
Poor baby.
>
> I'll bet that if you faced the same choices, you'd go with the day
laborers,
> too. Like I said before, the county encourages it.
No longer. But perhaps its different up east..
>
> - Mike
>
>
Looking at the groups this was posted to, and the audacity of the post..I
smell a troll from hell.
But..that comment about faced with the same, we all would hire day laborers
that are illegal....what a crock. There are tons of our own people that I
would pay more, for the same work, that could use the money more....take
care of our own..
And Mike...you are one cheap assed son of a bitch..troll or not.
Tiny Human Ferret
It certainly does. You will note, there are no similar facilities which
have a focus on finding work at similar skill levels for Americans or
non-hispanic legal resident aliens.
> I have a well drawn, detailed landscape plan, and I've done lots of
> landscaping myself in my previous homes, but if I can get people for $8 to
> $10 / hour to do basic digging and moving of landscape materials, it's
> easily worth it. I have an endorsement on my homeowner's insurance that
> protects me in case any of the workers get hurt. After reading the other
> posts, I don't see any downside.
For $8-10/hr you can certainly hire Americans.
Tiny Human Ferret
> "charles bash" <C6...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:15852-40...@storefull-3197.bay.webtv.net...
>
>>Responding to Mike Green's 2nd post on the subject, wherein he cites
>>Bash's earlier post -- in toto -- and remains Unruffled by the
>>Invective that other contributors hurled his way. He finds No Sympathy
>>for his plight in this NG.
>>
>>Mike now sez::<<< What's the problem with hiring undocumented workers?
>>Montgomery County government no(t) only approves of it, but encourages
>>it.>>> ........ how true.....
>>
>>Mike :: The illegal alien has been Courted for 30 years at all levels of
>>Government,, and treated as a Constituency! The Broadest answer to how
>>
> <snip>
>
> I can't believe that you are being so hard on my idea to use the Casa
> people.
>
> Before considering the day laborers from Casa De Maryland, I was going to
> hire some local high school and college students to do the work, but they
> wanted around $13 to $15 per hour.
I doubt that. That's what a journeyman plumber's assistant with a
season's experience is likely to get.
> No way am I going to pay that when I can
> get people to do the work for around 25% less. Not only that, but if the
> day laborers don't do a decent job, I can just cut their pay or not pay them
> at all. From what I can tell, they really don't have much recourse except
> in cases of severe abuse. (Don't worry, though, I won't take advantage of
> them.)
>
> Actually, the Casa service is looking even better than I first thought. My
> house exterior also needs painting, and I can get a decent painter (my
> neighbor already used him, so I know he's good) from the Casa for $12 /
> hour. He gave me references and I looked at the work and talked to the
> homeowners and the work is excellent. It will take about 20 hours to do the
> entire job, including sanding and scraping, so the total cost will be only
> about $240 + transportation time, plus about $100 for paint, which I will
> purchase directly. The so called "professional" painters (US citizens) want
> $1500 to $2000 for the same job.
>
> The only downside to hiring the undocumented day laborers is that I'll have
> to drive about 25 minutes from my house to pick them up and return them, but
> it's still worth it.
>
> I'll bet that if you faced the same choices, you'd go with the day laborers,
> too. Like I said before, the county encourages it.
Sounds to me like you are a troll doing a pad promotional announcement
for Casa de Maryland.
Mike
if Mr. Green hired the landscaping contractor, and the landscaping
contractor hired the day laborers... how is this any different?
BTW, I have one neighbor as fanatical as you Pablito, so to avoid his
ranting, I'm doing my landcaping excavation myself.
Mike
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dadiOH
> For $8-10/hr you can certainly hire Americans.
As laborers? Sure can where I live (central Florida).
Polybius
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:50:13 -0500, "dadiOH" <dad...@x-mail.net> wrote:
>
>
>>As laborers? Sure can where I live (central Florida).
>
>
>
> In that area wouldn't they be Cuban swimmers?
If someone wanted to arrest foreign nationals in the US illegally, and
the contractors, decorators and landscapers who hire them, all they
would have to do is watch the Home & Garden Channel.
H. Reader
"rck" <musonthemt....@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> If the law were enforced, half of the Southwest would be in prison.
And that would be excellent.
Mike Green
Additional questions and answers (answers obtained from other source):
9.
Q: What should I do if any of the workers are seriously injured?
A: You can take the worker to nearest emergency room and leave, but be sure
to pay him for the hours that he has worked before you drop him off. Worker
will get free emergency medical care and referral for free follow-up care.
If worker is very seriously injured, call 911 and EMTs will collect and
transport worker at no direct cost to you.
10.
Q: What should I do if a worker dies at my house?
A: Call 911 and let them take him away. You will probably be asked a few
questions by the "authorities", but nothing else will come of it
References:
http://www.gazette.net/200409/bethesda/news/203648-1.html
http://www.gazette.net/200410/bethesda/news/204807-1.html
11.
Q: What should I do if a worker commits a serious crime against me, such as
assault or major theft?
A: Contact the Montgomery County police and they *might* do something, if
you really push them. If you live in Rockville, don't even bother calling
the Rockville police, as they won't do a thing for you. Instead, go to the
Court Commissioner (available 24/7) at the Montgomery County Detention
Center and swear out a complaint yourself.
- Mike
Trai' La Trash.
My uncle has a free employee burial plan.
You die and we burry you free.
Nehmo Sergheyev
> I moved to Montgomery County, Maryland last Fall and need to start a
> landscape project this Spring. Quotes from landscapers are in the $5000 to
> $7000 range, with about $3000 of the cost being labor. From what I can
> tell, the landscaping companies hire day laborers from the Casa De Maryland
> day labor gathering point and basically mark up their cost of labor to make
> a profit. According to this web site,
> http://grass-roots.org/usa/casamd.shtml, I could just hire the day laborers
> myself and cut out the middleman (the landscape company). So, can anyone
> tell me the answers to these questions? I am particularly interested in
> hearing from people who have hired day laborers from the Casa De Maryland
> gathering point, but if anyone has done a similar project with "undocumented
> workers", I'd appreciate any advice.
>
> 1. How much should I offer to pay these guys per hour?
- Nehmo –
Over here in Kansas City, they expect US$8/hour. If a guy turns out to
be more than a laborer, adjust that upwards. Wages are probably higher
over there.
- Mike Green –
> 2. Do I need to be worried about the INS, the IRS, or any other government
> agency?
- Nehmo -
No.
- Mike Green –
> 3. Presumably, I will just need to pay the workers in cash for each day's
> work. Do I need to worry about taxes in any way?
- Nehmo -
No.
- Mike Green –
> 4. Should I pay them for transportation time? I plan to pick up the workers
> and take them back to the gathering point each day.
- Nehmo -
No, and you explain the clock starts when you get to the job.
- Mike Green –
> 5. I don't know much Spanish, although I know a few basic phrases. Will
> that be a problem?
- Nehmo -
You'll probably be able to get by. Landscaping doesn't entail many
critical communications.
- Mike Green –
> 6. I would supply drinks, but should I also supply lunch?
- Nehmo -
I even feed them if they're white. Buy a bunch of cheap buggers or
something. Burger King has tacos two for a buck. On the beverage,
heavy on the caffeine and sugar.
- Mike Green –
> 7. How safe is it to deal with these people and have them come to my house?
- Nehmo -
In general, they would be more honest than you; however, there are
some bad manzanas. If you don't feel confident in your own ability to
judge character, bring your dog.
- Mike Green –
> 8. Any other comments or suggestions?
- Nehmo -
If the guy is drinking, even just a beer, don't take him.
There's a limit to how many people you can manage effectively. On the
first day, start with just two guys.
If after working for a bit, a particular guy turns out to be a dud, be
prepared to walk him immediately.
--
*********************
* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************
Tiny Human Ferret
<snips>
> Q: What should I do if a worker commits a serious crime against me, such as
> assault or major theft?
>
> A: Contact the Montgomery County police and they *might* do something, if
> you really push them. If you live in Rockville, don't even bother calling
> the Rockville police, as they won't do a thing for you. Instead, go to the
> Court Commissioner (available 24/7) at the Montgomery County Detention
> Center and swear out a complaint yourself.
Hah. Good luck. I tried that and it worked exactly one time, or at least
it got an officer to go talk to the perpetrator.
Thereafter, they told me to just call an officer to the scene. In all
circumstances thereafter, by the time the officer arrived, the
perpetrator was gone and could not be located.
The response of the police department was probably to start a file on me
telling responding officers to ignore all complaints from me which
involved allegations of assault or in which foreigners were involved.
So much for Amendment 14 Section 1 "equal protection of the laws".
Interestingly, the person for you to talk to if you've been a victim, is
a latina activist for illegal-alien rights when she's not a court
interpreter.
Don
> My uncle has a free employee burial plan.
> You die and we burry you free.
Ahhh, NOW we find out why you got that new loader! ;-)
Trai' La Trash.
> Mike Green wrote:
>
> <snips>
>
>> Q: What should I do if a worker commits a serious crime against me,
>> such as assault or major theft?
>>
>> A: Contact the Montgomery County police and they *might* do
>> something, if you really push them. If you live in Rockville, don't
>> even bother calling the Rockville police, as they won't do a thing
>> for you. Instead, go to the Court Commissioner (available 24/7) at
>> the Montgomery County Detention Center and swear out a complaint
>> yourself.
>
> Hah. Good luck. I tried that and it worked exactly one time, or at
> least it got an officer to go talk to the perpetrator.
>
> Thereafter, they told me to just call an officer to the scene. In all
> circumstances thereafter, by the time the officer arrived, the
> perpetrator was gone and could not be located.
>
> The response of the police department was probably to start a file on
> me telling responding officers to ignore all complaints from me which
> involved allegations of assault or in which foreigners were involved.
>
> So much for Amendment 14 Section 1 "equal protection of the laws".
>
> Interestingly, the person for you to talk to if you've been a victim,
> is a latina activist for illegal-alien rights when she's not a court
> interpreter.
If you guys are talking Montgomery MD I've had to bail a guy out there and
have to say the place is a joke!
Tiny Human Ferret
Would you care to elaborate? Details, details...
Nehmo Sergheyev
>>> 2. Do I need to be worried about the INS
>>> , the IRS, or any other government agency?
- Nehmo -
>>No.
- Rico dJour -
> An unqualified no...?
- Nehmo -
Yes. What in particular would you suggest OP worry about?
- Mike Green -
>> 3. Presumably, I will just need to pay the workers in cash for each
day's
>> work. Do I need to worry about taxes in any way?
- Nehmo -
>> No.
- Rico dJour -
> Another...? What if the guy gets injured?
- Nehmo -
OP's question was about taxes. Are you suggesting he should pay workers'
comp?
- Nehmo -
>>I even feed them if they're white. Buy a bunch of cheap buggers or
>>something. Burger King has tacos two for a buck. On the beverage,
>>heavy on the caffeine and sugar.
- Rico dJour -
> Let's see. Judges...? YES! We have a winner in the Asshole Comment
of the
> Day category. Congratulations, Nehmo.
- Nehmo -
You don't like Burger King? Actually, I rotate the menu. One day I go to
McDonald's, the next, El Taco, and so on. Sometimes I get microwave at
Quick Trip. I eat the same stuff myself.
Feeding the crew on-site keeps them from leaving in the middle of the
job and gives them physical satisfaction. These are laborers who are
likely totally broke when you pick them up. As I pointed out, the
expense to the contractor can be minimal.
- Mike Green -
>> 7. How safe is it to deal with these people and have them come to my
house?
- Nehmo -
>> In general, they would be more honest than you; however, there are
>> some bad manzanas. If you don't feel confident in your own ability to
>> judge character, bring your dog.
- Rico dJour -
> "More honest than you"? Listen, you already won the award. Stop
sucking up.
- Nehmo -
Mexicans _from Mexico_ are on the average more honest than the average
American. (I'm a white American, BTW.) I can pick up a new guy and
leave him with my truck full of tools, and I don't worry.
- Nehmo -
>> If the guy is drinking, even just a beer, don't take him.
- Rico dJour -
> Gee, now you're just going for brownie points.
> What about if the guy is shooting up?
- Nehmo -
Is he willing to share?
- Rico dJour -
> How about breaking into a car?
- Nehmo -
Those guys already have an occupation. Why would they need me?
- Rico dJour -
> Good post, Swifty.
- Nehmo -
I already told you, Rico, such praise embarrass me.
But regarding the thread, you're so flippant, I really can't figure out
what your position is. Are you saying OP shouldn't hire these laborers?
Lyle B. Harwood
Sergheyev <neh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
€ (I'm a white American, BTW.)
I'm shocked.
--
Lyle B. Harwood, President
Phoenix Homes, Inc.
(206) 523-9500 www.phoenixhomesinc.com
GFRfan
> On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:46:20 GMT, "Mike Green" <ho...@mailinator.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I moved to Montgomery County, Maryland last Fall and need to start a
>>landscape project this Spring. Quotes from landscapers are in the $5000 to
>>$7000 range, with about $3000 of the cost being labor. From what I can
>>tell, the landscaping companies hire day laborers from the Casa De Maryland
>>day labor gathering point and basically mark up their cost of labor to make
>>a profit. According to this web site,
>>http://grass-roots.org/usa/casamd.shtml, I could just hire the day laborers
>>myself and cut out the middleman (the landscape company). So, can anyone
>>tell me the answers to these questions? I am particularly interested in
>>hearing from people who have hired day laborers from the Casa De Maryland
>>gathering point, but if anyone has done a similar project with "undocumented
>>workers", I'd appreciate any advice.
>
>
> My advice would be for you to not illegally hire illegals.
>
>>1. How much should I offer to pay these guys per hour?
>
>
> $1.00/hr
>
>>2. Do I need to be worried about the INS, the IRS, or any other government
>>agency?
>
>
> Of course not. Our government loves illegals and people who hire them.
>
>>3. Presumably, I will just need to pay the workers in cash for each day's
>>work. Do I need to worry about taxes in any way?
>
>
> Read above.
>
>>4. Should I pay them for transportation time? I plan to pick up the workers
>>and take them back to the gathering point each day.
>
>
> Only if you are stupid, which you seem to be.
>
>>5. I don't know much Spanish, although I know a few basic phrases. Will
>>that be a problem?
>
>
> The problem is the fact that you are willing to hire illegals and are
> willing to break the federal laws.
>
>>6. I would supply drinks, but should I also supply lunch?
>
>
> Only if you are willing to poison said lunch for them.
>
>>7. How safe is it to deal with these people and have them come to my house?
>
>
> Not safe, but you deserve whatever happens to you since you are
> willing to hire them.
>
>>8. Any other comments or suggestions?
>
>
> Hiring illegals in my opinion is nothing less than a personbeing a
> traitor to his own country.
>
>>Thanks for any advice.
>>
>
>
Good answers.
--
Yard and Garden Handyman
GFRfan
You are a CEO aren't you. Dirtbag.
GFRfan
And your kind, runs Montgomery County, right. You cheap, unpatriotic
bastard!!