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I've purchase a number of Grizzly machines and have two more on order now, waiting for a backordered cabinet saw to come in on the boat, and an 8" jointer. Every negative story I've heard about Grizzly had to do with delivery, not the machine's they sell. Usually it's machines damaged during delivery. Grizzly has two choice's in this area, buy their own trucks and deliver, or use the trucking companies that are already in business. I don't blame Grizzly for not wanting to branch into the trucking business when there are companies already doing that as their specality. Amazon does the same thing using shipping company's to deliver their products, and I have the same problems with delivery of Amazon products. Unless you have the good fortune to have a machine tool manufacturer or dealer near your home, you're at the mercy of the trucking companies, and my experience with them is they don't give a rip what happens or what you think of them. For me, Grizzly is about three hour drive one way from my home, so I drag my trailer up there and pick up my machines. Yes, I shoot a day doing this, buy at least I'm in control, and I love Grizzly machines and the money I save on them. Shipping problems are temporary, these machines will give me many years of good service, if not a lifetime....
Absolutely right Malcolm - that $500 includes all my overhead for my 1500sf shop, utilities, two vehicles, three commercial insurance policies, payroll, office expenses,...etc. In the end, for the time I work a week I'd probably be better off going down to the local McDonalds and working the same hours. Plus, maybe I'd get benifits there, which I didn't even include in the above costs. Don't get me wrong, you can make a lot of money in woodworking if you want to sit in an office and play golf all week to land the big law office account. I prefer playing with tools and wood all day. In the end I'd probably do this for free as I can't imagine doing anything else
Shaun - as stated earlier in this thread, $500 is a pre-overhead wage - what I bill myself out for as a professional woodworker - the amount left over after rent, utilities, insurance....etc is a lesser amount. So much lesser infact that I've raised my rates recently so that they work out to around $750 a day now. Fuel and utility costs have increased, plus I have two college tuitions coming up and my 28' sailboat is feeling small lately. ON A SERIOUS NOTE - When I first posted this thread it was to complain about second problem with a Grizzly purchase and to state that I wasn't going to make a third mistake. Now 120 messages later its turned into an us vs. them thing. Two things I'd like to point out - I never was a real Grizzly hater, in fact, I was a big fan, and to some extent I still am - I have several of their machines in my shop - two from the earlier delivery screw up and one I picked up at their warehouse - I like them all to some extent and the price was right - my 15" planer motor overheats after about an hour of continuous use. It takes about an hour to cool down to the point that the motor will start again. For a pro shop this is an inconvience but I live with it because the machine cost me half of the Delta identical version. My 3hp Grizzly shaper has been making bearing noises after maybe only 10hrs of use and Ill be taking this up with the company in the near future. Regardless, I'm not going to purchase any Grizzly machines, not because I don't like them, but because they've screwed me with the shipping twice. I WAS ATTACKED - Something I didn't expect when I posted was that I was pretty much attacked universally from two groups - the first being fanatical Grizzlians that blamed me or the shipper for my problems - "you should have got a lift gate" " you should take it up with Overnight" The second was from the elitist faction that blamed my problems on the fact that I bought a Grizzly Tool in the first place. To me what the whole thing boiled down to was about service - when I tell a customer I'm going to do something I do it. If Grizzly can't handle shipping their tools, then have the customers arrange shipping, or go with someone else.
I completely agree. If you like/dislike a tool and or a companys service, state your reasons why and be done with it. This is one of the reasons I left selling tools. NOTHING STAYS THE SAME !! An experience you had a year or even a few months ago may not accurately reflect the current state of affairs. Refusing to buy from a particular company because of a past slight means nothing. Companys change hands, good/bad people leave. Manufacturing sites change. CEO's take their golden parachutes and haul ####.A suppliers rep may change and along with it the quality of customer service and the trust that must accompany same, all independent of the manufactuer. Tilt at windmills all you want, this is reality. Lets use this forum to explore what is good or bad now for purchases made in the next month. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH !! If You expect free shipping a lifetime guarantee and unlimited handholding for the lowest price and the highest quality tool you are a fool !!! Buy from someone you trust, do your homework, realize that in todays WalMart world low price is everything, knowledge and skill aren't worth squat in the retail world Pay your retailer fairly for his knowledge, and hope like hell his employer recognizes his knowledge and he is'nt dragged down on the averages of store income by people who can't read don't give a rat's #### about tool or quality and spend all their time playing with radio control toys.... Things are relatively simple, keep it that way. If you bought the wrong tool on someone elses advice, suck it up take responsibility, sell the goddamn thing to someone else [tell them the truth ]and buy something else... Whew... don't think it will help but still glad to get it off my chest.For you people buying table saws or other items in the 2k range bear in mind your retailer might be getting $200.00 per sale if he's doing well. How much truth telling and #### kissing do you figure a sale like that is worth considering he had to buy 10k to get that margin and then assemble and clean up one for display, listen to your whining that you could cheat your state on sales tax by purchasing on the internet and watch your unruly kids trash his displays? Yes I know you don't all bring unruly kids to the store, just trying to give you a SMALL idea of what you local retailer has to deal with....
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