Re: AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION

[navendu sharma]

       Interesting Conversion Himanshu, A few thing i also want to share with all of you.

• As the comparison was made between science and existence of god(i.e. spirituality)
• Both the fields work on different principles. I would like to explain them here.

Science :- Science basically deals with proof and facts, but the important thing about science is "once something has been discovered you need not to discover it again". Like electricity once discoverd or Phone or any invention has once invented ,you don't need to invent or discover it again right? Am i making sense? Ya so once thing has discovered you don't discover it again. There is nothing called faith in science which is right also. Now lets talk about God or spirituality.

 

Spirituality (GOD):- There is only one difference in science and spirituality its not "Faith" even in spirituality you have to discover yes mind it you have to discover GOD, Ultimate truth or whatever you say it. But the real difference is,  if one finds it cannot be used by every one. It his own discovery as in Science it is possible one you have invented Phone everyone is using it. But in spirituality every one has to find there own way. Faith is like u just "believe" but you don't know if god exists or not. Faith in spirituality is dangerous. Once you have faith that god God exists your spiritual growth will now .You will not try toi find out GOD or TRUTH.

 

 

 

This the difference between "Science" and Spirituality". So don't compare mangoes with apples.

*These are my personal views. No intentions to heart any one's "Faith".

 

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Himanshu Kulkarni <himanshu...@aimk.org> wrote:

*** An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his
class on the problem science has with God, The
Almighty. 

He asks one of his new students to stand and..... 

============ ========= ========= ========= ========

Prof : So you believe in God?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Prof : Is God good?

Student : Sure. 

Prof : Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes. 

Prof : My brother died of cancer even though he prayed
to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help
others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God
good then? Hmm? 

( Student is silent.)

Prof : You can't answer, can you? Let's start again,
young fellow. Is God good?

Student : Yes.

Prof : Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Prof : Where does Satan come from? 

Student : From...God.. . 

Prof : That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in
this world? Student: Yes.

Prof : Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make
everything. Correct? Student: Yes. 

Prof : So who created evil? 

( Student does not answer.)

Prof : Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred?
Ugliness? ß All these terrible things exist in the
world, don't they?

Student : Yes, sir. 

Prof : So, who created them? 

( Student has no answer.)

Prof : Science says you have 5 senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Tell me,
son...Have you ever seen God?

Student : No, sir. 

Prof : Tell us if you have ever heard your God? 

Student : No, sir.

Prof : Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God,
smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory
perception of God for that matter? 

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't. 

Prof : Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Prof : According to empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do
you say to that, son? 

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith. 

Prof : Yes , Faith ! And that is the problem science
has.

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Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat? 

Prof : Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold? 

Prof : Yes.

Student : No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn
of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more
heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat
or no heat. 

But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458
degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go
any further after that. There is no such thing as
cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the
absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is
energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just
the absence of it. 

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there
such a thing as darkness? Prof: Yes. What is night if
there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal
light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have
no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called
darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness is n't. If
it were you would be able to make darkness darker,
wouldn't you? Prof: So what is the point you are
making, young man? 

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise
is flawed. Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of
duality. You argue there is life and then there is
death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the 
concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.
It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never
seen, much less fully understood either one. 

To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a
substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of
it.

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students
that they evolved from a monkey? 

Prof : If you are referring to the natural
evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your
own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a
smile, beginning to realize where the argument is
going.) 

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process
of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this
process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching
your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher? 

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever
seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the
Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No
one appears to have done so. So, according to the
established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. 
With all due respect, sir , how do we then trust your
lectures, sir? 

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the
student, his face unfathomable. )

Prof : I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir... The link between man & god
is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving &
alive. 

WANT TO KNOW WHO THAT STUDENT WAS?

NB: I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. ..and
if so...you'll probably want your friends/colleagues
to enjoy the same...won't you? So do forward them to
increase their knowledge... this is a true story, and
the student was none other than: Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam,
the current President of India .

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Hope you enjoyed!

Warm Regards,

Himanshu D. Kulkarni.