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Tharanath Achar

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Jan 6, 2013, 1:35:34 PM1/6/13
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Dear 1974 STF friends,
In this post I would like to give you a little facts and figures about our forum. The number 1974 does not indicate the year in which our forum was created, but the number of members.  The list far below this letter is the top 10 individuals who took active involvement in maintain the forum by posting emails. Total 5727 emails calculated to the last few minutes include 90% of one time visitors. Some people could not even write a single email better than a  full fledged SMS.
This is what our forum is said to have achieved in its erstwhile life time! 
I am very sorry for if this page doesn’t show your name in the top ten list. My account of the forum did not show it! 

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Maths & Science Secondary School Karnataka Teachers Forum

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This is a group for the Maths and Science teachers of the Subject Teacher Forum RMSA, Karnataka to share ideas, teaching-learning resources and other information with each other.

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People have to be invited to join.
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Most Active Posters
( the numbers within brackets indicate the posts each individuals  has forwarded to the forum so far.

1. Tharanath (451)
2. suryghanathe29 (338)
3. rajesh yn (107)
4. radha narve (105)
5. Prasannakumar Shetty (77)
6. Mohan Bio (75)
7. Veerendra Thotagar (64)
8. shashikumarstf (48)
9. shailaja HL (40)
10. chaluvanarayana swamy (40)

I will keep updating this information if there is any change in the above list.
Regards.

ತಾರಾನಾಥ್
Tharanath
Graduate Assistant.
Govt. P U College, Belthangady

Yogesh योगि

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Jan 7, 2013, 1:07:00 AM1/7/13
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Dear Tharanath sir,

Really good statistical info. :)

thanks,
Yogesh
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Tharanath Achar

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Jan 9, 2013, 2:56:44 PM1/9/13
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I have attached a pdf file which proves pi as a irrrational number. It is bit difficult for students to understand, but teachers can.

There is another method, which all students can understand is
1. Give clear idea of a rational number.




http://www.forkosh.com/mathtex.cgi?formdata=%5CLarge+x%3D%5Cfrac%7B2%7D%7B5%7D%3D1.666666666........%5C%5C%0D%0AHere+1.6%3D+%5Cfrac%7B16%7D%7B10%7D+%5C%5C%0D%0A++++++1.66+%3D%5Cfrac%7B166%7D%7B100%7D+%5C%5C%0D%0A+++++++1.666+%3D%5Cfrac%7B1666%7D%7B1000%7D+%5C%5C%0D%0A++++++++++1.6666+%3D%5Cfrac%7B16666%7D%7B10000%7D+%5C%5C%0D%0A++++++++++++1.6666.....+%3D%5Cfrac%7B16666....%7D%7B10000.....%7D+%5C%5C%0D%0ABut+say+that+we+can+develop+the+denominator+like+this+for+such+fraction%2C+which+repeats+number+6+at+the+numerator%5C%5C%0D%0AThis+is+called+repeating+but+never+ending.+This+is+a+rational+number+even+then.%0D%0A%0D%0A
http://www.forkosh.com/mathtex.cgi?formdata=Now+show+that+%5Cfrac%7B22%7D%7B7%7D%3D3.142857142857142857....%5C%5C+which+is+again+a+repeating+%5Ba+block+of+142857%5D+and+never+ending+decimal.+%5C%5C%0D%0AThis+is+the+value+of+%5Cfrac%7B22%7D%7B7%7D+if+calculated.%5C%5C%0D%0AThis%5C%3Ais%5C%3A+not%5C%3A++a%5C%3A+irrational+%5C%3Anumber.%5C%5C%0D%0ANow%5C%3Bthe%5C%3Bvalue%5C%3Bof%5C%3B%5Cpi%5C%3Bthen%5C%3Bprove%5C%3Bthat%5C%3Bit%5C%3Bis+%5C%3Bneither%5C%3B%5C%5C%0D%0Arepeating%5C%3Bnor%5C%3Bending%5C%3Band+%5C%3Bsay%5C%3Bthat%5C%3Bit%5C%3Bis%5C%3Birrational

Pi= 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751 .......
If you  cut some digits and set the denominator for the resulting fraction then it would again be rational.
This is non repeating and never ending.
There are chances that children can understand the depth of the concept.
[ I am very sorry if you can not see the above image in which I have used Latex typing for maths.]
Regards.
Please continue the discussion.
Regards.
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Veerendra Thotagar <vru.th...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good evn sir
Plz prove sir how we say π is an irrational no

Veerendra T
GHS kadabagere
Harapanahalli tq
Davanagere dist

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Tharanath Achar

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Jan 10, 2013, 5:32:47 AM1/10/13
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Sir,
22/7 is not irrational. The value of pi is different from the quotient of 22/7. 22/7 is only an approximation that is used by primary school children to use for calculation. It is recuring and non terminating decimal. But pi is non-recuring and non-terminating.

On Jan 10, 2013 3:17 PM, "Veerendra Thotagar" <vru.th...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir give the conclusion that pi is rational or irrational.because if we devoided 22 by 7 we get repeating factor 142857.how it is irrational ? And mention how we get the pi value as 3.1415926535....

Veerendra T
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Davanagere dist

Guru ಗುರು

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Jan 10, 2013, 8:38:55 AM1/10/13
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Yes, Pi is not 22/7. Pi is the ratio of circumferrence to diameter which is written approximately as 22/7. The ratio itself is an irrational number, meaning it is non recurring and non terminating.

while 22/7 is a rational number, being in the form p/q where p and are integers and q<>0

guru

Tharanath Achar

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Jan 10, 2013, 8:42:56 AM1/10/13
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Sir,
22/7 is not irrational. The value of pi is different from the quotient of 22/7. 22/7 is only an approximation that is used by primary school children to use for calculation. It is recurring and non terminating decimal. But pi is non-recurring and non-terminating.

Formula to find the value of pi.



Tharanath Achar

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Jan 10, 2013, 11:10:26 PM1/10/13
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Dear Mahadeva Sir,
Thank you. Presently I am in a training session on Maths - by a technology group.

On Jan 10, 2013 10:08 AM, "mahadeva prasad" <manah...@gmail.com> wrote:


how to teach conditional identiies for tenth class any easy method ? please send me the steps

Tharanath Achar

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Jan 11, 2013, 12:22:29 AM1/11/13
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Dear all,
Mathematics friends of our forum are requested to participate in the following discussion.
Topic: Conditional identities.
Class: 10.
Objective: To find or give easier ideas to solve conditional identities and give examples.
Please help by writing in steps.
Please don't forget to offer the easiest.
Regards.

On Jan 11, 2013 9:58 AM, "mahadeva prasad" <manah...@gmail.com> wrote:


gud morng sir u are in free time please send the answer my question

Guru ಗುರು

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Jan 13, 2013, 1:50:14 AM1/13/13
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Can you tell us more about this training programme
regards
Guru
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Tharanath Achar

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Jan 13, 2013, 3:57:23 AM1/13/13
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Sure sir.
The 4 day long training by Novus STS a techonogy group for private and govt teachers of belthangady I think may override many other groups if it brings pressure on Governments to subsidise schools to purchase its products and software which runs on Windows. I will get home and give you details with picture.
The link to

Tharanath Achar

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Jan 13, 2013, 7:40:29 AM1/13/13
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Dear Guru Sir,
The link to NovusSTS is
 http://www.novussts.com/

The training involved 1. lectures on most basic concepts of Mathematics and Science.
                                            2. hands on experience on how to operate Explorelearning tool.
                                     3. Gizmos on various concepts
                                       4. Padagogy.
                                         5. PPT presentation of NCF2005 followed by discussion.
                                           6. Group discussion and presentation.
 7. Formative Assessment: We are given a remote like devises called Clicker which had some 10 buttons. Multiple choise question paper is shot on LCD screen and we are told to press button which carried  right answer. It took 5 minutes to ask questions and press answer. The presenter displayed our 20  scores in .xls file which he told us would be useful to email the scores of students to their parents, to make consolidated mark register on daily basis. It is very useful in Formative assessment.
          But the trasmitter costs Rs.10000, one clicker costs 2500. One laptop, and a LCD projector, Screen, etc. Our government school can not afford to buy this gadgets which may cost more than 200000 for a class of 20 students. It is called Class Room Response System.

It is almost analogues to the  STF training, but here technology is everything. The points above 2 and 3 resembles our usage Phet and Geogebra. You have to register, pay and subscribe to the Gizmos. It is online lab. We are given a CD as a trial version for one month and a hand book.
 I and some of the teachers who have taken our STF training did not seem to have enjoyed this  training.
 Regards.

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Tharanath Achar

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Jan 14, 2013, 5:31:39 AM1/14/13
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Guru Sir,
Your last brief mail seem to address me only. We all should be informed of what decision our higher officers would take on things like ICT in schools. I hope you will forward the minutes of official meetings  on ICT.
I will be the happiest when two of your principles become a practice backed by the Government orders : not by the encouragement from lower end.
Regards.

On Jan 14, 2013 2:17 PM, "Guru ಗುರು" <Gu...@karnatakaeducation.org.in> wrote:
thank you sir for sharing the information

on 11.1.13 IT for Change organised a 1 day seminar along with Dept of Primary and Secondary Education for directors, joint directors and select deputy directors. Secretary and CPI wer also present and few NGOs
the purpose of the seminar was to discuss ICTs in education and evolve some guiding principles for integrating ICTs into education.
one principle which was mentioned by many participants was to make ICT non-vendor driven and to make needs of education paramount ... will share the highlights of this seminar later
(a second principle was the use of public resources and avoid proprietary resources)

regards
Guru
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