WPS/PQR, Range Qualified

[Shashank Vagal]

Hi Group Members, Please see the following and advise. Shashank Vagal Query: dear every one, i have this problem i need to know the thickness range or pipes diameter range for the wps in which standard i think its in asme sec 9 but where ??? for exmple if i have wps for thickness 15 is it cover the 20 mm waiting answer please regards My Reply:   A WPS is a guideline to ensure joint integrity as proven by PQR + applicable mech tests + NDT. It is intended for all job sizes once the welding technique used proves itself in these tests. The sizes etc come in to picture by qualifying welder on test coupons of a given size as per your job requirements. ASME IX stipulates weld metal deposit and not job size. Please ref to QW 450 - 461.

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[Raghuram Bathula]

thickness limits are defined in QW 403.6 and 403.8, diameter is not a restriction for procedure but thickness limits are.

to weld  20mm thickness your PQR test coupon thickness shall be at least 10mm

[PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL]

Hi

What i interpret from the query is that the thickness of test coupon welded for PQR i.e while qualifying the WPS was 15mm.

Hence as per ASME SecIX, QW-451:which states the Procedure qualification thickness limits, the range of thickness "T" of base metal qualified will be 5mm to 30mm (2T).

Actually the question is not very clear and imp. details like impact requirements are missing ...

All are requested to pose clear,detailed to the point queries so that they can get correct answers / solutions.

Regards

Prem Nautiyal
Cell:9820313278

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:06:21 +0530 wrote
>thickness limits are defined in QW 403.6 and 403.8, diameter is not a restriction for procedure but thickness limits are.to weld  20mm thickness your PQR test coupon thickness shall be at least 10mm
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Shashank Vagal wrote:
Hi Group Members,Please see the following and advise.Shashank Vagal

Query:

dear every one,

i have this problem i need to know the thickness range or pipes diameter
range for the wps in which standard i think its in asme sec 9 but where ???

for exmple if i have wps for thickness 15 is it cover the 20 mm

waiting answer please

regards

My Reply:

 

A WPS is a guideline to ensure joint integrity as proven by
PQR + applicable mech tests + NDT. It is intended for all job sizes once the
welding technique used proves itself in these tests. The sizes etc come in to
picture by qualifying welder on test coupons of a given size as per your job
requirements. ASME IX stipulates weld metal deposit and not job size. Please
ref to QW 450 - 461.

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PREM S NAUTIYAL
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[ankit gupta]

Hai dear
I think it is also given in IS 7310 nd its range is .5t to 1.5t where t is thickness of d test peicfWITH WARM REGARDS 
  ANKIT GUPTA 
     Er@BHEL


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[Gopalasamy, Ramasamy - PY1 Site]

Hi,

 

There is no restriction on thickness or diameter for the PQR. It is requireq for the performance (WPQT) only.

 

Regards,

 

R.Gopalasamy,

Sr.QA/QC Consultant,

Hindustan Oil Exploration Company Ltd,

PY1, Onshore Gas Processing Facility,

Thirukkadaiyur.

email : rgopalasamy @hoec.com

Mobile : 09789090752

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Hi

What i interpret from the query is that the thickness of test coupon welded for PQR i.e while qualifying the WPS was 15mm.

Hence as per ASME SecIX, QW-451:which states the Procedure qualification thickness limits, the range of thickness "T" of base metal qualified will be 5mm to 30mm (2T).

Actually the question is not very clear and imp. details like impact requirements are missing ..

[Shashank Vagal]

Prem, You need impact test...? Why? The question can be answered as it is, see below yours. It is a generic question. But still, I think a WPS is qualified to weld all if within its parameters. Imposition is on weld metal deposits (>12.5 mm per pass). WQT will decide what sizes a welder can weld. SV --- On Sun, 11/10/09, PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL <prem_n...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

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[Muhammed Ibrahim]

Dear Mr. Gopalasamy,

 

There is restriction for thickness range qualified. Pls refer QW-451.1 in ASME Sec. IX.

 

Regards,

Ibrahim

 

2009/10/12 Gopalasamy, Ramasamy - PY1 Site <rgopa...@hoec.com>

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[Shashank Vagal]

Hi, Re: QW 451.1 etc, This thickness / dia range is for the test coupon used at the time of PQR. The welder who ran the PQR automatically gets qualified to this range. But same welding technique / parameters can be used for qualifying welder on any size test coupons w/o any more integrity (mech tests or other) tests - as required for field welds. Just a workmanship test such as bend or NDT is sufficient. In that sense, when a WPS passes in PQR required tests, it is good for all sizes. Hope this is good enough? Shashank Vagal . --- On Mon, 12/10/09, Muhammed Ibrahim <ibra...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL]

Hello Shashank

Pl. refer QW 403.6 for "T" limits impact for base metals which states that:
"the min. base metal thickness qualified is the thickness of the test coupon T or 16mm,whichever is less.However where T is less than 6mm the min. thickness qualified is 0.5T..

Regards

Prem Nautiyal

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:52:00 +0530 wrote
>Prem,You need impact test...? Why? The question can be answered as it is, see below yours. It is a generic question. But still, I think a WPS is qualified to weld all if within its parameters. Imposition is on weld metal deposits (>12.5 mm per pass). WQT will decide what sizes a welder can weld.SV--- On Sun, 11/10/09, PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL wrote:From: PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL Subject: [MW:3482] Re: WPS/PQR, Range QualifiedTo: raghura...@gmail.comCc: material...@googlegroups.comDate: Sunday, 11 October, 2009, 7:24 PMHi

What i interpret from the query is that the thickness of test coupon welded for PQR i.e while qualifying the WPS was 15mm.

Hence as per ASME SecIX, QW-451:which states the Procedure qualification thickness limits, the range of thickness "T" of base metal qualified will be 5mm to 30mm (2T).

Actually the question is not very clear and imp. details like impact requirements are missing ...

All are requested to pose clear,detailed to the point queries so that they can get correct answers / solutions.

Regards

Prem Nautiyal
Cell:9820313278

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:06:21 +0530 wrote

>thickness limits are defined in QW 403.6 and 403.8,diameteris not a restriction for procedure but thickness limits are.to weld 20mm thickness your PQR test coupon thickness shall beat least10mm

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Shashank Vagal wrote:
Hi Group Members,Please see the following and advise.Shashank Vagal

Query:

dear every one,

i have this problem i need to know the thickness range or pipes diameter
range for the wps in which standard i think its in asme sec 9 but where ???

for exmple if i have wps for thickness 15 is it cover the 20 mm

waiting answer please

regards

My Reply:



A WPS is a guideline to ensure joint integrity as proven by
PQR + applicable mech tests + NDT. It is intended for all job sizes once the
welding technique used proves itself in these tests. The sizes etc come in to
picture by qualifying welder on test coupons of a given size as per your job
requirements. ASME IX stipulates weld metal deposit and not job size. Please
ref to QW 450 - 461.


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[Shashank Vagal]

Hi Prem, I have seen it, thanks. I was referring to the generic interpretation, that is what we agreed to when ASME people were involved in Code stamp certification for a client of mine. In the sketch, we said refer to the fab drawing and in sizes - all. It was accepted by the ASME Team Leader. So, you see, I am talking from practical point of view, which more imp, I guess. Regards, Shashank Vagal --- On Tue, 13/10/09, PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL <prem_n...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

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[utreshwar]

hi
can anyone know what is the range of qualification for 40mm thk plate (QW-403.8) for FCAW process. because QW-451 note-3 not shows FCAW process so confused. whether 2T or 5-200mm

[Vanchinath S.A.]

Range qualified will be 5--200. GMAW & FCAW  treated identical for qualifications as per table QW -255.

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[mahesh gohel]

Range qualified 5 - 200 mm (if impact not required)

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