Need WPS clarification with ASME and EN

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Naresh Kumar

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Jul 25, 2012, 1:07:44 PM7/25/12
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Dear experts,

I have a doubt about WPS. Our company has WPS with ASTM material by ASME standard.
Whether this WPS can be used for the equivalent BS material or not.
 
 
Thanks & Regards,
Kumar S 

Vinayak Kale

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Jul 25, 2012, 11:06:28 PM7/25/12
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Can , provided , all essential parameters & properties shall match


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[MW:14959] Need WPS clarification with ASME and EN

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nguyen anh tuan

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Dear Kumar

 

I think you can’t use WPS  for BS material  following QW-424 ASME section 9

 

Nguyen

QA/QC

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Saravanan Sornam

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Jul 26, 2012, 12:46:11 AM7/26/12
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Hi Kumar,
 
Some inspectors can accept this WPS but some would not, because EN materials will be designated as an Unassigned materials as per ASME-IX.
 
Refer ASME-IX QW-424.1 for your knowledge.
 
Better discuss with your client.
 
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Saravanan,
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c sridhar

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Jul 26, 2012, 7:44:55 AM7/26/12
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yes,  U can use any ASME, IS, EN or any group if  P nos and Group nos  matches in all respects.

sridhar.


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Biplab Pal

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Jul 27, 2012, 5:02:22 AM7/27/12
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Dear Kumar,

You can use if the client specify you(Go through client Standard) the equivalent ASTM material for the BS or any other material and the equivalent material falls under your qualified material range.
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Ammar Shaikh

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Jul 27, 2012, 11:34:16 AM7/27/12
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WPS for any specified material takes into consideration the chemical composition and mechanical properties which are validated by PQR.
You can use the WPS if chemical composition is within range, remember that a WPS is valid for all materials of same P No. 
I have used the same to successful results in a project. If you want you can get the same WPS validated by EN material PQR as an extra point for satisfaction.


Ammar Shaikh

cbe swamym

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Jul 28, 2012, 5:53:26 AM7/28/12
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For EN   -  Variable Essential:

 

Process 12

- Each variant of process 12 (121 to 125) shall be qualified independently.

- The qualification given for the flux is restricted to the make and designation used in the welding  procedure test.

 

Processes 131, 135, 136 and 137

-

The qualification given to the shielding gas is restricted to the symbol of the gas according to EN 439.  However, the content of CO2 shall not exceed 10 % of that used to

   qualify   the procedure test. Shielding gases not   covered by EN 439 are restricted to the nominal composition used in the test.

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The qualification given is restricted to the wire system used in the welding procedure test (e.g. singlewire or multiple-wire system).

-

For solid and metal cored wires, the qualification using short circuiting transfer (dip) qualifies only short circuiting transfer (dip). Qualification using spray or globular transfer

  qualifies both spray and globular transfer.

 

Process 141

-

The qualification given to the shielding gas and backing gas is restricted to the symbol of the gas according to EN 439. Shielding gases not covered by EN 439 are 

  restricted  to   the  nominal composition used in the test.

-

A weld procedure test made without a backing gas qualifies a welding procedure with backing gas.

-

Welding with filler material does not qualify for welding without filler material or visa versa.

 

Process 15

- Qualification of the welding procedure is restricted to the plasma gas composition used in the welding procedure test.

- The qualification given to the shielding gas and backing gas is restricted to the symbol of the gas according to EN 439. Shielding gases not covered by EN 439 are

   restricted  to   the nominal composition qualified.

- W

elding with filler material does not qualify for welding without filler material or visa versa.

 

Process 311

- Welding with filler material does not qualify for welding without filler material or visa versa.
 

 
FOR ASME (SMAW)   - Variable Essential 

.

- Essential Variable                      -  QW403.8 = T Qualified,   QW403.9 =  t Pass > 12 in. (13 mm),  ,QW403.11 =  P-No. qualified

- Supplimentry Essesntial Vriable  -  QW403.5 = Group Number,   ,QW403.6 = T Limits impact


 

- Essential Variable                        -  QW404.4 = F-Number,  QW404.5 = A-Number,   QW404.30 = t
- Supplimentry Essesntial Variable  -  QW404.7  =  Diameter > 14 in. (6 mm),  ,QW404.12  =  Classification
 
- Supplimentry Essesntial Variable  -  QW405.2  = Position
 
- Essential Variable                        - QW406.1  =  Decrease > 100°F (55°C)
 

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Essential Variable                       - QW407.1   =  PWHT,   QW407.4   = T Limits
- Supplimentry Essesntial Variable  -  QW407.2  = PWHT (T & T range)
 

- Supplimentry Essesntial Variable  -  QW409.1  =  Heat input,  QW409.4 =  Current or polarity
 
- Supplimentry Essesntial Variable  -  QW410.9  = Multiple to single pass/side


 


Thank & Best Regards,

 

MVeera SAMY,

Coimbatore

 

 
 

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george....@gr.bureauveritas.com

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Jul 28, 2012, 7:56:00 AM7/28/12
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ASME: remember that Group No is supplementary essential parameter. So the PQR, in case impact test is required needs to be repeated. A no is an essential parameter which is very frequently forgotten and is related to the chemical composition of the filler metal.
So in ASME parameters related to chemistry and material properties are P, group, A number and indirectly the F number
Best regards
Dr Georgios Dilintas
Authorized Nuclear Inspector
Authorized Inspector Supervisor
HBS Regional Technical Manager


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WPS for any specified material takes into consideration the chemical composition and mechanical properties which are validated by PQR.
You can use the WPS if chemical composition is within range, remember that a WPS is valid for all materials of same P No. 
I have used the same to successful results in a project. If you want you can get the same WPS validated by EN material PQR as an extra point for satisfaction.


Ammar Shaikh

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:44 PM, c sridhar <sridh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
yes,  U can use any ASME, IS, EN or any group if  P nos and Group nos  matches in all respects.

sridhar.


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sevak hiren

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Jul 30, 2012, 1:08:13 AM7/30/12
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Dear Mr.Naresh,

Pls specify that whether in your job drawing all the materials are shown in BS standard or ASTM/ASME standards, also what is your job construction code ?

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