WPS is 4G.. Can i qualify welder in 3G?
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Srinivas Engr
Feb 1, 2011, 5:57:31 AM2/1/11
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Dear all.
I have a qualified WPS in 4G.
Can i qualify welders to 3G position as per 4G wps without WPS
qualification?
Pl advise me. Its urgent.
Thanks
Srinivas
I have a qualified WPS in 4G.
Can i qualify welders to 3G position as per 4G wps without WPS
qualification?
Pl advise me. Its urgent.
Thanks
Srinivas
muthu barathi
Feb 1, 2011, 6:13:22 AM2/1/11
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Hi .
you have not mentioned any code under which code u want to qualify?
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you have not mentioned any code under which code u want to qualify?
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Srinivas Engr
Feb 1, 2011, 7:24:23 AM2/1/11
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CODE is AWS D1.1
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On Feb 1, 3:13 pm, "muthu barathi" <muthu_bara...@rediffmail.com>
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> Hi .
> you have not mentioned any code under which code u want to qualify?
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> On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:36:44 +0530 wrote
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> >Dear all.
>
> I have a qualified WPS in 4G.
>
> Can i qualify welders to 3G position as per 4G wps without WPS
>
> qualification?
>
> Pl advise me. Its urgent.
>
> Thanks
>
> Srinivas
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> you have not mentioned any code under which code u want to qualify?
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> On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:36:44 +0530 wrote
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> >Dear all.
>
> I have a qualified WPS in 4G.
>
> Can i qualify welders to 3G position as per 4G wps without WPS
>
> qualification?
>
> Pl advise me. Its urgent.
>
> Thanks
>
> Srinivas
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Karthik
Feb 1, 2011, 10:48:00 PM2/1/11
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| As per AWS D1.1 ,4.21 The welding personnel shall follow a WPS applicable to the qualification test required. All of the WPS essential variable limitations of 4.7 shall apply, in addition to the performance essential variables of 4.22. The Welding Performance Qualification Record (WPQR) shall serve as written verification and shall list all of the applicable essential variables of Table 4.12. Suggested forms are found in Annex N.,welder qualification since the change in position is an essential variable for WPS according to table 4.7 (27).you cannot use the 4G WPS to Qualify Welder for 3G Thanks & Regards, (Karthik) Karthikeyan.S QA/QC Manager Getabec Energy Co.,Ltd. 379,Moo6,Soi8,Nikhomphatana, Rayong-21180, Thailand.
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jaya anil
Feb 1, 2011, 11:53:09 PM2/1/11
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Dear Srinivas,
Welder can be qualified in 3G Position using ur 4G WPS, no issue in that.
No need of Qualifying WPS in 3G further .
Regards
Anil
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Suresh
Feb 2, 2011, 12:01:09 AM2/2/11
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Dear Srinivas ,
I truly agreed with Mr.karthik comment .
Regards
Suresh
Thanks & Best Regards,
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Srinivas Engr
Feb 2, 2011, 2:15:32 AM2/2/11
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Dear All.
If the code is ASME SEC 9.
Can i?
On Feb 2, 12:01 am, Suresh <bobsures...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Srinivas ,
>
> I truly agreed with Mr.karthik comment .
>
> Regards
>
> Suresh
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> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM, jaya anil <nethalaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Srinivas,
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> > Welder can be qualified in 3G Position using ur 4G WPS, no issue in that.
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> > No need of Qualifying WPS in 3G further .
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> > Regards
> > Anil
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Srinivas Engr <
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If the code is ASME SEC 9.
Can i?
On Feb 2, 12:01 am, Suresh <bobsures...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Srinivas ,
>
> I truly agreed with Mr.karthik comment .
>
> Regards
>
> Suresh
>
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> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM, jaya anil <nethalaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Srinivas,
>
> > Welder can be qualified in 3G Position using ur 4G WPS, no issue in that.
>
> > No need of Qualifying WPS in 3G further .
>
> > Regards
> > Anil
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Srinivas Engr <
> > srinivas.gmsr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Dear all.
>
> >> I have a qualified WPS in 4G.
> >> Can i qualify welders to 3G position as per 4G wps without WPS
> >> qualification?
> >> Pl advise me. Its urgent.
>
> >> Thanks
> >> Srinivas
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> >> Dear all.
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> >> I have a qualified WPS in 4G.
> >> Can i qualify welders to 3G position as per 4G wps without WPS
> >> qualification?
> >> Pl advise me. Its urgent.
>
> >> Thanks
> >> Srinivas
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Karthik
Feb 2, 2011, 2:42:51 AM2/2/11
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| If ASME Sec.IX - Yes you can..bcos Sec.IX Change in position is not an Essential Variable for WPS. |
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muthu barathi
Feb 2, 2011, 2:58:18 AM2/2/11
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When ever you want an answer you have to say complete details then only
you will get the correct answer.
You have to mention what is the code your supporting PQR u can not
change the code of your PQR qualified. according to that u have to
confirm. Ok even as per section IX also you can not qualify the welder.
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>Dear All.
If the code is ASME SEC 9.
Can i?
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you will get the correct answer.
You have to mention what is the code your supporting PQR u can not
change the code of your PQR qualified. according to that u have to
confirm. Ok even as per section IX also you can not qualify the welder.
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 12:59:06 +0530 wrote
>Dear All.
If the code is ASME SEC 9.
Can i?
On Feb 2, 12:01 am, Suresh wrote:
> Dear Srinivas ,
>
> I truly agreed with Mr.karthik comment .
>
> Regards
>
> Suresh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM, jaya anil
> Dear Srinivas ,
>
> I truly agreed with Mr.karthik comment .
>
> Regards
>
> Suresh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM, jaya anil
wrote:
> > Dear Srinivas,
>
> > Welder can be qualified in 3G Position using ur 4G WPS, no issue in
that.
>
> > No need of Qualifying WPS in 3G further .
>
> > Regards
> > Anil
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Srinivas Engr <
> > srinivas.gmsr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Dear all.
>
> >> I have a qualified WPS in 4G.
> >> Can i qualify welders to 3G position as per 4G wps without WPS
> >> qualification?
> >> Pl advise me. Its urgent.
>
> >> Thanks
> >> Srinivas
>
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> > Welder can be qualified in 3G Position using ur 4G WPS, no issue in
that.
>
> > No need of Qualifying WPS in 3G further .
>
> > Regards
> > Anil
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Srinivas Engr <
> > srinivas.gmsr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Dear all.
>
> >> I have a qualified WPS in 4G.
> >> Can i qualify welders to 3G position as per 4G wps without WPS
> >> qualification?
> >> Pl advise me. Its urgent.
>
> >> Thanks
> >> Srinivas
>
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With Warm Regards,
Muthu Barathi P
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00962775401951
Thanking You,
Honesty is the best Policy
With Warm Regards,
Muthu Barathi P
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00962775401951
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Karthik
Feb 2, 2011, 3:30:46 AM2/2/11
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| ASME Sec.IX - Position is not an Essential Variable for WPS. So 4G WPS can use for 3G welder qualification with all other EV for welders are met.(P.No.,F.No., etc.,) |
Thanks & Regards, (Karthik) Karthikeyan.S QA/QC Manager Getabec Energy Co.,Ltd. 379,Moo6,Soi8,Nikhomphatana,
Rayong-21180, Thailand. Phone: 0066 38 897035-8 (Off) Fax: 0066 38 897034 Hand Phone: 0066 892512282 |
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Srinivas Engr
Feb 2, 2011, 3:48:27 AM2/2/11
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Dear all.
Thanks for ur reply.
I agree with karthik.
@ muthu bharathi.
U r correct i did n't mentioned code at first.
But i want to know about both code D1.1 & sec 9 on tat issue.
thanks u too.
@ all : More comments r welcomed
Thanks & regards
Srinivas
On Feb 2, 12:30 pm, Karthik <karthik6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ASME Sec.IX - Position is not an Essential Variable for WPS. So 4G WPS can use for 3G welder qualification with all other EV for welders are met.(P.No.,F.No., etc.,)
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> (Karthik)
>
> Karthikeyan.S QA/QC Manager Getabec Energy Co.,Ltd. 379,Moo6,Soi8,Nikhomphatana, Rayong-21180, Thailand. Phone: 0066 38 897035-8 (Off) Fax: 0066 38 897034 Hand Phone: 0066 892512282
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Thanks for ur reply.
I agree with karthik.
@ muthu bharathi.
U r correct i did n't mentioned code at first.
But i want to know about both code D1.1 & sec 9 on tat issue.
thanks u too.
@ all : More comments r welcomed
Thanks & regards
Srinivas
On Feb 2, 12:30 pm, Karthik <karthik6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ASME Sec.IX - Position is not an Essential Variable for WPS. So 4G WPS can use for 3G welder qualification with all other EV for welders are met.(P.No.,F.No., etc.,)
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> (Karthik)
>
> Karthikeyan.S QA/QC Manager Getabec Energy Co.,Ltd. 379,Moo6,Soi8,Nikhomphatana, Rayong-21180, Thailand. Phone: 0066 38 897035-8 (Off) Fax: 0066 38 897034 Hand Phone: 0066 892512282
>
> The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views
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> decisions w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.
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> Dear Sir,
>
> Thanking You,
>
> Honesty is the best Policy
>
> With Warm Regards,
>
> Muthu Barathi P
>
> Mobile No:00962788269821 (Jordan)
>
> 00962775401951
>
>
> and meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own
>
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> Dear Sir,
>
> Thanking You,
>
> Honesty is the best Policy
>
> With Warm Regards,
>
> Muthu Barathi P
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muthu barathi
Feb 2, 2011, 3:55:18 AM2/2/11
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NO.
Please refer Table 461.9 of ASME sec ix .
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:03:33 +0530 wrote
>ASME Sec.IX - Position is not an Essential Variable for WPS. So 4G WPS
can use for 3G welder qualification with all other EV for welders are
met.(P.No.,F.No., etc.,)
Thanks & Regards,
(Karthik)
Karthikeyan.S QA/QC Manager Getabec Energy Co.,Ltd.
379,Moo6,Soi8,Nikhomphatana,
Rayong-21180, Thailand. Phone: 0066 38 897035-8 (Off) Fax: 0066 38
897034 Hand Phone: 0066 892512282
Karthik
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| Hi, QW-461.9 is for PERFORMANCE QUALIFICATION — POSITION AND DIAMETER LIMITATIONS. i.e,If a welder Qualifies with the position specified in the Qualification test column,will be qualified for the columns specified in the right side. Now the question raised by Mr.Srinivas is As per ASME Sec.IX,If a WPS qualified with 4G position can be used for 3G welder Qualification or not? For this answer is yes.he can use that WPS for 3G or any position welder qualifications.(with all other essential variables are met) QW461.9 doesn't restrict for WPS qualification.Change in Position is not an Essential Variable for WPS as Per QW252 to 265. |
Thanks & Regards, (Karthik) Karthikeyan.S QA/QC Manager Getabec Energy Co.,Ltd. 379,Moo6,Soi8,Nikhomphatana, Rayong-21180, Thailand. Phone: 0066 38 897035-8 (Off) Fax: 0066 38 897034 Hand Phone: 0066
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manpreet
Feb 2, 2011, 4:47:40 AM2/2/11
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Dear Srinivas,
As per ASME sec ix, QW-461.9, Welder qualified with 4G position, can weld Flat, Horizontal and Overhead position only, Not vertical.
Regards
Manpreet Singh
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As per ASME sec ix, QW-461.9, Welder qualified with 4G position, can weld Flat, Horizontal and Overhead position only, Not vertical.
Regards
Manpreet Singh
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John Henning
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Once again, the enquirer has not provided sufficient information to properly reply.
There is one exception in the ASME IX that will not allow use of the WPS. If impact testing is required, then supplementary essential variable, QW-405.2 would apply and the WPS would not be qualified for the vertical position by a PQR welded in the 4G (overhead) position.
Note that QW-301.2 states in part that, “. . . The performance qualification test shall be welded in accordance with qualified Welding Procedure Specifications . . . except . . . preheat or postweld heat treatment . . . may be omitted. . . .” Thus if the WPS states that welding shall be performed in the overhead (4G) position only, then the WPS will have to be amended to at least include welding in the vertical (3G) position.
Also, a minor comment. The G, F,and S designations {QW-461.3 through QW-461.8} are qualification test position designators. The production welding positions qualified to be stated on the WPS are: flat, horizontal, vertical, overhead, all, or special per QW-461.9. These qualified positions are limited per QW-461.1 or QW-461.2. Those with intimate Section IX knowledge are aware of this distinction and only put the G, F, or S designator on the PQR, and not on the WPS. Their WPS will state Flat (F), Horizontal (H), Vertical (V), overhead (O), all or special (S).
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