Acceptance Criteria For Chemical Contents Inconel 625 Overlay

[budi.wi...@profab-group.com]

Dear Colleague,
We do overlay inconel 625 with single layer strip cladding electroslag welding however the chemical contents on weld deposit taken from 3 mm from fusion line does not comply exactly to the chemical composition of Inconel 625.
I have checked the weld deposit chemical composition data from the strip cladding supplier also does not exactly comply to Inconel 625.
Is anyone can tell me what is the chemical composition acceptance criteria for Inconel 625?
Is it correct the weld deposit chemical contents for inconel 625 overlay should conform to ASTM B424 UNS N08825 instead of Inconel 625? If yes, is there any reference standard I can refer to?
Regards,

Budi Witjaksono

[Vanchinath S.A.]

Dear Mr.Budi,

IN 625 has to meet the requirement as per code to ER Ni CrMo-3.

I do not know what is the chemistry of your strip and what flux is being used for single layer welding by ESSC.

 with extra low carbon strip  and high speed flux meant for ESSC process may give the required analysis.

vanchi

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[pgoswami]

Hi Budi,

 

The weld deposit should meet C.A  requirements of  AWS/ASME SFA 5.14(see below). If I could re-collect from the past experiences, meeting C.A in single pass ESSC could be a problem(see the attachment).Fe dilution is always a problem in the first pass.It would be a good point to discuss the issue with the consumable supplier prior hand and resort to multipasses, if there're severe restrictions on Fe dilution in 625 overlay.

 

See the link for the soudometal product catalogue for SAWSC and ESSSC.The attachment is a page extracted from this document.

 

What is the design code? By any chance does the C.A of the deposit has to conform to API Spec, 5LD??

 

Appreciate your feedback.

 

Thanks.

 

Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE

Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant

Ontario, Canada.

Email-p...@sympatico.ca,

pgos...@quickclic.net

 

1. http://www.btwbr.com.br/images/ingsoudokay.pdf

 

 

Nb

(Cb)

Other

AWS Classification m

UNS Number

C

Mn

Fe

P

S

Si

Cu

Ni d

Co

Al

Ti

Cr

plus Ta

Mo

V

W

Elements, Total

 

 

 

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[sandy]

Dear Budi

Its very difficult to achive the stip chemical chemistry by single
layer cladding due to the dilution of the base metal.
during welding you are forming a cast, which have chemistry like a
casting, then as u said, u have taken the CA 3 mm away from the fusion
line, this will not help you as u required.
You may consult the supplier for a strip electrode, which can produce
a required chemistry as per standard requirement with combination of
flux.

regards
Sandeep Kumar

[rinshad abdul rahman]

Dear Mr.Pradip,

Is anything wrong in accepting more diluted weld deposition with the consideration of application ?  

For example if our weld metal chemistry is meeting the requirement of Inconel 825 (weld overlay with Inconel 625) which satisfy the application condition without any failure.

Is there any test to confirm this ?

Rinshad

[pgoswami]

Hi Rinshad,

 

Alloy 625 and alloy 825 have different chemistries. 625 contains more Nickel (typically 58% min) as compared to 38-46% Ni for alloy 825. 625 welding consumable would always be overmatching for alloy 825.Unless there's any restriction for client or from any design specification, 625 strips may be used for ESSC on 825 clad. You need to clarify this issue with client and then proceed.

 

The beauty with ESSC is that the dilution level is much less,typically 50% of   SAWSC. Hence one may not loose alloying elements through dilution. Typically one may achieve consistent  825 or 625 welding chemistry(depending on the filler metal used) on the entire thickness of the deposit.

 

Matching 825 ESSC strip cladding consumables (strip+flux combinations) are manufactured by some manufacturers.See the attachment from Soudometal and Metrode. While 625products are available universally, because this alloy is very common in any offshore services.

 

My advice would be :-

• Check with the consumable supplier on the availability of 825 welding consumables. This may be less expensive. Check for the reliability of this product to meet all the mechanical and corrosion test results.
• Should meeting the above is difficult with 825 alloy consumables, the next option would be to select alloy 625 products.

Hope this would be of help.

 

Appreciating your feedback.

 

Thanks.

 

Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE

Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant

Ontario, Canada.

Email-p...@sympatico.ca,

pgos...@quickclic.net

 

Alloy-625

 

Alloy-825

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From: rinshad abdul rahman [mailto:rinsh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:51 AM
To: pgoswami
Subject: Re: [MW:13697] Acceptance Criteria For Chemical Contents Inconel 625 Overlay

Dear Mr.Pradeep,

It should specified by Mr.Budi ,i am still in the starting stage in the welding related things, i feel it is good to study the application environment and to develop the testing requirement for the same.If the environment is not too harsh for Ni alloys like sea water and all we can use overlay with inconel 625 even if the Fe dilution is more.                     Is it anything wrong in this ?

  

Budi,Can you please tell us the actual application environment for this inconel weld overlay,so that it might helpful to determine the acceptability of the chemical composition.

Rinshad 

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:56 AM, pgoswami <pgos...@quickclic.net> wrote:

Hi Rinshad,

 

What're  the technical requirements?

 

Appreciate your feedback.

 

Thanks.

 

Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE

Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant

Ontario, Canada.

Email-p...@sympatico.ca,

pgos...@quickclic.net

 

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From: material...@googlegroups.com [mailto:material...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rinshad abdul rahman
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:04 AM
To: material...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [MW:13697] Acceptance Criteria For Chemical Contents Inconel 625 Overlay

Dear Mr.Pradip,

Rinshad

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[Budi Witjaksono]

Dear Mr. Goswami,

 

Sorry for the late respond due to my current assignment.

There is no client specification for this except they only specified inconel 625 overlay 3 mm thickness.

We have done experiments with ESSC using single pass (4.5 mm height)  and the 2 layers (9mm height).

The following is results at the various location.

 

Profab 1st Testing (taken 1.5 mm from the surface) Overlay thickness 4.5 mm	Profab 2nd Testing (taken 0.5 mm below surface) Overlay thickness 4.5 mm	Profab 3rd Testing (take 4mm below surface Overlay thickness 4.5 mm
0.024	0.022	0.016
0.38	0.32	0.27
0.39	0.33	0.46
19.1	19.3	22.4
56.7	58.6	62.3
7.74	7.86	9.45
2.23	2.12	2.46
12.5	10.4	1.53
0.026	0.024	0.014
0.014	0.014	0.015
0.006	0.006	0.006
0.004	0.005	0.005
0.022	0.023	0.025

 

From the above testing we can conclude that impossible to have Inconel 625 with single layer overlay.

The purpose of the Inconel 625 cladding for this project is for bearing seating surface for subsea service.

 

Do you have any reference on welding with ESSC single layer and pass the chemical requirements of Inconel 625?

Please find attached page from ESAB catalogue for strip cladding which specify that they can only comply with Inconel 625 if they do 2 layer of ESSC.

 

Regards,

 

Budi Witjaksono

Project Manager

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From: pgoswami [mailto:pgos...@quickclic.net]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:02 AM
To: 'rinshad abdul rahman'
Cc: Budi Witjaksono; material...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [MW:13697] Acceptance Criteria For Chemical Contents Inconel 625 Overlay

 

Hi Rinshad,

 

Alloy 625 and alloy 825 have different chemistries. 625 contains more Nickel (typically 58% min) as compared to 38-46% Ni for alloy 825. 625 welding consumable would always be overmatching for alloy 825.Unless there's any restriction for client or from any design specification, 625 strips may be used for ESSC on 825 clad. You need to clarify this issue with client and then proceed.

 

The beauty with ESSC is that the dilution level is much less,typically 50% of   SAWSC. Hence one may not loose alloying elements through dilution. Typically one may achieve consistent  825 or 625 welding chemistry(depending on the filler metal used) on the entire thickness of the deposit.

 

Matching 825 ESSC strip cladding consumables (strip+flux combinations) are manufactured by some manufacturers.See the attachment from Soudometal and Metrode. While 625products are available universally, because this alloy is very common in any offshore services.

 

My advice would be :-

• Check with the consumable supplier on the availability of 825 welding consumables. This may be less expensive. Check for the reliability of this product to meet all the mechanical and corrosion test results.
• Should meeting the above is difficult with 825 alloy consumables, the next option would be to select alloy 625 products.

Hope this would be of help.

 

Appreciating your feedback.

 

Thanks.

 

Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE

Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant

Ontario, Canada.

Email-p...@sympatico.ca,

pgos...@quickclic.net

 

Alloy-625

 

Dear Mr.Pradeep,

Thanks and Regards................?

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[Prakash Hegde]

Dear Sir,  I fully agree that Inconel 625 (EQNiCrMo3) we can achieve with two layers and Not with single layer of total weld overlay thickness of 7mm By ESSC process with proper magnetic stirring device adjustment  and we can generally get undiluted chemistry at 5-6mm from base line(Particularly of Fe less than 5%   Regards   Hegde P.B. Fabtech Projects and engrs Pune (India) --- On Wed, 22/2/12, Budi Witjaksono <budi.wi...@profab-group.com> wrote:

[Prakash Hegde]