[MW:4868] Calibration of MPI yoke and validity.

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Nishad AK

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Apr 19, 2010, 4:35:43 AM4/19/10
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Good day,
 
I have a query regarding the calibartion of MPI yoke both Electomagnetic & permanent magnetic type.
Does that should hold a Valid calibration certificate by the Third party calibration body or is that ok it has the manufactures certificate showing the weight lifting capacity and other test results.

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Bathula Raghuram (Mumbai - PIPING)

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In house is acceptable with a written calibration procedure. Permanent magnet type shall be calibrated ( check magnetic power) prior to use on daily base, and electromagnetic type on yearly basis.


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Shashank Vagal

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Apr 19, 2010, 4:52:46 AM4/19/10
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N,
If your weight is certified, traceable to any national standard, recalibration by lifting capacity is usually enough. Additionally, if you have a ferromagnetic plate with artificial flaws at different depths (like in a Keto's ring), it would be more in your favour if you demonstrate to what depth your yoke is good enough.
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Nishad AK

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Apr 19, 2010, 5:07:07 AM4/19/10
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My question is on validity of the MPI instument say for the purpose of project is valid only if that posess a Calibration certificate by a TP agency.or otherwise is acceptable.

Eng/ Mostafa Kamel Hussein

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Apr 19, 2010, 10:39:28 AM4/19/10
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What are the precautions before welding the ductile cast iron in pipe with Ø20?

Is there any NDT can applied after welding?

What is the applicable code for this welding??

 

SASA


SENTHILKUMAR SWAMINATHAN

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Apr 20, 2010, 2:38:49 AM4/20/10
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In my Org we are doing in house calibrationwith written procedure, but lifting block weight is certified by third party.
 
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S.Senthilkumar


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Kale, Bhaskar M

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Apr 20, 2010, 4:09:36 AM4/20/10
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Weighing of calibration block /daily lift check block required to do
with the weigh scale (weight measuring equipment) from the reputed
manufacturer. No calibration certificate of calibration block required
unless any client have the specific requirement. If any one asking to
do the calibration from third party its just wasting of time and
money.
Regards, Bhaskar

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Nishad AK

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Apr 20, 2010, 4:57:17 AM4/20/10
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Dear comrades,
 
IT Would great if anyone could suggest the appropriate ASTM std for the procedure on calibration of the MPI Yoke.

Darcy Morin

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Apr 20, 2010, 10:12:33 AM4/20/10
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For Mahnetic Particle Inspection, the relevant ASTM code is SE-709. Also check ASME V, article 7, T-760.
Darcy Morin


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Apr 21, 2010, 7:18:21 AM4/21/10
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Hi Sasa,

 

Attached are  some guidelines on electrode selection and for welding of cast iron. Cast irons (SG and grey CIs) are weldable to a certain degree, white cast irons are not weldable. The conventional ways are to use Pure Nickel (99% ENi-CI) or Iron Nickel(55% Ni, E-NiFE-CI) electrodes. The later is more suited for welding on rusty, oiled and greased surfaces.

 

Cast iron could be inspected by conventional LPI and MPI  techniques. Often in LPI, the castings would have a tendency to bleed due to entrapment of excessive penetrant, hence proper cleaning of the penetrant are required.

 

ASME Sec VIII, DIV-1(Chapter UCI) is on cast iron pressure vessel. However welding is not greatly encouraged. Cast iron welding techniques are still more repair welding as of now.

 

Thanks.

 

Pradip Goswami,P.Eng

Senior Engineer/Specialist(Welding-Metallurgy)

Email-prad...@opg.com.

 

 

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Arunachalam A

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Apr 23, 2010, 12:45:09 AM4/23/10
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The following is the text of ASME Section V , Article 7 
T-762 Lifting Power of Yokes
(a) Prior to use, the magnetizing power of electromagnetic
yokes shall have been checked within the past year.
The magnetizing power of permanent magnetic yokes shall
be checked daily prior to use. The magnetizing power of
all yokes shall be checked whenever the yoke has been
damaged or repaired.

(b) Each alternating current electromagnetic yoke shall
have a lifting power of at least 10 lb (4.5 kg) at the maximum
pole spacing
that will be used.

(c) Each direct current or permanent magnetic yoke
shall have a lifting power of at least 40 lb (18 kg) at the
maximum pole spacing
that will be used.

(d) Each weight shall be weighed with a scale from a
reputable manufacturer and stenciled with the applicable
nominal weight prior to first use
. A weight need only be
verified again if damaged in a manner that could have
caused potential loss of material.

Hence, No need for a third party certificate for the calibration and it OK if it has the manufactures certificate showing the weight lifting capacity and other test results

arun

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Apr 23, 2010, 3:28:41 AM4/23/10
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The gimmick here is what exactly to take for a "reputable manufacturer" of (weights and) scales and what would be the acceptable scale to weigh and confirm weight. What accuracy is allowed in weighing? The same weight measured by 2 or 3 scales of the same reputed manufacturer can vary. Then what?
As we do, we check the magnetizing power to detect certain depth defects in a mock up; while the stated ASME rulings are observed as a routine guideline.
Even a coil's performance depends a lot on how it is stored, one year is a long enough time when it can deteriorate and won't be as functional as in the beginning.
Just some cautious soundings............

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Kale, Bhaskar M

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Apr 23, 2010, 4:46:57 AM4/23/10
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Hello Mr. Andrew

Here is what I mean from ASME SEC V T-762 Lifting Power of Yokes (MR. Arunachalam A, already provide the exact wording of code what I am trying to say)

So I again repeat no third part calibration certificate required for the weight of calibration only the weight used for calibration must be from reputable manufacture. Unless it is specific requirement from client, seeking the calibration certificate from third party is wasting of money and time.

 (d) Each weight shall be weighed with a scale from a reputable manufacturer and stenciled with the applicable nominal weight prior to first use. A weight need only be verified again if damaged in a manner that could have caused potential loss of material.



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TK, Sathyaprakash

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Jul 3, 2010, 3:29:59 AM7/3/10
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One of our flange vendors have used Sptroscope JR  for performing PMI on SDSS (ASTM A182 F53) flanges.

It is violating two of our requirements

1.       Our purchase requisitions wants vendor to remove any PMI marks before supplying the items to us, vendor did not comply

2.       Our construction specification  allows us only XRF machines for PMI, we did not take this into consideration while approving vendor’s  PMI procedure.

 

Vendor has advised the marks shall only be removed by grinding and their pickling and passivation which was shown as the last stage in the manufacturing ITP was not able to remove the marks.

 

Now that the items are at our site Please advise

1.       If there is any adverse metallurgical effect on the SDSS material because of the sparking on the surface?

2.       We have tried removing the spark marks by touching it by pencil grinder and is getting removed is that advisable?

 

 

Regards,

Sathyaprakash

 


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Declan Foley

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Jul 3, 2010, 2:13:28 PM7/3/10
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Sathyaprakash,

there should be no metallurgical problems with this as the depth of penetration of the spark is very small. It would never have been any use as a met tool if the testing caused metallurgical damage.......I had one of these some years ago and just used a file or some emery paper to remove most of the marks. XRF is definitely a better tool to use as you probably know it leaves no marks. Removing the sparks should not cause you any problems as they are just cosmetic in this instance.

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