TORQUE VALUE

[Mohammad Javeed]

Dear all

Have a nice day

I need your help about one query regarding torque value. We have a one flange joint of dia  36” RF CL. 900 material A350-LF2.and bolt length is 800mm. As per our client requirement this tightening should be done with hydraulic tensioning system. So what should be the torque value for this flange?

 

Thanks

M javed   

[ARI]

Dear Javed, Enclosed the details,

 

Regards,

 

Nom. Fig. Size Ins. (mm)	Bolting No. x Dia. Ins.	Rec. Bolt Stress lb/in2	Torque lbf.ft. (Nm) Bolt Lubricant Molykote 1000 (µ = 0.11)
36                     (900)	20         x          3 ½”      UN8	45,000	15983	(21670)

[Arunachalam A]

may be this is useful

http://www.boltscience.com/

http://www.sealsolutions.com/techinfo/
 

 

What is the Proper Torque to Use on a Given Bolt

by Joe Greenslade

"What torque should I use to tighten my bolts?" is a question suppliers of bolts are frequently asked by end user customers. Many times I have been asked if a chart is published on the recommended tightening torque for various bolt grades and sizes. I do not know of any. This article provides such a chart for "Initial Target Tightening Torque. It See Figure 1. The formula for generating these values is explained below. The widely recognized engineering formula, T= K x D x P (to be explained later in this article), was used to provide the chart's values, but it must be understood that every bolted joint is unique and the optimum tightening torque should be determined for each application by careful experimentation. A properly tightened bolt is one that is stretched such that it acts like a very ridged spring pulling mating surfaces together. The rotation of a bolt (torque) at some point causes it to stretch (tension). Several factors affect how much tension occurs when a given amount of tightening torque is applied. The first factor is the bolt's diameter. It takes more force to tighten a 3/4-10 bolt than to tighten a 318-16 bolt because it is larger in diameter. The second factor is the bolt's grade. It takes more force to stretch an SAE Grade 8 bolt than it does to stretch an SAE Grade 5 bolt because of the greater material strength. The third factor is the coefficient of friction, frequently referred to as the "nut factor." The value of this factor indicates that harder, smoother, and/or slicker bolting surfaces, such as threads and bearing surfaces, require less rotational force (torque) to stretch (tension) a bolt than do softer, rougher, and stickier surfaces. The basic formula T = K x D x P stated earlier takes these factors into account and provides users with a starting point for establishing an initial target tightening torque. • T Target tighten torque (the result of this formula is in inch pounds, dividing by 12 yields foot pounds • K Coefficient of friction (nut factor), always an estimation in this formula • D Bolts nominal diameter in inches • P Bolt's desired tensile load in pounds (generally 75% of yield strength) The reason all applications should be evaluated to determine the optimum tightening torque is that the K factor in this formula is always an estimate. The most commonly used bolting K factors arc 0.20 for plain finished bolts, 0.22 for zinc plated bolts, and 0.10 for waxed or highly lubricated bolts. .

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Tensile Stress Area

SAE Grade 2

SAE Grade 5

SAE Grade 8

Size	TSA	75% Yield Strength (PSI) - 43000			75% Yield Strength (PSI) - 69000			75% Yield Strength (PSI) = 98000
		Plain	Zinc Plated	Waxed	Plain	Zinc Plated	Waxed	Plain	Zinc Plated	Waxed
	Square Inches	A. lb.	Ft.Lb.	Ft.Lb.	Ft.Lb.	Ft.Lb.	Ft.Lb.	Ft.Lb.	Ft.Lb.	Ft.Lb.
114-20.	0.0318	6	6	3	9	10	5	13	14	6
1/4-28.	0.0364	7	7	3	10	12	5	15	16	7
5116-18.	0.0524	12	13	6	19	21	9	27	29	13
5116-24.	0.0580	13	14	6	21	23	10	30	33	15
318-16.	0.0775	21	23	10	33	37	17	47	52	24
318-24.	0.0878	24	26	12	38	42	19	54	59	27
7/16-14.	0.1063	33	37	17	53	59	27	76	83	38
7/16-24.	0.1187	37	41	19	60	66	30	85	93	42
112-13.	0.1419	51	56	25	82	90	41	116	127	58
112-20.	0,1599	57	63	29	92	101	46	131	144	65
9116-12.	0.1820	73	81	37	118	129	59	167	184	84
9116-18.	0.2030	82	90	41	131	144	66	186	205	93
5J8-11.	0.2260	101	111	51	162	179	81	231	254	115
5J8-14.	0.2560	115	126	57	184	202	92	261	287	131
3/4-10.	0.3340	180	197	90	288	317	144	409	450	205
3/4-16.	0.3730	200	221	100	322	354	161	457	503	228

The only way to properly determine the optimum tightening torque for a given application is to simulate the exact application. This should be done with a tension indicating device of some type on the bolt in the application. The bolt is tightened until the desired P (load) is indicated by the tension indicating device. The tightening torque required to achieve the desired tension is the actual tightening torque that should be used for that given application. It is extremely important to realize that this tightening value is valid only so long as all of the aspects of the application remain constant Bolt suppliers sometimes have customers say that their bolts are no good because they have started breaking while being installed. Thorough investigation commonly reveals that the customer has started lubricating the bolts to make assembly easier, but maintained to same torque as was used when the were plain finished The table in this article shows that by using this formula a 1/2-13 Grade 5 plain bolt should be tightened to 82 foot pounds, but the same bolt that is waxed only requires 41 foot pounds to tighten the same tension. A perfect 1/2-13 Grade 5 waxed bolt will break if it is tightened to 81 foot pounds because the K factor is drastically lower. The bolts are fine, but the application changed. Suppliers need to understand this and be able to educate their customers to resolve this common customer complaint about breaking bolts. The chart is provided for quick reference by fastener suppliers and users for selecting an initial target tightening torque. This chart was derived by using the formula shown earlier. An example of the calculation is as follows:

Product: 3/4-10 Grade 5 zinc plated bolt Formula: T= K x D x P   • K= 0.22 (zinc plated) • D= .750 (3/4-10 nominal diameter • P= 23.046 pounds

Hopefully the chart will help suppliers with an initial answer to the customer's question, "What torque should I use to tighten my bolts?" Keep in mind this is only an estimated value. It may provide satisfactory performance, but it also may not. Every application should be evaluated on its own to determine the optimum torque value for each application. Major bolt suppliers should have tension indicating equipment necessary to help their customers determine the appropriate tightening values for their specific applications. Keep in mind that if the lubricant on a bolt and nut combination is changed, the tightening torque value must be altered to achieve the desired amount of bolt tension.

Joe Greenslade is President of Greenslade and Company, Inc. located in Rockford, Illinois. His firm  specializes in providing manufacturing tooling and  inspection equipment to suppliers of screws, bolts, rivets, and nuts throughout the world. Joe is an inventor, author, and lecturer. He holds eleven US Patents. Has written over 80 technical articles for industrial trade journals, and has spoken frequently at trade association meetings and technical conferences on issues related to industrial quality for the past ten years. He is an Associate Member of the Industrial Fastener Institute and a member of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers B1 Thread Specification Committee. In 1992, Joe was recognized for his technical and innovative contributions to the fastener industry when, at age 44, he became the youngest person to be inducted into the National Industrial Fastener Show "Hall of Fame. "

arun

 

On 8/2/09, Mohammad Javeed <mmubash...@gmail.com> wrote:

[tong tong]

Hi Ari

If you don't mind, which code/spec we should refer to get the value. Thank

[Johnson Madukayil]

Or you could use the Torquing formula from John Bickford's book on Bolting.

[Mohammad Javeed]

Dear ARI
thanks for your promptly response and highly appreciated.
Can you please give me the reference of this reply.
Regards,
M Javed 

[ARI]

Hi Tong,

 

Its taken from Shell Expro Engineering Document ES/090 Rev.2, which is being used for last 10 yrs.

 

regards,

 

[Ramprasad Chari]

Bolt dia is 3.502 inch.Area shall be 8.974 Sq.Inches.

Bolt's tensile load in Lbs shall be 424022 Lbs for 50% of SMYS for L7 bolts and same shall be 706703 Lbs if we take 75% of SMYS for L7 bolts.Accordingly the torque can be between 27225 lb.ft(36910 N-m) to 45370 Lb.Ft(61515 N-m) based on formula,Torque=KDP/12 where K=0.22 for Zn plating,D is dia of bolt in inches and P=Bolt load in lbs.

Regards

Aarpee

[Raghuram Bathula]

http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/2009/08/mw2861-re-torque-value.html

there was comment posted on this discussion, pl. check the above link

Jörg said...

Hello Mohammed,

Your query is a "mechanical oxymoron"! If you are being told that bolt tensioners must be used, your torque value question is moot: there is no torque involved when bolt tensioners are used! You might wish to see the link for further details. If you know what the required bolt stress is, you simply multiply that by the area of the bolt tensioner and then by the LoadTransferFactor (determined by the bolt dia and grip length). This will provide you with the bolt tensioner operating pressure - if you'll be tensioning 100% of the flange's bolt population simultaneoulsy. If you'll only be performing 50% tensioning, you'll have to calculate both A and B pressures.

Here's the link: http://www.heviitech.com/Hevii_Tensioner_Intro.html

Best regards,

Jörg

[Tirumala B N Tagore]

Hydraullic tensioning is not measured by Torque. Rather it is controlled by the Pressure applied in teh Hydraullic stud tensioning device.

This pressure is arraived based on the desired stress to be induced in the studs which in turn is based on Design parameters ( pressure, temp, gasket type /dimensions/materials ).

Also the applied pressure may vary from one model to another.

The stud tensioner provides you all the technical stuff . If you need the applied pressure also will be provided by the vendor against their stud tensioner model being used. Please contact stud tensioner suppliers.

Regards,

Tagore

[DANY]

Dear Ari,
Please can you send me the BOLT TORQUE LOADS TABLE you send to Javed?

Regards,
Daniel