use of E 7018 -1 & ER 70S-6 to weld SA 516 GR 70 MATERIAL

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asad azmi

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Mar 17, 2012, 4:23:05 AM3/17/12
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Dear All,
 
Vessel is being fabricated as per ASME SEC VIII DIV 1.
 
Base material - SA 516 GR 70 HIC - 30 mm Thk. IMPACT TEST not required.
 
  
normally  we are using E 7018 for SMAW,  ER 70S2 for GTAW  & F7P8 EH12K  for SAW Process to weld  above base material.
 
Can we use E7018-1 for SMAW,  ER 70 S6   for GTAW  & F7P8 EH12K for SAW for the above base material.
 
Please Advice.
 
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Asad Azmi

muthuvel

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Mar 17, 2012, 4:29:41 AM3/17/12
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Mr.
 
You can use it No problem for that
 
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SK Roy

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Mar 17, 2012, 4:33:05 AM3/17/12
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yes can use
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There is no issue in using the proposed consumables.

 

Only restrict the Manganese content of GTAW wire below 1.6 % to achieve A No. 1 weld metal chemistry.

 

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Zulfan

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Mar 17, 2012, 6:56:56 AM3/17/12
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Hello Asad,

Yes, You can used unless if you have Mechanical properties test concern


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Arunachalam A

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Mar 17, 2012, 12:04:34 PM3/17/12
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ER 70-S6 weld metal chemical analysis does not meet A No. 1.  

If you have qualified a WPS with Er 70-S3 etc, then this wire is not acceptable.  ( Manganese content is more than 1.6% in weld metal)

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Dear Asrad Azmi,
Additional to Mr. Arunachalam's comments
 
F7P8 EH12K (P= with PWHT) / essential variables as per QW404.9
 
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Maulik Thakkar

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Mar 20, 2012, 1:14:30 PM3/20/12
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Dear all,

You can not use ER70S-6 for GTAW welding since it contains higher Si content than ER70S-2. ER70S-6 can be used if your shielding is by CO2 (i.e. in GMAW process). Purpose of addition of si is to flux o2 from weld when co2 is used as shielding.

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Dear all,

You can not use ER70S-6 for GTAW welding since it contains higher Si content than ER70S-2. ER70S-6 can be used if your shielding is by CO2 (i.e. in GMAW process). Purpose of addition of si is to flux o2 from weld when co2 is used as shielding.

manpreet

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Hi Murugam,

One can choose to weld with a electrode classified for PWHT applications, for welding non-PWHT applications, this is not an essential variable, however for SAW process - it's same in this case

Hi Asad,

You can replace E7018 with E7018-1 but not ER70 S2 with ER70 S6 due to change in chemical composition (high Mn content).


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Manpreet Singh




Dear Asrad Azmi,
Additional to Mr. Arunachalam's comments

F7P8 EH12K (P= with PWHT) / essential variables as per QW404.9


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ER 70-S6 weld metal chemical analysis does not meet A No. 1.



If you have qualified a WPS with Er 70-S3 etc, then this wire is not acceptable. ( Manganese content is more than 1.6% in weld metal)


arun


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Dear All,

Vessel is being fabricated as per ASME SEC VIII DIV 1.

Base material - SA 516 GR 70 HIC - 30 mm Thk. IMPACT TEST not required.


normally we are using E 7018 for SMAW, ER 70S2 for GTAW & F7P8 EH12K for SAW Process to weld above base material.

Can we use E7018-1 for SMAW, ER 70 S6 for GTAW & F7P8 EH12K for SAW for the above base material.

Please Advice.

Thanks & Regards

Asad Azmi
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John Henning

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Mar 21, 2012, 1:47:00 PM3/21/12
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Yes you can use ER70S-6.  However, you will have to do a heat lot chemistry to verify that it meets the A1 chemistry limits.  Such material is readily available in US and Europe.  This requirement, “filler metal chemistry must meet A1 chemistry requirements”, should be added into your weld specification as a modifier/comment to the ER70S-6 classification. 

 

Assuming the filler material meets the A1 chemistry and is therefore permitted, in my experience GTAW with ER70S-6 will give very good impact results particularly when PWHT is required (much better than ER70S-2 all other welding parameters the same).  ER70S-6 is particularly useful when impacts are required and higher PWHT is required because Cr-Mo material is in the same fabrication and driving PWHT.  In the latter case ER70S-2 generally fails impacts.  Some of my data shown below:

 

PQR results w/ impact absorbed energy @ -20F (-29C) in ft-lbs

GTAW ER70S-6 (<A1)                                                                      ER70S-2

T=t=1.5 in. (38mm)                                                                           T=t=1.75 in. (44mm)

1150F (621C) PWHT            1250F (677C) PWHT                        1150F (621C) PWHT

                                                                                                                 1/4T            1/2T

            310                                          212                                          74.5                 67

            300                                          212                                          94.0                 38

            296                                          212                                          64.0                 50

 

Enjoy.

 

John A. Henning

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