Repair of Body cracks for A 217 Gr WC6

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Vinod Jotwani

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Jan 1, 2011, 11:27:36 PM1/1/11
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Dear All,

We have noticed multiple crack during the replica check in the control valve body ( Material A 217 Gr WC6 , size 2 " X 2500 RTJ, H2 service) during the fire incident at our Hydrocracker plant. We would like to carry out the repair jobs for the same,

Kindly share your experience and also advise whether advisable or not. Also share the WPS and cautions to be followed if repair performed by anyone in the group.

Vinod


Muni Andy

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Jan 2, 2011, 9:59:11 PM1/2/11
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Dear Vinod,
It can be welded.But you have to dismantle the valve.
Do preheat as per A217,Weld it and then do Post weld heatreatment
at 700 Deg C.Soaking hours as per thickness.
Do the remachining where required because there
may be little distortion.
Do the crack removal by grinding.
Before proceeding grinding,arrest the crack at both ends.
Regards,
C.Muniyandi
Coimbatore
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pgoswami

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Jan 2, 2011, 11:04:02 PM1/2/11
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Hi Vinod,
 
The service is "Hydrocracking  Service",thus there is every possibility of hydrogen charging in the base metal. I would think think in addition to the recommendations given below you nedd to incorporate additional requirements for a safe and sound weld and HAZ. If you follow the guidelines of API-510 and AWS -D-10.10-"Recommended Practices for Local Heating of Welds in Piping and Tubing"  it would  definitely help.
 
Thanks.
 
 
Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE,
Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant
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Marcelo P. Soriano Qa/Qc Eng'r.

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Jan 3, 2011, 3:20:28 AM1/3/11
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dear members,

in my opinion and experience theres bo any code telling that repairing
welding of valve body* (casting) because in casting if you have crack
on it and apply heat it will be larger and more cracks will run
through the body, its better to replace it that than compromise the
safety and property.....


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marcelo soriano
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Muni Andy

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Jan 3, 2011, 4:56:18 AM1/3/11
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Dear Marcelo Soriano,
ASTM A217 permits repair welding.
We can do repair with approved welding Procedure and qualified welder.
Regards,
C.Muniyandi
Surveyor
Coimbatore

Marcelo P. Soriano Qa/Qc Eng'r.

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Jan 3, 2011, 5:38:12 AM1/3/11
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dear C.Muniyandi,

Please considered the type of deffect as said by mister vinod that is
(MULTIPLE CRACK) and also consider the type of service and pressure,
specially the SAFETY and involvement of PROPERTY..

Material A 217 Gr WC6 , size 2 " X 2500 RTJ, H2 service

thanks,
marcelo p soriano
technip qc eng'r
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Vijai Kumar Joshi

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Jan 3, 2011, 5:32:55 AM1/3/11
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Dear  Sir,

 

Please tell the name of electrode to be used.

 

Thanks and regards.

 

VKJ

 

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Marcelo P. Soriano Qa/Qc Eng'r.

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Jan 3, 2011, 5:55:24 AM1/3/11
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Please be practical (MULTIPLE CRACKS)????

1. need pqr, wps and qualified welder.
2. 2500 rating
3. time for the preparation of documents to be use for repair
4. testing

OR

1. Purchase valve and reinstall and back to operation as early than to
repair MULTIPLE CRACKS on VALVE BODY....



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Muni Andy

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Jan 3, 2011, 9:17:56 AM1/3/11
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Dear Mr.Marcelo P. Soriano,
Thanks for your mail.
I understaood the situation.I am not telling to use as it is..
Take more care.Do repair.Pls ensure that the defect is removed.
Then you can use.
Getting new valve will take months.Also will cost more money.
Everyone cannot do the repair and it is not a easy task.but it is possible.
.Some expert guidance required.
C.Muniyandi
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Panomsit Srirunpetch

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Jan 4, 2011, 12:47:56 AM1/4/11
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Suggest to follow ASME FFS-1/API 579-1 for detail assessement...
 
In my personal opinion, there will be high risk to repair valve for the said application...
 
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Panomsit

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Vinod Jotwani

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Jan 4, 2011, 7:14:21 PM1/4/11
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Dear All,

Thanks for the valuable suggestions. Looking to the risk involved and the time period required to carry out the repair we have decided to put in a globe valve to control flow temperorily (as process allows for it) and to procure new valve body.

Thanks again,

Vinod

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pgoswami

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Jan 4, 2011, 10:41:07 PM1/4/11
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Vinod,

I would say that was a wise discussion. Although I had dropped a few lines on safe welding practices as per API -510, later after browsing through API-579(Section-11, Assessment of Fire Damage ), I realized that a lot more things are desired for proper assessment for any fire damage , then only any welding/ refurbishing should be thought of.

It would be a good idea to get some heads up from API-579 on such damages in future . There're are some typical  examples on assessment of fire damages of various plants and equipments in this API/ASME book.

Thanks.


Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.,IWE


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sharafat dhanse

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this type of weld repair procedure is called as stelliteing.

Essential requirements: 1. WPS for same or equivalent grade of material.
                                   2. A good welder qualified for welding especially insitu welding.
                                   3. PQR
For Vinod : i have experienced same issue for one of my repair project on an Marine Boiler Superheater Valve having same material composition of SA 217 WC6.
You can use ECoCr-A welding electrode for welding (SFA - 5.13)
PWHT depending upon thickness.
 
Cheers,
Sharafat Dhanse.
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