WPS base metal qualification range

[Binoy Lonappan]

As per Section IX QW 424 for procedure qualification it is given thatt

for base material range of qualification as P15 E metal to P4 metal is
qualified for any metal from P15E to P4 or P3,P1
But P number is an essential variable so what is the actual
interpretation of the above clause

Or does it means if we qualify procedure for P15E +P4 then it is
qualified for the P15E any metal from this group to any metal from
P4,P3 P1 groups

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[veera raghava kommisetti]

If PQR is P15E+P4, then as per QW 424

It is qualified for

P15 E or P5B to any metal with in P4.

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[Binoy Lonappan]

if we do PQR SA 335 P22+ SA 106 GrB  is it qulaified for SA 335 P22+SA  335 P11 or vice versa

[John Henning]

No.

 

 

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[John Henning]

QW-424 does not say this. For P15E (alloy 91 - a creep strength
enhanced ferritic steel), per QW-424:

Qual coupon - "one metal from P-No. 15E to any metal from any other
P-number" qualifies "Any P-No. 15E or 5B metal to any metal assigned
the second P-number."

I think you are confusing the P-No. 5A to P-No. 4 line with the P15E
line.

Please read QW-424 again.

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P15E and P5B do not couple with other species. They are strange animals
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Do a PQR P22 to P2e if you want to qualify those combinations

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if we do PQR SA 335 P22+ SA 106 GrB  is it qulaified for SA 335 P22+SA  335 P11 or vice versa

On 6 April 2014 12:57, veera raghava kommisetti <kommi...@gmail.com> wrote:

If PQR is P15E+P4, then as per QW 424

It is qualified for

P15 E or P5B to any metal with in P4.

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Binoy Lonappan <bino...@gmail.com> wrote:

As per Section IX QW 424 for procedure qualification it is given thatt

for base material range of qualification as P15 E metal to P4 metal is
qualified for any metal from P15E to P4 or P3,P1
But P number is an essential variable so what is the actual
interpretation of the above clause

Or does it means if we qualify procedure for P15E +P4 then it is
qualified for the P15E any metal from this group to any metal from
P4,P3 P1 groups

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[veera raghava kommisetti]

if we do PQR SA 335 P22+ SA 106 GrB  is it qulaified for SA 335 P22+SA  335 P11 or vice versa

Yes..as QW 424

 

 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM, veera raghava kommisetti <kommi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes...

[Binoy Lonappan]

 kindly interpret the above clause does it means one wps of P5A+P4 qualifies all the group of materials from P4,P3,P1 +P5A

[george....@gr.bureauveritas.com]

Be careful when you are using the term "group" in ASME. Group No is a supplementary essential variable

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[Binoy Lonappan]

Kindly anyone inter pret the code its really confusing as these codes can only be de-code by experts juniors feels its difficult..(as per my previous requirement )

[srinivas]

Hi 

This is Srinivas, 

I got a PQR P5A to P5A , So i can write WPS P5A to P4 from that P5A to P5A PQR ? 

Based on QW 424.1 ? 

[José Juan Jiménez Alejandro]

I do not know if you can write a WPS as you indicate, my subject is that you write a WPS P5A with P5A and that new WPS will be useful for welding the following:

1. P5A with P5A

2. P5A with P4

3. P5A with P3

4. P5A with P1

I saw this in an API 510 course for pressure vessels which is based on ASME IX and ASME VIII Div. 1

What you can not do is with this WPS P5A with P5A, weld a material P4 with P4 or P3 with P3, necessarily one of the two materials has to be P5A and the other equal to or smaller than P5A, this has helped you.

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[George Dilintas]

You have to read QW 403.1 and then QW 424 carefully. Your interpretation is wrong . If your PQR was done using a P15E and a P4, then you can support WPS which are for any P15E to any P4 ONLY

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[José Juan Jiménez Alejandro]

Two materials are mentioned in the original mail P5A and below in that mail mention P15E, I guess there is a confusion here, specifically I refer to the material P5A, THAT WAS THE POINT THAT I EXPOSE.

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Hi 

This is Srinivas, 

I got a PQR P5A to P5A , So i can write WPS P5A to P4 from that P5A to P5A PQR ? 

Based on QW 424.1 ? 

On Sunday, 6 April 2014 12:18:17 UTC+8, Binoy Lonappan wrote:

As per Section IX QW 424 for procedure qualification it is given thatt 

for base material range of qualification as P15 E metal to P4 metal is 
qualified for any metal from P15E to P4 or P3,P1 
But P number is an essential variable so what is the actual 
interpretation of the above clause 

Or does it means if we qualify procedure for P15E +P4 then it is 
qualified for the P15E any metal from this group to any metal from 
P4,P3 P1 groups

Ing. José Juan Jiménez Alejandro

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and Technical Manager SSI-TPI

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Base metal welded                                                                                        Base metal qualified

Any one metal from P5A + Any one metal from P5A                       Any one metal from P5A with any one from P5A, P4, P3,P1

Any one metal from P15E to any one metal from any one Pno         Any one metal from P15E to any one metal from same welded Pno

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[james gerald]

Please see the snap shot of QW 424

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