GMAW change gas from 100 %CO to Ar+5%O2

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EmaD FaRaHanI

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Apr 9, 2021, 8:33:27 AM4/9/21
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Dear all,
I faced a problem with penetration in fillet welds when decide to change the gas type, as mentioned.
Most welders are doing well with this change, but some make loser penetration.
Details: mild steel, 2F welding position, wire feed speed 450ipm (optimized), 10˚ push angle, 

What could be the reason?  

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Ramin Kondori

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Apr 11, 2021, 10:52:15 AM4/11/21
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Why did you change the shielding gas...?


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EmaD FaRaHanI

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Apr 12, 2021, 12:55:49 AM4/12/21
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Thanks Dear Ramin,
Because of lots of fume due to CO2

Ahmed Osman

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Apr 12, 2021, 1:11:24 AM4/12/21
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this gas mix will be axial spray which is more penetration . if u face this issue only with some welders and others is OK , this may related to more welders training is needed . U can cut macro from one good welder and one u r doubted " using same parameters " then compare  

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Kannayeram Gnanapandithan

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Apr 12, 2021, 4:38:02 AM4/12/21
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but u will get better penetration than mixture gas due to burried arc ( Repelled), and same u get more spatter, rough bead etc.

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Ramin Kondori

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Apr 12, 2021, 8:07:14 AM4/12/21
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If the reason for changing the shielding gas has only been the issue of excessive fumes, I recommend you to switch back to CO2.
It's mild steel and unless it is necessary, the CO2 gas will do the trick.
It is not economically feasible to use Argon.

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saeed sarir

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Jul 5, 2021, 6:26:21 AM7/5/21
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Below table can help you
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james gerald

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Jul 5, 2021, 10:15:16 PM7/5/21
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Just to add the characteristics of shielding gases as recommended in ASME Sec.IIC.

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Please check the below table for selection of shielding gases.

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james gerald

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Jul 5, 2021, 10:15:16 PM7/5/21
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Please check the below table for selection of shielding gases.

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J.Gerald Jayakumar




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