Filler welding for A351 Gr CD4 M Cu

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refaz...@gmail.com

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Jan 5, 2012, 4:46:00 AM1/5/12
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Good morning,

I chose type E308 & E 308 L filler welding for A351 Gr CD4 M Cu
material, the choice was made, as per ASME Section II Part C code,

Question: Is it a good choice?

Thanks.

Best regards.
BENADJAL Redouane
Project engineer (SONATRACH Algeria)
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pgoswami

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Jan 5, 2012, 7:54:42 PM1/5/12
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 Hello Benadjal,

Cd4MCu is a cast duplex stainless steel with not so good weldability. Advice would be to use matching filler wire /electrode. Recommendation is to solution anneal the weld after welding, if the weld thickness is large, typically over 1/2", or else weld with very good control over heat input and interpass temperature.

Generally this grade of Duplex S.S ( which is added with Copper) is preferred for corrosion resistance in acid media. What's the media in your case?? . If the service media is such that choice of Cd4MCu is a must then 308/308L filler metal would not match the corrosion requirements.

See the attached articles which explains the pros and cons on welding of this alloy. The second one Q&A  is an extract from AWS-Welding Journal, and explains this alloy in details.

I hope this would be of help to you.

Thanks. 


Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE
Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant
Ontario,Canada.
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A351Cd4MCu.pdf
Stainless Q & A 2004-09-012-CD4MCu pump.pdf

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Jan 19, 2012, 2:39:48 AM1/19/12
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Sir Goswami,

Hello !

Tanks a lot for your last message and I want to add some details on
the subject.

It is a condensate pump which data is:

1) The pressure discharge is 240 bara,

2) The temperature is between 130°C and 140°C,

3) Pump type is multicelulare with 12 stages,

4) Piping materials is A351 CD4MCu; this seems strange to me, because
a pump barred which operates in those conditions is made of stainless
steel.

Thanks in advance,

Regards,
BENADJAL Redouane
Project engineer (SONATRACH Algeria)


On 6 jan, 00:54, "pgoswami" <pgosw...@quickclic.net> wrote:
>  Hello Benadjal,
>
>  A351Cd4MCu.pdf
> 129KAfficherTélécharger
>
>  Stainless Q & A 2004-09-012-CD4MCu pump.pdf
> 54KAfficherTélécharger
>
> Cd4MCu is a cast duplex stainless steel with not so good weldability. Advice
> would be to use matching filler wire /electrode. Recommendation is to
> solution anneal the weld after welding, if the weld thickness is large,
> typically over 1/2", or else weld with very good control over heat input and
> interpass temperature.
>
> Generally this grade of Duplex S.S ( which is added with Copper) is
> preferred for corrosion resistance in acid media. What's the media in your
> case?? . If the service media is such that choice of Cd4MCu is a must then
> 308/308L filler metal would not match the corrosion requirements.
>
> See the attached articles which explains the pros and cons on welding of
> this alloy. The second one Q&A  is an extract from AWS-Welding Journal, and
> explains this alloy in details.
>
> I hope this would be of help to you.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE
> Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant
> Ontario,Canada.
> Email-pgosw...@sympatico.ca,
> pgosw...@quickclic.net
>
>
>
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> Subject: [MW:13415] Filler welding for A351 Gr CD4 M Cu
>
> Good morning,
>
> I chose type E308 & E 308 L filler welding for A351 Gr CD4 M Cu material,
> the choice was made, as per ASME Section II Part C code,
>
> Question:  Is it a good choice?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best regards.
> BENADJAL Redouane
> Project engineer (SONATRACH Algeria)
> E-mail: refazosa...@gmail.com
>
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Jan 22, 2012, 2:50:14 AM1/22/12
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Hello,

Goswami,

Tanks a lot for your message and I want to add somme details on the
subject,

It is a condensate pump which data is:

1) The pressure discharge is 240 bara,

2) The temperature is between 130°C and 140°C,

3) Pump type is Multi-cellular with 12 stages,

4) Piping material is A351 CD4 MCu, this is strange to me, because a
pump barred which operates in those conditions is made of stainless
steel.


My best regards,
BENADJAL Redouane
Project engineer (SONATRACH ALGERIA)


On 19 jan, 07:39, "rbenad...@avl.sonatrach.dz" <refazosa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Sir Goswami,
>
> Hello !
>
> Tanks a lot for your last message and I want to add some details on
> the subject.
>
> It is a condensate pump which data is:
>
> 1) The pressure discharge is 240 bara,
>
> 2) The temperature is between 130°C and 140°C,
>
> 3) Pump type is multicelulare with 12 stages,
>
> 4) Piping materials isA351CD4MCu; this seems strange to me, because
> > Subject: [MW:13415] Filler welding forA351GrCD4M Cu
>
> > Good morning,
>
> > I chose type E308 & E 308 L filler welding forA351GrCD4M Cu material,
> > the choice was made, as per ASME Section II Part C code,
>
> > Question:  Is it a good choice?
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > Best regards.
> > BENADJAL Redouane
> > Project engineer (SONATRACH Algeria)
> > E-mail: refazosa...@gmail.com
>
> > --
> > To post to this group, send email to material...@googlegroups.com
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
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> > For more options, visit this group's bolg athttp://materials-welding.blogspot.com/
> > The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and
> > meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions
> > w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
>
> > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
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