Material certification EN 3.1 OR 3.2 ?

[shaikh ahmed]

Dear Expert,

Please can you advise on below snap shot of Specification asking for EN 3.2 Material certification correct me ?

it calling for EN 3.2 OR 3.1

thanks.

Ahmed

[UMESH K. Bundele]

Dear Shaikh,

4.2 Inspection certificate 3.2 “type 3.2”

Document prepared by both the manufacturer’s authorized inspection representative, independent of the manufacturing department and either the purchaser’s authorized inspection representative or the inspector designated by the official regulations and in which they declare that the products supplied are in compliance with the requirements of the order and in which test results are supplied.

It shall be permissible for the manufacturer to transfer on to the inspection certificate 3.2 relevant test results

obtained by specific inspection on primary or incoming products he uses, provided that the manufacturer operates

traceability procedures and can provide the corresponding inspection documents required.

Hence as per your shot 3.2 certification required.

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Umesh 

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[Perumal Govindan]

Hi

MTC's are normally a 3.1 certificate, however we could not judge with above snapshot, it is a 3.1 or 3.2 certificate.

With Kind Regards

P Govindan 

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[munee...@gmail.com]

Greetings,

Your below clause mandating 3.2.

Differences between EN 10204-3.1 and 3.2 for the MTC

EN 10204 contains 4 types of document type, 2.1, 2.2, 3.1 and 3.2. Type 2.1 and 2.2 are validated by the manufacturer. Type 3.1 and 3.2 are not only validated by manufacturer.
Type 2.1, The content is statement of compliance with the order. Validated by manufacturer.
Type 2.2, Statement of compliance with the order, with indication of results of non specific inspection. Validated by manufacturer.
Type 3.1, Statement of compliance with the order, with indication of results of specific inspection. Authorized inspection representative by the manufacturer, but is independent of the manufacturing department.
Type 3.2, Statement of compliance with the order, with indication of results of specific inspection. Authorized inspection representative by the manufacturer, independent of manufacturing department and either the buyer’s authorized inspection representative or the inspector designated by the official regulations.

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[Perumal Govindan]

Hi Ahmed,

The sentence or the clause or the snapshot might be intended for a ready stock material purchase.
It may be understood or considered as the mill test certificate is a 3.1 certificate and shall be endorsed with a TPIA-Inspector or Source Inspector (for visual, dimensional, chemical and and physical properties are verified as per material specification requirements (ASTM or API 5L spec or etc.) as an additional authentication for acceptance of the ready stock material.

So, the MTC will not be 3.2 certificate and it is 3.1 certificate.

With Regards
P Govindan

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[Manikandan Nagarajan]

Dear Mr.Ahmed,

As per your mail,  please find below difference between EN 10204 - 3.1 & 3.2 certificate.

EN 10204 - 3.1 :

Mill test certificate should be verified / Checked by Manufacture QA/QC Personnel.

EN 10204 - 3.2:  

Mill test certificate should be verified / Checked by Third party Inspector  ( other than Manufacture QA/QC personnel.)

So your snapshot is asking you to provide EN 10204- 3.2 certificate.

Note : EN 10204 pdf attached for your reference.

Thanks & Regards,

Manikandan Nagarajan.

QA/QC - Welding & Painting  Inspector.                    

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On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:27 PM Perumal Govindan <perumal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ahmed,

The sentence or the clause or the snapshot might be intended for a ready stock material purchase.
It may be understood or considered as the mill test certificate is a 3.1 certificate and shall be endorsed with a TPIA-Inspector or Source Inspector (for visual, dimensional, chemical and and physical properties are verified as per material specification requirements (ASTM or API 5L spec or etc.) as an additional authentication for acceptance of the ready stock material.

So, the MTC will not be 3.2 certificate and it is 3.1 certificate.

With Regards
P Govindan

On Dec 24, 2018 1:39 PM, "shaikh ahmed" <ahmed...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Expert,

Please can you advise on below snap shot of Specification asking for EN 3.2 Material certification correct me ?

it calling for EN 3.2 OR 3.1

thanks.

Ahmed

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[Ramesh]

Hi

From your screen shot clause, we can predict it will be Type 3.2 certification only as per EN10204.

Since these activities involved  more Financial matters, These clarifications / confirmations might be obtained from client during bidding or TQ stage itself.

Sometime client may accept 3.1 certificate itself when material is supplied by reputed VENDORs. ( Check the Approved VENDOR list by client )

unless if  it is critical components like reactors, LNG storage tanks, etc.. 

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Rameshkannan Devaraj

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[Mohd Siraj]

EN 3.1

[Vinoth Kumar Pothuvudai]

 Dear shaikh ahmed,

                                     Please refer BS EN 10204 for Types of inspection documents.it will clear your doubt.

[Imran]

Siraj is right,Normally 3.1 for material test certificate.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 13:00:34 +0530 Mohd Siraj wrote

>EN 3.1

On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 1:39:23 PM UTC+3, shaikh ahmed wrote:Dear Expert,
Please can you advise on below snap shot of Specification asking for EN 3.2 Material certification
correct me ?
it calling for EN 3.2 OR 3.1

thanks.Ahmed

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[Rajnish Dixit]

Hi Siraj,

Please be informed that here requirement is for 3.2 certification. Whenever there is requirement of certification by third party it is 3.2. 

Hope, it is clear.

Thanks,
Warm Regards,

Rajnish Dixit

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