ASME sect IX - Welders Performance Qualification

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Zakaria ghrab

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Mar 26, 2012, 1:03:50 PM3/26/12
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Dear Experts,

  I need some confirmation / explain from your part.

I have welders qualified for GTAW process in carbon steel coupon test material, according my understanding for ASME sect IX welders performance qualification, welders is qualified to weld Stainless steel under all essential variable requirement are ok. IT's our case (Same FN°6 filler metal, added backing gas....).

But our client, said that, according ASME sect IX QW-423.1, welders can not be qualified to weld Stainless steel (PN°8) , it's mention that "When a base metal shown in the left column is used for welder qualification, the welder is qualified to weld all combinations of base metals shown in the right column" means as their explain, Welder qualified with carbon steel coupon can weld CS to one of (PN°1 to PN°11) but not PN°X to PN°X, X from 1 to 11.

Can you confirm if i'm right and how to get confirmation from ASME sect IX, means what's the means of "combination" in ASME sect IX QW-423.1).



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John Henning

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Mar 28, 2012, 12:58:47 PM3/28/12
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While your customer is being a bit thick, I think you can show the essence of what the Code means by an old interpretation, IX-83-70.  As noted by HSB this interpretation is more limiting than the current Code but the essence is that for a given filler metal, i.e. F-number, the welder can be qualified by alternative base metals.  In the case of the interpretation the filler metal is SMAW and desired result is to weld nickel based base metals.  The Code Case clearly states that welding P1 to P1 with the appropriate filler metal qualifies welding P4X.  One could also look at Interpretations IX-86-51 and IX-89-15.

 

Status Description: QW-423.1 has expanded the range of qualified production base metals beyond those listed in the Question. (2010 Edition)

Interpretation:

IX-83-70

Subject:

Section IX, QW-310.5(c)

Date Issued:

June 27, 1983

File Number:

BC83-270

Related Documents:


Question: A manufacturer has qualified WPS for welding P-Nos. 41 through 45 with the SMAW process using the appropriate filler metals. May a welder be qualified using the SMAW process for welding P-Nos. 41 through 45 by welding a test coupon of these P-Numbers or combinations thereof, or P-No. 1 welded to itself or to any of the above P-Numbers using the filler metal of the qualified WPS?


Reply: Yes.


The above interpretation was transcribed by HSB Code Services from the official publications [ASME published volumes, National Board, Eurodyne]. Although every effort was made to accurately reproduce this interpretation, use of this information should be for research only. It is strongly recommended that the official published document be used for Code business.

 

Beyond that QW-423.1 reads (in part)  “. . . When a base metal shown in the left column is used for welder qualification, the welder is qualified to weld all combinations of base metals shown in the right column . . .”.  Last I checked, all means ALL.  All would include  any combination of the listed base metals welded to themselves.

 

Good luck.  Customers with only a little knowledge can be a giant pain in the derrière.

 

John A. Henning

Welding & Materials

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Karthik

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Mar 28, 2012, 11:08:59 PM3/28/12
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Hi,
QW 423.1 says clearly that "ALL COMBINATION OF BASE METALS"
It means If you qualified with P.No.1 then the welder qualified to weld all combination of base metals of P- or S-No. 1 through P- or S- No. 11, P- or S-No. 34,and P- or S-No. 41 through P- or S-No. 49.
ALL Combination means either P1 to P1 or P1 to other P numbers as specified.
So he can weld P1 to P1 as well as P1 to P8 etc.,and as specified in the right column of QW423.1.
When a base metal
shown in the left column is used for welder qualification,
the welder is qualified to weld all combinations of base
metals shown in the right column, including unassigned
metals of similar chemical composition to these metals.
 
Thanks & Regards,

(Karthik)

Karthikeyan.S
QA/QC Manager
German-Thai Boiler Engineering Cooperation Limited.
Rayong Factory ;
379 Moo.6 Soi 8, Tambol Pananikom,
Nikompattana, Rayong 21180 THAILAND
Tel : +66 38 897 035-9 Ext. 137
Fax : +66 38 897 034
Hand Phone: 0066 892512282


From: Zakaria ghrab <zakari...@gmail.com>
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Subject: [MW:13997] ASME sect IX - Welders Performance Qualification

arvinda shan

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Mar 29, 2012, 12:00:38 AM3/29/12
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Dear Mr.Zakaria,
 
You are absolutely ok.
 
Once welder is qualified on GTAW procees , he can weld both SS and CS materials in same process. If welder goes for SMAW  needs to qualify in SMAW process since changing F number.
 
Arvinda

Karthik

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Oct 5, 2014, 11:04:16 PM10/5/14
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Hi,
Yes.But please check the F number he has qualified .
 
Thanks & Regards,

(Karthik)

Karthikeyan.S
QA/QC Manager
German-Thai Boiler Engineering Cooperation Limited.
Rayong Factory ;
379 Moo.6 Soi 8, Tambol Pananikom,
Nikompattana, Rayong 21180 THAILAND
Tel : +66 38 897 035-9 Ext. 137
Hand Phone: 0066 892512282


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:41 AM, pras ari <alhani...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Karthik,

We have welder qualified with test coupon P no.4 to P no.4 for new project, Is required qualification for base metal P no.1 to P no.1?
The welder have experience weld P no.1 to P no.1 on previous project?

Thanks & Regards
Winarko
Welding Inspector
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