WPS with multiple PQR

Ahmed Husain

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Jun 23, 2013, 12:00:08 PM6/23/13

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Dear All,

Followings are brief details of five PQRs.

PQR No. Process Base metal B.M. Thick B.M. RANGE PWHT Impact

#1 SMAW P1Gr3 to P1Gr3 0.24 Thk 1.6 -12 N/A

#2 SMAW P1GR3-P1GR2 0.24 Thk 1.6 -12 N/A YES (-51 F)

#3 SMAW P1Gr3 to P1Gr3 1.5 THK 16 - 200 1150/10 HRS YES (-51 F)

#4 SMAW P1GR3-P1GR2 1.5 THK 16 - 200 1150/08 HRS ES (-60 F)

#5 SMAW P1Gr3 to P1Gr3 1.75 THK 16 - 200 N/A YES (-51 F)

Based on above PQRs,

1. Is it acceptable to prepare a single WPS with two welding condition ( with and without PWHT), with notes stating thickness limits for both conditions.

2. If yes, what would be thickness range for welding with & without PWHT.

3. With reference to ASME IX- QW-200.4 Combination of Welding Procedures,: If a company has two WPS, one in GTAW process and second in SMAW process, is it acceptable to apply individually both WPS on single joint? Or new WPS will be required combing both WPS?

Your valuable feedback will be highly appreciated.

Regards,

A.Husain

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veera raghava kommisetti

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Jun 23, 2013, 2:02:22 PM6/23/13

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Q1 - No

Q2- N/a

Q3- You need write new WPS by combining existing WPS (No new PQR required)

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Samehamin

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Jun 24, 2013, 2:15:05 AM6/24/13

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dear ,

for third point it is ok to use two WPS in the same joint with maintain the thickness range but need to write a WPS with referance to the two PQR

Q1 & Q2 cant be as PWHT is essential variable

joseph mbé

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Jun 24, 2013, 4:06:32 AM6/24/13

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see my answer here below in red

Joseph Faustin Mbe

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De : Ahmed Husain <ahm...@yahoo.com>
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Envoyé le : Dimanche 23 juin 2013 17h00
Objet : [MW:18005] WPS with multiple PQR

Dear All,

Followings are brief details of five PQRs.

PQR No. Process Base metal B.M. Thick B.M. RANGE PWHT Impact

#1 SMAW P1Gr3 to P1Gr3 0.24 Thk 1.6 -12 N/A

#2 SMAW P1GR3-P1GR2 0.24 Thk 1.6 -12 N/A YES (-51 F)

#3 SMAW P1Gr3 to P1Gr3 1.5 THK 16 - 200 1150/10 HRS YES (-51 F)

#4 SMAW P1GR3-P1GR2 1.5 THK 16 - 200 1150/08 HRS ES (-60 F)

#5 SMAW P1Gr3 to P1Gr3 1.75 THK 16 - 200 N/A YES (-51 F)

Based on above PQRs,

1. Is it acceptable to prepare a single WPS with two welding condition ( with and without PWHT), with notes stating thickness limits for both conditions. (why not 2 different wps )

2. If yes, what would be thickness range for welding with & without PWHT. (PWHT is an EV so, not possible for my knowledge)

3. With reference to ASME IX- QW-200.4 Combination of Welding Procedures,: If a company has two WPS, one in GTAW process and second in SMAW process, is it acceptable to apply individually both WPS on single joint? Or new WPS will be required combing both WPS? (Are you talking about 02 PQR or 2 WPS? if 02 PQR, Yes it's possible to use the combination of 02 PQR qualified separately but, in the limite of tickness range for each process).

Your valuable feedback will be highly appreciated.

Regards,

A.Husain

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Ahmed Husain

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Jun 25, 2013, 12:18:01 PM6/25/13

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It means, It is not correct to prepare a WPS supported my multiple PQR, with two condition, i.e. with PWHT and without PWHT. Also, instead of using two WPS on one joint, a new WPS is required to be prepared combining both WPS.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards,

A, Husain

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Subject: Re: [MW:18018] WPS with multiple PQR

see my answer here below in red

Joseph Faustin Mbe

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John Henning

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Jun 25, 2013, 4:40:21 PM6/25/13

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It certainly is permissible to write a properly supported WPS with multiple conditions. However, one starts to get into a booking keeping nightmare if one is not very, very careful. You must provide clear instructions on the applicability so you don’t get into deep trouble due to misapplication.

John A. Henning

Welding & Materials

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