Request for Guidance on PQR Update

[pankaj pachahara]

Dear Experts,

We have a qualified PQR (P1 to P8) that doesn't include hardness testing. We're submitting this PQR for a new project, but the client requires hardness testing. To address this, we plan to:

1. Create a new PQR following the same parameters as the original PQR.
2. Conduct hardness testing and add the results to the new PQR.

We're unsure about the best approach to incorporate the hardness test results into our existing PQR documentation. We have two options:

Option 1- Add the hardness values to the original PQR as Addendum-1.
Option 2- Create a new PQR that includes all the previous data and name it as a Supplementary PQR.

Could you please guide us on the best approach to take?

Best regards

Pankaj Choudhary

[sridhar cn]

You can make a new, “Supplementary PQR” as it is safer and cleaner from a compliance and transparency 

standpoint. You prepare a new PQR document with all the welding parameters repeated from the original PQR,

plus the new hardness test results.

            

You can add a note referencing the original PQR number (i.e., “This PQR was performed under the same welding

conditions as PQR-001 (provide actual details) to incorporate the hardness testing per client requirements”).

C Sridhar.

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[pankaj pachahara]

Dear Sir,

 I have one doubt 

For the WPS submission

I have to Attach the new Supplementary PQR and old PQR together with the new WPS. 

In supplementary PQR format we can just add new hardness testing values rest other testing values are already in old PQR or we need to write in new supplementary PQR format also.

And we can attach old welding parameters sheet along with new supplementary PQR and in PQR format instead of PWPS no we can write Old PQR no which we are referring to.

Best Regards

Pankaj Choudhary 

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[Prashant Rane]

Hi Pankaj

Your

1. OLD PQR will be unchanged (say PQR1), which has all the variables and necessary tests completed and qualified with WPS 1

2. Supplementary PQR will have all the variables within the range of PQR1/WPS1, and the test carried out will be Hardness (as this is the requirement). Basis of welding this PQR will be WPS1

3. Revise WPS1 to add Supplementary PQR in addition to PQR1

Regards,

 

Prashant P Rane

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[james gerald]

Just to add,

Supplementary  PQR will always be a part of PQR package containing the Original PQR Number with the supplementary indicator when you submit your WPS for Approval. It also includes the As-run sheet & the Hardness test Results. Instead of using a Proposed WPS, you can use the original Approved WPS to weld(depends on Client).

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar

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[sridhar cn]

You need to write in the new supplementary PQR format as the hardness testing date is current.

Since the old PQR results (other than hardness values- as per the standard) are the same, it is not necessary 

to enclose the old PQR. But, if your client insists, please act to satisfy him.

C Sridhar.

[Kannayeram Gnanapandithan]

is there any ref in code, pl share it

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[Ch Bilal jovinda]

Dear sir,

   As it is client requirement, and every client has its own specifications. In Aramco SAES-W-010 para 7.5.2 is asking to weld a coupon to comply all essential requirements of the PQR and conduct only hardness testing. But you have better experience and your observation will be beneficial.

Best Regards,

BILAL CHAUHADRY

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[sridhar cn]

Please refer to ASME sec IX - QW-200.2 & QW-401.1.

While ASME IX does not explicitly use the term “supplementary PQR”, industry practice is to weld a new coupon 

with the same WPS variables, which is issued as a new PQR; i.e., one cannot add hardness test results to the original 

PQR, because that would not represent the same coupon. You must weld a new coupon and issue a new PQR with 

hardness results, and cross-reference the original PQR if traceability is required.

C Sridhar.

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