BS EN 287-1 WPS vs. ASME IX WPS
ken waterhouse
Just started a new job as welding supervisor. Aside from lots and lots
of other crap that is wrong with the way the company is doing things
at the moment, they have such a scattered array of WPS's in both ASME
IX and BS EN 287-1 that it is almost impossible to collate and use all
the information.
Our biggest client (national electricity supplier) is shifting to an
entirely BS EN 287-1 controlled system, from a mix of ASME and BS EN,
which means that we as a subcontractor of theirs must do the same.
I'm busy working through the WPS's available to me so far and trying
to relate them to one another, to see where we need to formulate
completely new WPS's and where we can trans-code them to their
equivalents. Also just to get the list of all of them in one place.
What I'm hoping is that someone out there has done something similar
to this before and how you approached it.
If it helps at all, our BSEN WPS #'s look like this S B 3 03. 8 (20) S
(SMAW, Butt, material 3, Sequence number 03, filler 8, Preheat 20
deg., Stress relieving)
and our ASME IX ones are as follows M B x 1. 8 (20) S (SMAW, Butt,
Symbol [on drawing], material group 1, filler group 8, 20deg. preheat
and stress relieving)
Any help would be appreciated,
Cheers,
Ken
alireza samimi
hi dear
according to your explanation i think you do not know exactly any information aboutBS EN
I would like to inform you BS EN 287-1 is not usefull for WPS AND PQR .and oly use for welder qualification.
according to EN standard you should see EN 288-1,2,3,4 for WPS and PQR and according to ISO you must see ISO 15609 for wps and ISO 5614 for PQR
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Pieper QSI
Hello everyone,
The mentioned EN 288-1, 2, 3 and 4 are withdrawn and replaced by EN ISO 15609 up to EN ISO 15614 which are similar to the mentioned ISO versions.
Please be aware that there is a new version of the EN 287-1 valid since July 2011 in which the validity range is changed compared to the previous addition.
For example: fillet welds are no longer qualified when performing a welder qualification on butt welds.
All qualifications should met the requirements of the latest edition regarding the validity range.
Met vriendelijke groeten / Best Regards
Herman Pieper
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ken waterhouse
Thanks for the replies.
Thank you for pointing out that the EN 288 is used for WPS as apposed
to the EN 287. I never thought about that and I'm glad you brought it
to my attention.
However, the WPS's that we have, (ASME IX) still need to be matched to
a list of BS EN /ISO WPS's if you see what I mean. So that we can
start printing the new WPS numbers on drawings and following them in
shop, to satisfy the customer. I know it would be possible to re-
qualify all of the same variables under the new code, but it would
save a lot of time to be able to just find the equivalent by means of
cross referencing between the two codes and their range of approvals.
Please let me know if this makes more sense.
I'm not sure it's the best way to do it, but the boss has asked...
Thanks again for the help.
Ken
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days or a month a wps/pqr validity. and please tell me the page no of
asme section 9 where it is mentioned
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Pieper QSI
You only can qualify your ASME section IX qualifications if they also met
the requirements of the EN ISO specifications. In my opinion this will never
be the case because you have to execute all the Non Destructive and
Destructive test on your original qualification as well. This means that you
have to execute Radiographic examination according to ASME as well as to EN
specifications, similar counts for tensile tests. The specimens are not
similar so we always have to test two sets of specimens, one according to
ASME and on according to EN ISO.
When you have to build pressure vessels according to the European pressure
directive you also need a notified body to witness welding and testing, for
ASME this is not a requirement.
So in my opinion you will need to qualify new test plates / pipes.
Met vriendelijke groeten / Best Regards
Herman Pieper
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parameter is changed, welder qualification according to EN is valid for 2
years when prolongation is done by companies own welding coordinator every
half year based on results from the production. Every two year the notified
body, which has issued the original certificate, should control the
prolongation results and if OK extend the validity period for the next two
years.
In my opinion the requirements for ASME are almost similar but without the
interference of a notified body.
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Herman Pieper
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Vijay....@akersolutions.com
In the process of making a WPS confirming to BS Code from ASME IX or vice versa, I would suggest you to start with the Gap Analysis of these two standards.
You already have the Essential, Non Essential and Supplementary Essential Parameter listed in respective sections for both the codes. On the basis of each parameter you need to note the constrains, through carefully understanding the limits in each of the code.
This process will take time but considering you have to follow the Gap Analysis chart for all your future project with the client, this would help you in save the time in long run as well as furnish you with some in-depth concept of the two codes.
Regards
Vijay
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for the replies.
Ken
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