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Should I take her back?
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The mother of my children gave me 30 day notice and left me the day after
Christmas, after 15 years. BD went on and lived with another man, claiming to be
a genuine Christian and continued in Christian fellowship. BD and her roommate
mate didn't last. BD went back to Georgia and married another man, claiming to
be a genuine Christian in fellowship with other Christians. After 15 year BD
left her Georgia man six years ago and returned to my city.
>>>Should I take BD back maritally if she wants to?
>>>Am I still maritally bound by God to keep the marital covenant I made with BD
in the 1970s?
>>>Am I still maritally bound to BD as long as we both live?
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING?
Another scenario: Abner went ahead and divorced Daisy for her adultery and
married Safronia. Daisy went on and married Pluto, but then after a few months
realized she was living in adultery, realizing that she was maritally bound to
Abner by the Word of God as long as they both live.
Should Abner take Daisy back as wife, who became genuinely sorrowful in with
godly repentance? Read on and see what you think.
What should Abner do now about Safronia and Daisy? Ask me and let's talk about
it.
Please understand that I am trying to learn what God's Word says about a
genuinely saved wife who seeks to return to, be reunited and reconciled with,
the husband-A from whom she was maritally separated. She has realized that it
was adultery for her to marry husband-B, to come to belong to husband-B, after
being married to her husband-A, and she seeks in godly sorrow to repent, forsake
her adultery, and be restored to an unhindered and wholesome relationship with
Jesus and her husband-A.
Background: The wife and husband-A were both genuinely saved by faith in Jesus
and free to marry in the Lord according to the Scriptures.
Please share your thoughts with me at
MarriageDivorceRem...@yahoogroups.com;
GIVEN -
***Deut 24:3 . . . if the latter husband die, who took her to be his wife; 4
her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife,
after that she is defiled<H2930 +, .LXXG3392> [by sexual intercouse with her
second husband] . . for that is abomination{LXXG0946 + H8441+Leviticus 18:22}
before Jehovah: . and you shall not cause the land to sin.
***Jeremiah 3:1God says, "If a husband divorces his wife
And she goes from him
And belongs to another man,
Will he still return to her?
Will not that land be completely polluted{H2610+LXXG}? . . ."
{H2610} ãnej; — chaneph, khaw-nafe'; to soil, especially
in a moral sense: — corrupt, defile, X greatly, pollute, profane.
{LXXG3392} miainom¢enh mianq¢hsetai; to sully or
taint, i.e. contaminate (ceremonial or morally): — defile.
***Acts 15:22Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole
church, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch . . : 23
and they wrote thus by them, The apostles and the elders, brethren, unto the
brethren who are of the Gentiles . . ., greeting: . . . 28 For it seemed good
to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these
necessary things: 29 that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from
blood, and from things strangled, and from sexual immorality; from which if ye
keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare well.
***1Cor 7: 10 I command the married —not I, but the Lord—a [believing] wife is
not to leave, depart or separate from [Strong's 5563] her [believing] husband.
11 But if she does leave, depart, and/or separate [Strong's 5563], she must
remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband—and a [believing] husband/man
should not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away and/or divorce [Strongs
863] his wife/woman. . . 39 A [believing] wife is bound to her [believing]
husband by [God's] Law as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free
to be married to anyone she wants—only in the Lord.
***Rom 7:1 Or are you all ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the
law), that the Law has dominion over a man for so long time as he lives? 2 For
the woman that has a husband is bound by Law to the husband while he
lives; but if the husband die, she is discharged from the law of the
husband. 3 So then if, while the husband lives, she be joined to another
man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if the husband die, she is free
from the Law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be joined to another
man. FROM ASB
GIVEN THAT - It is understood that by Acts 15:22-29; 21; Galatians, Ephesians 2
and Colossians 2 the Gentile-nonJew believers are not required by Jesus-Jehovah
to obey the Laws given to Israel on Sinai through Moses. The issue being that
the DEFINITIONS of "fornication" and/or "sexual immorality" are carried over to
the Gentile believers by the Word in Acts 15:29 and 21:25. Definitions show us
which sins are to be avoided, abstained from. So now the Leviticus 18 and 20
Laws governing sexual immorality become for Gentiles-nonJews definitions and
principles, that do not require Gentiles to kill them (Lev 18:29;20:10-18) as
the Law requires, but the statements of Law become definitions of behavior that
should be avoided to avoid God's judgment.
SINCE - Deut 24:4 and Jeremiah 3:1 are not statements of Laws to be obeyed but
are statements of principle based on the Word's definitions of
"abomination{LXXG0946 + H8441}" and "polluted{H2610}".
These words, abomination and polluted, are used to describe the act of a wife
being maritally reunited with her husband-A after she was married to husband-B
while living under the Sinai Law. These are not "Law" words that describe
behavior from which one is required by the Law to abstain. These are "morality"
words that describe behavior that is unacceptable to Jesus-Jehovah, behavior
that is sexually immoral and from which believing Gentiles-nonJews are
instructed to abstain.
THEREFORE: I believe it appears to indicate that the wife should not reunite in
marital sexual union with her husband-A, the wife who was maritally separated
from husband-A, who went on in her life to marry husband-B (come to belong to
husband-B by covenant), and then in godly sorrow and repentance, sought to
forsake her adultery and be restored to unhindered fellowship with Jesus and His
people. I believe that the wife and husband-A are still bound by the marital
covenants(Malachi 2; Psalm 15; Rom 1), and that like David did (2 Samuel
16:21-23;20:2-4), the husband should continue to provide her with food,
clothing, shelter, protection and etc (Exodus 21:10).
I still do not understand why Deut 25 indicates that it is okay to marry a widow
but in Deut 24:1-4 husband-A should not marry his former wife after her
husband-B dies, making her a widow.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING? Please share your
thoughts with me at
MarriageDivorceRem...@yahoogroups.com
I'm still plagued with the question, "Where is the 'go back' word or example of
a wife reuniting with her husband after marrying or having sexual relations with
some other man, to whom she maritally bound by the Word of God as long as they
both live?" I can't find a clear and specific Scripture other than Deut 24; Jer
3:1; 1 Cor 7:10,11,39; Romans 7:2,3. It seems that the believing sister who was
separated/divorced from her husband and who married someone other than her own
husband is NOT allowed by God to remarry the husband from whom she was
separated/divorced. This seems to be contrary to the principles of 1 Cor 5; 2 Cor 7 and 2 where we
see the genuinely repentant saint, who had been snared in sin, restored to,
reconciled with and reunited with the "Church."
David took Michal back as wife after Saul had taken her away from David and
forced her to marry another (2 Samuel 3:12-16). David's example with his wives
who were raped by Absalom indicates the "no go back" principle because after
Absalom raped his wives/concubines, David was not intimate with them anymore but
continued to provide for them as his wives (2 Samuel 16:21-23;20:2-4;Exodus
21:10,11). This would reflect the principle that the believer is still bound by
his marital covenants to provide for his wife, covenants made with his
"believing but snared" wife, even though she sins and gets snared sexually,
involved with some other man in adultery, and therefore should not resume
marital relations with her former husband.
Rahab's example seems to indicate that the 1 Cor 7:15 principle applied then
because even though she had been a prostitute, after she became a believer she
married into Christ's ancestry (Mat 1).
???Therefore does - - - -
***1Cor 7: 10 I command the married —not I, but the Lord—a [believing] wife is
not to leave, depart or separate from [Strong's 5563] her [believing] husband.
11 But if she does leave, depart, and/or separate [Strong's 5563], she must
remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband—and a [believing] husband/man
should not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away and/or divorce [Strongs
863] his wife/woman. . . . 39 A [believing] wife is bound to her [believing]
husband by [God's] Law as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free
to be married to anyone she wants—only in the Lord.
- - - - BECOME
a [believing] wife is not to leave, depart or separate from her [believing]
husband. But if she does leave, depart, separate &/or divorce, she must remain
unmarried in repentance especially if she had sexual relations/marriage with
another man= or be reconciled to her husband [if she didn't marry or have sex
with another man — and a [believing] husband/man should not forsake, lay aside,
leave, put (send) away and/or divorce his wife/woman; and he may marry another
wife , especially if he divorced his wife for her adultery. . . . A believing
wife is bound to her husband by God's Law as long as he lives. But if her
husband dies, she is free to be married to anyone she wants—only in the Lord.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING? Please share your
thoughts with me at
MarriageDivorceRem...@yahoogroups.com
I understand that all this may mean
Naharya is not to leave, depart or separate from her [believing] husband Ramlo.
But if she does leave, depart, separate &/or divorce Ramlo, she must remain
unmarried [in repentance especially if she had sexual relations/marriage with
another man]= or be reconciled to Ramlo [if she didn't marry or have sex with
another man]—and Ramlo should not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away
and/or divorce Naharya; and he may marry another wife [especially if he sinned^
by divorcing Naharya for adultery]. . . . {Believing] Naharya is bound to her
[believing] Ramlo by [God's] Law as long as he lives. But if her Ramlo dies, she
is free to be married to anyone she wants—only [someone] in the Lord.
^Matt 19:6; 1 Cor 7:11b = The husband is never commanded in Scripture to divorce
his wife, even if she falls in adultery. On the other hand the Scriptures
command the husband to never forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away, divorce
&/or separate himself from his wife. The command is
***Matt 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has
joined together, MANKIND MUST NOT SEPARATE. . .
***1 Cor 7:11b a [believing] husband/man should not forsake, lay aside, leave,
put (send) away and/or divorce his wife/woman.
He must not break his marital covenants with his wife (Malachi 2; Psalm 15;
Romans 1:31,32
He must not break his marital covenants with his wife- - -
***Nu 30:2 If a man vows a vow to the LORD, or swears an oath
to bind his soul with a bond, HE SHALL NOT BREAK HIS WORD. He
shall do according to all that comes out of his mouth.
***Psalm 15:1 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who
shall dwell in thy holy hill? 2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh
righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart. . . . [HE THAT]
SWEARETH [PROMISES, CONTRACTS] TO [HIS OWN] HURT
[LOSS, DISADVANTAGE], AND CHANGETH NOT [KEEPS HIS
WORD/PROMISE]. . . .
***Malachi 2:13 . . . the Lord does not regard your offering any more or accept
it with favor at your hand. 14Yet you say, Why? Because the LORD has been
witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have left and
dealt treacherously<H898+LXXG1459> . Yet she is your companion and the wife of
your COVENANT<H1285+LXXG1242>. 15And did not God make [you and your wife] one
[flesh]? Did not One make you and preserve your spirit alive? And why [did God
make you two into] one? Because He sought a godly offspring [from your union].
Therefore take heed to yourselves, and let no one deal treacherously with<S898>
and desert<LXXG1459> the wife of his youth. 16For the Lord, the God of Israel,
says: I hate divorce and marital separation and him who covers his garment [his
wife] with violence. Therefore keep a watch upon your spirit [that it may be
controlled by My Spirit], that you deal not treacherously leave<H898+LXXG1459>.
17 You have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet you say, In what way have we
wearied Him? [You do it when by your actions] you say, Everyone who does evil is
good in the sight of the Lord and He delights in them. Or [by asking], Where is
the God of justice?
<H898> figuratively, to act covertly; — deal deceitfully (treacherously,
unfaithfully), offend, transgress
<LXXG1459> ejgkatalei>pw, — eng-kat-al-i'-po; from (1722) (ejn) and (2641)
(katalei>pw); to leave behind in some place, i.e. (in a good
sense) let remain over, or (in a bad one) to desert: — forsake,
leave.
<LXXG1242) diaqh>kh, — dee-ath-ay'-kay; properly a disposition, i.e. (special)
a contract : — covenant, testament.
<H1285> a compact (because made by passing between pieces
of flesh): — confederacy, covenant, league.
***Rom 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, . . They are .
. . 31 foolish, undiscerning, faithless, untrustworthy COVENANT-BREAKERS<G802>,
heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God's decree and just sentence that
those who commit, purpose, perform and work such things deserve to die, they not
only do them but give approval to and applaud those who commit, purpose, perform
and work them. [ESV, HCSB,STRONG'S and THAYER'S<LEXICON>, YLT]
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING? Please share your
thoughts with me at
MarriageDivorceRem...@yahoogroups.com
This really shows the double standard in the Bible for men and women.
[1] Neither the husband nor the wife should separate from each other (Mat 19:6; 1 Corinth 7:11b),
BUT
[2] the wife should submit herself to her husband and his (Romans 13; 1 Cor
11:1-10) authority over her, refraining from bossing, teaching or dominating
her husband (1 Tim 2); has permission to the second best option of separating
herself from her husband but she must either remain unmarried or be reconciled
to her husband (1 Cor 7:10,11);
[3] husband/man should not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away and/or
divorce [Strongs 863] his wife/woman
[4] The wife is bound to her husband as long as both live and becomes an adulteress if she
becomes the wife of another as long as her husband lives - one living husband at a time;
[5] The husband has permission to divorce his wife for adultery and marry
another.
[6] The following Scriptures imply that it is not adultery if a man keeps his wife and marries another, as in Exodus 21:7-11.
***MATT 19:9 And I tell you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another [woman], commits adultery." ABSGNT+NASB+ESV+CJB+HCSB
***Mark 10:11 And He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her." CJB+ESV+HCSB
***Lk 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, . . . ESV, CJB, HCSB
[7] Husbands and wives are bound before God to keep the marital covenants they made to
each other, covenants that were witnessed by Jesus. Hopefully the couple obeyed James 4:15 when they made their marital covenants, saying "If the Lord wills, we will live and do" all that was covenanted. Forgiveness does not release one from having to keep marital vows, covenants and/or promises. Forgiveness is obtained when the sin of breaking the marital vows, covenants and/or promises is forsaken and in repentance the marital vows, covenants and/or promises are being kept and observed, if humanly possible.
***Prov 28:13Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy. ESV
***James 4: 15 Instead, you should say, "If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that." 16 But as it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. 17 So, for the person who knows to do good and doesn't do it, it is a sin. . . . 5:12 Now above all, my brothers, do not swear<3660>, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. Your "yes" must be "yes," and your "no" must be "no," so that you won't fall under judgment.
STRONG'S <3660> swear, promise, affirm with an oath.
The oath is that which ensures consequences if the swearing, promises, covenants, vows or affirmations are broken. An oath is making the swearings, promises, covenants, vows or affirmations while witnessed by God and/or people, who will impose consequences if they are broken.
David took Michal back as wife after Saul had taken her away from David and
forced her to marry another (2 Samuel 3:12-16). David's example with his wives
who were raped by Absalom indicates the "no go back" principle because after
Absalom raped his wives/concubines, David was not intimate with them anymore but
continued to provide for them as his wives (2 Samuel 16:21-23;20:2-4;Exodus
21:10,11). This would reflect the principle that the believer is still bound by
his marital covenants to provide for his wife, covenants made with his
"believing but snared" wife, even though she sins and gets snared sexually,
involved with some other man in adultery, and therefore should not resume
marital relations with her former husband. David's marital covenants required him
to continue to provide for them.
Background: When the wife and husband-A married they were both genuinely saved
in Jesus and free to marry according to the Scriptures.
Mystery: The wife and husband-A become maritally separated/divorced contrary to
Matt 19:6 and 1 Cor 7:10,11. I still do not understand what the ex-wife of
husband-A is supposed to do if she comes under the 1 Cor 7:1,2,9 command to
marry (to avoid sex sin) after husband-B has divorced her or died and it is an
"abomination" before God for her to maritally reunite with husband-A. Apparently
she cannot be maritally reconciled to husband-A even though she is maritally
bound to him as long as both live.
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Having been made in Jehovah-God's likeness, we shouldn't think that the divine nature is like gold or silver or stone, or an image fashioned by human art and imagination. Therefore, having overlooked the times of our ignorance, Jehovah-Jesus now commands all people everywhere to turn to Jehovah-God from their sin, because He has set a day on which He is going to judge all people in righteousness by the Man, Jesus Christ, that He has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Jesus Christ's body from the dead never to die again. Everyone who keeps on believing in and relying on Jesus Christ has eternal life. For Jehovah-God so compassionately loved all people that He gave His only Son, born of woman, so that whoever continues to believe in and rely on Him alone for salvation shall not perish but shall have eternal life. For Jehovah-God did not send his Son into the world to condemn people, but to save people through Him. Whoever is believing in and relying on Him alone for salvation is not condemned, but anyone who does not keep on relying on Him stands condemned already because of failing to believe and trust in the nature and character of Jehovah-God's only Son, born of woman.
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Yet another #3 Tyler Question Seeking Answers -
By L. Tyler - COPYRIGHT © 03/15/11
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47832647/Racism-Interracial-Marriage-Bible
http://biblicalmaturity.yuku.com/forums/66
All rights reserved.This file,
in its entirety, may be posted on or copied off of computer networks like
Internet or WWW by anyone so inclined as long as it is not changed.
The mother of my children gave me 30 day notice and left me the day after
Christmas, after 15 years. BD went on and lived with another man, claiming to be
a genuine Christian and continued in Christian fellowship. BD and her roommate
mate didn't last. BD went back to Georgia and married another man, claiming to
be a genuine Christian in fellowship with other Christians. After 15 year BD
left her Georgia man six years ago and returned to my city.
>>>Should I take BD back maritally if she wants to?
>>>Am I still maritally bound by God to keep the marital covenant I made with BD
in the 1970s?
>>>Am I still maritally bound to BD as long as we both live?
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING?
Another scenario: Abner went ahead and divorced Daisy for her adultery and
married Safronia. Daisy went on and married Pluto, but then after a few months
realized she was living in adultery, realizing that she was maritally bound to
Abner by the Word of God as long as they both live.
Should Abner take Daisy back as wife, who became genuinely sorrowful in with
godly repentance? Read on and see what you think.
What should Abner do now about Safronia and Daisy? Ask me and let's talk about
it.
Please understand that I am trying to learn what God's Word says about a
genuinely saved wife who seeks to return to, be reunited and reconciled with,
the husband-A from whom she was maritally separated. She has realized that it
was adultery for her to marry husband-B, to come to belong to husband-B, after
being married to her husband-A, and she seeks in godly sorrow to repent, forsake
her adultery, and be restored to an unhindered and wholesome relationship with
Jesus and her husband-A.
Background: The wife and husband-A were both genuinely saved by faith in Jesus
and free to marry in the Lord according to the Scriptures.
Please share your thoughts with me at
MarriageDivorceRem...@yahoogroups.com;
GIVEN -
***Deut 24:3 . . . if the latter husband die, who took her to be his wife; 4
her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife,
after that she is defiled<H2930 +, .LXXG3392> [by sexual intercouse with her
second husband] . . for that is abomination{LXXG0946 + H8441+Leviticus 18:22}
before Jehovah: . and you shall not cause the land to sin.
***Jeremiah 3:1God says, "If a husband divorces his wife
And she goes from him
And belongs to another man,
Will he still return to her?
Will not that land be completely polluted{H2610+LXXG}? . . ."
{H2610} ãnej; — chaneph, khaw-nafe'; to soil, especially
in a moral sense: — corrupt, defile, X greatly, pollute, profane.
{LXXG3392} miainom¢enh mianq¢hsetai; to sully or
taint, i.e. contaminate (ceremonial or morally): — defile.
***Acts 15:22Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole
church, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch . . : 23
and they wrote thus by them, The apostles and the elders, brethren, unto the
brethren who are of the Gentiles . . ., greeting: . . . 28 For it seemed good
to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these
necessary things: 29 that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from
blood, and from things strangled, and from sexual immorality; from which if ye
keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare well.
***1Cor 7: 10 I command the married —not I, but the Lord—a [believing] wife is
not to leave, depart or separate from [Strong's 5563] her [believing] husband.
11 But if she does leave, depart, and/or separate [Strong's 5563], she must
remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband—and a [believing] husband/man
should not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away and/or divorce [Strongs
863] his wife/woman. . . 39 A [believing] wife is bound to her [believing]
husband by [God's] Law as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free
to be married to anyone she wants—only in the Lord.
***Rom 7:1 Or are you all ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the
law), that the Law has dominion over a man for so long time as he lives? 2 For
the woman that has a husband is bound by Law to the husband while he
lives; but if the husband die, she is discharged from the law of the
husband. 3 So then if, while the husband lives, she be joined to another
man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if the husband die, she is free
from the Law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be joined to another
man. FROM ASB
GIVEN THAT - It is understood that by Acts 15:22-29; 21; Galatians, Ephesians 2
and Colossians 2 the Gentile-nonJew believers are not required by Jesus-Jehovah
to obey the Laws given to Israel on Sinai through Moses. The issue being that
the DEFINITIONS of "fornication" and/or "sexual immorality" are carried over to
the Gentile believers by the Word in Acts 15:29 and 21:25. Definitions show us
which sins are to be avoided, abstained from. So now the Leviticus 18 and 20
Laws governing sexual immorality become for Gentiles-nonJews definitions and
principles, that do not require Gentiles to kill them (Lev 18:29;20:10-18) as
the Law requires, but the statements of Law become definitions of behavior that
should be avoided to avoid God's judgment.
SINCE - Deut 24:4 and Jeremiah 3:1 are not statements of Laws to be obeyed but
are statements of principle based on the Word's definitions of
"abomination{LXXG0946 + H8441}" and "polluted{H2610}".
These words, abomination and polluted, are used to describe the act of a wife
being maritally reunited with her husband-A after she was married to husband-B
while living under the Sinai Law. These are not "Law" words that describe
behavior from which one is required by the Law to abstain. These are "morality"
words that describe behavior that is unacceptable to Jesus-Jehovah, behavior
that is sexually immoral and from which believing Gentiles-nonJews are
instructed to abstain.
THEREFORE: I believe it appears to indicate that the wife should not reunite in
marital sexual union with her husband-A, the wife who was maritally separated
from husband-A, who went on in her life to marry husband-B (come to belong to
husband-B by covenant), and then in godly sorrow and repentance, sought to
forsake her adultery and be restored to unhindered fellowship with Jesus and His
people. I believe that the wife and husband-A are still bound by the marital
covenants(Malachi 2; Psalm 15; Rom 1), and that like David did (2 Samuel
16:21-23;20:2-4), the husband should continue to provide her with food,
clothing, shelter, protection and etc (Exodus 21:10).
I still do not understand why Deut 25 indicates that it is okay to marry a widow
but in Deut 24:1-4 husband-A should not marry his former wife after her
husband-B dies, making her a widow.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING? Please share your
thoughts with me at
MarriageDivorceRem...@yahoogroups.com
I'm still plagued with the question, "Where is the 'go back' word or example of
a wife reuniting with her husband after marrying or having sexual relations with
some other man, to whom she maritally bound by the Word of God as long as they
both live?" I can't find a clear and specific Scripture other than Deut 24; Jer
3:1; 1 Cor 7:10,11,39; Romans 7:2,3. It seems that the believing sister who was
separated/divorced from her husband and who married someone other than her own
husband is NOT allowed by God to remarry the husband from whom she was
separated/divorced. This seems to be contrary to the principles of 1 Cor 5; 2 Cor 7 and 2 where we
see the genuinely repentant saint, who had been snared in sin, restored to,
reconciled with and reunited with the "Church."
David took Michal back as wife after Saul had taken her away from David and
forced her to marry another (2 Samuel 3:12-16). David's example with his wives
who were raped by Absalom indicates the "no go back" principle because after
Absalom raped his wives/concubines, David was not intimate with them anymore but
continued to provide for them as his wives (2 Samuel 16:21-23;20:2-4;Exodus
21:10,11). This would reflect the principle that the believer is still bound by
his marital covenants to provide for his wife, covenants made with his
"believing but snared" wife, even though she sins and gets snared sexually,
involved with some other man in adultery, and therefore should not resume
marital relations with her former husband.
Rahab's example seems to indicate that the 1 Cor 7:15 principle applied then
because even though she had been a prostitute, after she became a believer she
married into Christ's ancestry (Mat 1).
???Therefore does - - - -
***1Cor 7: 10 I command the married —not I, but the Lord—a [believing] wife is
not to leave, depart or separate from [Strong's 5563] her [believing] husband.
11 But if she does leave, depart, and/or separate [Strong's 5563], she must
remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband—and a [believing] husband/man
should not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away and/or divorce [Strongs
863] his wife/woman. . . . 39 A [believing] wife is bound to her [believing]
husband by [God's] Law as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free
to be married to anyone she wants—only in the Lord.
- - - - BECOME
a [believing] wife is not to leave, depart or separate from her [believing]
husband. But if she does leave, depart, separate &/or divorce, she must remain
unmarried in repentance especially if she had sexual relations/marriage with
another man= or be reconciled to her husband [if she didn't marry or have sex
with another man — and a [believing] husband/man should not forsake, lay aside,
leave, put (send) away and/or divorce his wife/woman; and he may marry another
wife , especially if he divorced his wife for her adultery. . . . A believing
wife is bound to her husband by God's Law as long as he lives. But if her
husband dies, she is free to be married to anyone she wants—only in the Lord.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING? Please share your
thoughts with me at
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I understand that all this may mean
Naharya is not to leave, depart or separate from her [believing] husband Ramlo.
But if she does leave, depart, separate &/or divorce Ramlo, she must remain
unmarried [in repentance especially if she had sexual relations/marriage with
another man]= or be reconciled to Ramlo [if she didn't marry or have sex with
another man]—and Ramlo should not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away
and/or divorce Naharya; and he may marry another wife [especially if he sinned^
by divorcing Naharya for adultery]. . . . {Believing] Naharya is bound to her
[believing] Ramlo by [God's] Law as long as he lives. But if her Ramlo dies, she
is free to be married to anyone she wants—only [someone] in the Lord.
^Matt 19:6; 1 Cor 7:11b = The husband is never commanded in Scripture to divorce
his wife, even if she falls in adultery. On the other hand the Scriptures
command the husband to never forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away, divorce
&/or separate himself from his wife. The command is
***Matt 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has
joined together, MANKIND MUST NOT SEPARATE. . .
***1 Cor 7:11b a [believing] husband/man should not forsake, lay aside, leave,
put (send) away and/or divorce his wife/woman.
He must not break his marital covenants with his wife (Malachi 2; Psalm 15;
Romans 1:31,32
He must not break his marital covenants with his wife- - -
***Nu 30:2 If a man vows a vow to the LORD, or swears an oath
to bind his soul with a bond, HE SHALL NOT BREAK HIS WORD. He
shall do according to all that comes out of his mouth.
***Psalm 15:1 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who
shall dwell in thy holy hill? 2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh
righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart. . . . [HE THAT]
SWEARETH [PROMISES, CONTRACTS] TO [HIS OWN] HURT
[LOSS, DISADVANTAGE], AND CHANGETH NOT [KEEPS HIS
WORD/PROMISE]. . . .
***Malachi 2:13 . . . the Lord does not regard your offering any more or accept
it with favor at your hand. 14Yet you say, Why? Because the LORD has been
witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have left and
dealt treacherously<H898+LXXG1459> . Yet she is your companion and the wife of
your COVENANT<H1285+LXXG1242>. 15And did not God make [you and your wife] one
[flesh]? Did not One make you and preserve your spirit alive? And why [did God
make you two into] one? Because He sought a godly offspring [from your union].
Therefore take heed to yourselves, and let no one deal treacherously with<S898>
and desert<LXXG1459> the wife of his youth. 16For the Lord, the God of Israel,
says: I hate divorce and marital separation and him who covers his garment [his
wife] with violence. Therefore keep a watch upon your spirit [that it may be
controlled by My Spirit], that you deal not treacherously leave<H898+LXXG1459>.
17 You have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet you say, In what way have we
wearied Him? [You do it when by your actions] you say, Everyone who does evil is
good in the sight of the Lord and He delights in them. Or [by asking], Where is
the God of justice?
<H898> figuratively, to act covertly; — deal deceitfully (treacherously,
unfaithfully), offend, transgress
<LXXG1459> ejgkatalei>pw, — eng-kat-al-i'-po; from (1722) (ejn) and (2641)
(katalei>pw); to leave behind in some place, i.e. (in a good
sense) let remain over, or (in a bad one) to desert: — forsake,
leave.
<LXXG1242) diaqh>kh, — dee-ath-ay'-kay; properly a disposition, i.e. (special)
a contract : — covenant, testament.
<H1285> a compact (because made by passing between pieces
of flesh): — confederacy, covenant, league.
***Rom 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, . . They are .
. . 31 foolish, undiscerning, faithless, untrustworthy COVENANT-BREAKERS<G802>,
heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God's decree and just sentence that
those who commit, purpose, perform and work such things deserve to die, they not
only do them but give approval to and applaud those who commit, purpose, perform
and work them. [ESV, HCSB,STRONG'S and THAYER'S<LEXICON>, YLT]
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This really shows the double standard in the Bible for men and women.
[1] Neither the husband nor the wife should separate from each other (Mat 19:6; 1 Corinth 7:11b),
BUT
[2] the wife should submit herself to her husband and his (Romans 13; 1 Cor
11:1-10) authority over her, refraining from bossing, teaching or dominating
her husband (1 Tim 2); has permission to the second best option of separating
herself from her husband but she must either remain unmarried or be reconciled
to her husband (1 Cor 7:10,11);
[3] husband/man should not forsake, lay aside, leave, put (send) away and/or
divorce [Strongs 863] his wife/woman
[4] The wife is bound to her husband as long as both live and becomes an adulteress if she
becomes the wife of another as long as her husband lives - one living husband at a time;
[5] The husband has permission to divorce his wife for adultery and marry
another.
[6] The following Scriptures imply that it is not adultery if a man keeps his wife and marries another, as in Exodus 21:7-11.
***MATT 19:9 And I tell you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another [woman], commits adultery." ABSGNT+NASB+ESV+CJB+HCSB
***Mark 10:11 And He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her." CJB+ESV+HCSB
***Lk 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, . . . ESV, CJB, HCSB
[7] Husbands and wives are bound before God to keep the marital covenants they made to
each other, covenants that were witnessed by Jesus. Hopefully the couple obeyed James 4:15 when they made their marital covenants, saying "If the Lord wills, we will live and do" all that was covenanted. Forgiveness does not release one from having to keep marital vows, covenants and/or promises. Forgiveness is obtained when the sin of breaking the marital vows, covenants and/or promises is forsaken and in repentance the marital vows, covenants and/or promises are being kept and observed, if humanly possible.
***Prov 28:13Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy. ESV
***James 4: 15 Instead, you should say, "If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that." 16 But as it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. 17 So, for the person who knows to do good and doesn't do it, it is a sin. . . . 5:12 Now above all, my brothers, do not swear<3660>, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. Your "yes" must be "yes," and your "no" must be "no," so that you won't fall under judgment.
STRONG'S <3660> swear, promise, affirm with an oath.
The oath is that which ensures consequences if the swearing, promises, covenants, vows or affirmations are broken. An oath is making the swearings, promises, covenants, vows or affirmations while witnessed by God and/or people, who will impose consequences if they are broken.
David took Michal back as wife after Saul had taken her away from David and
forced her to marry another (2 Samuel 3:12-16). David's example with his wives
who were raped by Absalom indicates the "no go back" principle because after
Absalom raped his wives/concubines, David was not intimate with them anymore but
continued to provide for them as his wives (2 Samuel 16:21-23;20:2-4;Exodus
21:10,11). This would reflect the principle that the believer is still bound by
his marital covenants to provide for his wife, covenants made with his
"believing but snared" wife, even though she sins and gets snared sexually,
involved with some other man in adultery, and therefore should not resume
marital relations with her former husband. David's marital covenants required him
to continue to provide for them.
Background: When the wife and husband-A married they were both genuinely saved
in Jesus and free to marry according to the Scriptures.
Mystery: The wife and husband-A become maritally separated/divorced contrary to
Matt 19:6 and 1 Cor 7:10,11. I still do not understand what the ex-wife of
husband-A is supposed to do if she comes under the 1 Cor 7:1,2,9 command to
marry (to avoid sex sin) after husband-B has divorced her or died and it is an
"abomination" before God for her to maritally reunite with husband-A. Apparently
she cannot be maritally reconciled to husband-A even though she is maritally
bound to him as long as both live.
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