Adding RHD Official Road Names Properly

[Arman Khossain]

Dear all,

It has come to our notice that several mappers, including DLs, have started to add RHD official road names to many important existing roads. While we appreciate the effort, there will be complications should they continue their mapping in that particular way. What we observed is that many of such mappers have started to replace the recognized name of a road by its official RHD name (which is not always as recognized). What they do is they delete an existing recognized name of a road and replace it by the official RHD name. We would like to take this opportunity to convey a message and tell you a little more about the problems faced when doing so as well as to show you the proper way to add these names. Examples have been demonstrated below.

Example: Let us take the instance of Tongi - Kaliganj Highway in Gazipur. Let us assume the road has been renamed to "Tongi - Kaliganj - Gorashal - Pachdona Road", which is the official RHD naming of Tongi - Kaliganj Highway and the previous name removed.

Problem: When a POI or any feature will be added nearby adjacent to the road, this large official road name will be present in Street name in its address section. As an example of such listing, let us take for this instance the Dutch Bangla Bank Limited in Gazipur Sadar. Since this feature will be imported to Maps and Google+ Local, this long road name will be displayed in its address. Again, I doubt any of us are going to type "Dutch Bangla Bank Limited at Tongi - Kaliganj - Gorashal - Pachdona Road in Gazipur" when searching for this particular POI on Google Maps, mostly because RHD official names are not known by most people. Likewise, when this large address name will be displayed on the POI's Local+ listing, it just wouldn't be appropriate.

Resolution: The resolution is pretty simple. Per definition of Map Maker, only the most commonly used name should be used as Primary names (flagged Primary), be it official or not. For example,  the longest bridge in Bangladesh is commonly known as 'Jamuna Bridge' (have a look at the name flags) though its official name is a long one and very different from the common name.

In the light of the first example above, we should use "Tongi - Kaliganj Highway" as Primary name, and "Tongi - Kaliganj - Gorashal - Pachdona Road" as Official (secondary) name flagging it Official and Obscure on Map Maker.

If any of you consider otherwise, please let us know. Happy mapping

[Khurshid Sihab]

চমৎকার টপিক। আমি আমার কিছু মতামত প্রকাশ করছি।

গাজীপুর থেকে টাঙ্গাইলে যে হাইওয়ে রোড গিয়েছে। সেখানে লোকাল এবং সকলেই জানে সেটা জয়দেবপুর-টাঙ্গাইল মহাসড়ক। প্রত্যেক দোকান এবং প্রতিষ্ঠানের ভাউচার এবং অন্যান্য কাগজ পত্রেও এই ঠিকানাই লেখা হয়। যেমনঃ সিহাব মিষ্টান্ন ভান্ডার, জয়দেবপুর-টাঙ্গাইল রোড, গাজীপুর-চৌরাস্তা। 

সকলেই এই ধরনের ঠিকানায় ব্যবহার করে এবং তাই সবাই জানে। এখন যদি আপনি গাজীপুরে এসে আমাকে বলেন, ভাই জয়দেবপুর-টাঙ্গাইল- জামালপুর রোডে সিহাব মিষ্টান্ন ভান্ডারটা কোথায়। আমার উত্তর কি আশা করতে পারেন ?

হয় আমি আপনাকে পাগল বলবো। নয়তো নিজের মাথা খারপ হয়ে গেছে মনে করবো।

এছাড়াও ম্যাপিং এর মূল উদ্ধেশ্য সাধারণ জনগণের সহজে স্থান চেনানো। এখানে অফিসিয়াল নেম ইউজ করে বিভ্রান্তি সৃষ্টি করা ম্যাপিং এর উদ্দেশ্য হতে পারে কি ?

আরেকটা উদাহরণ দিচ্ছি............. গাজীপুর চৌরাস্তা থেকে জয়দেপুরের দিকে যে রোড গেছে তাকে সবাই জয়দেবপুর রোড নামে চেনে। প্রত্যেক প্রতিষ্ঠানের সাইন বোর্ডে তাইই লেখা। 

এখানে এসে জয়দেবপুর-টাঙ্গাইল- জামালপুর রোড বললে কেমন হবে ?

[Arman Khossain]

Dear Br. Shihab,

Thank you for your prompt feedback. You are correct in your way of thinking, if you come across such instances, please make necessary corrections as described in the post and post the links to our Review Request spreadsheet should your edit require moderation.

[Masud Rana (Shohagh)]

Dear Br. Arman,

Thanks for this information and from my observation you are right. But few matter it's make complex and will you explain for below example.

Road name : Jessore - Chuadanga Road but this road start from kaligong  and from kaligong to Chuadanga  there are  -kotchadpur- jibannagor-darsana-damurhuda  exist.
people know as Jessore - Chuadanga Road where they also know as there local term, i already given example in below.

Then what should we do ? should we break this name like below this or

kaligong - kotchadpur Road  as primary then offical name will put in offical segment.

again  kotchadpur - jibannagor Road  as primary then offical name will put in offical segment.

jibannagor-darsana  Road  as primary then offical name will put in offical segment.

 local people use the short segment name in opposite other city people use the long name.

Thanks/Shohagh

[Arman Khossain]

Dear Br. Shohagh,

Thank you for your query. A road should have one most commonly recognized name, which you should use as its primary name.

Here is what I understand from your information:

1. Kaliganj - Kotchadpur Road

2. Kotchadpur - Jibannagar Road

3. Jibannagar - Darsana Road

All Roads 1 - 3 are parts of the longer route called "Jessore - Chuadanga Road". The instance you are referring to is very common, when a long road is also segmentally known by other different names. In such a case, I recommend to do the following:

First, fix the hierarchical (parent) feature. Edit the main route "Jessore - Chuadanga Road" to fix necessary name flags (fix primary names, and official/obscure names). From the information you have provided, the main route should have "Jessore - Chuadanga Road" flagged primary. If there is an official RHD name for the route, you can also add it as instructed in the first post.

Next, for the segment (daughter) roads:

• Use the "Select Road Segments" tool to create new roads within this existing route. Since these segments have recognition locally, we should add them to the map in my opinion.
• Select the road segments that should be named Kaliganj - Kotchadpur Road.
• After selecting "Edit Road Names", please leave all other existing routes unchanged (you will also see that there is a "Jessore - Chuadanga Road" route there).
• Add a new route in the name field below (just one name) e.g. Kaliganj - Kotchadpur Road (English: Primary) and save your edit. This will create a new route. Do the same other roads per your wish.

If you wish to add a Bengali name for this new road (Kaliganj - Kotchadpur Road), do not use the "Select Road Segments" tool. Instead:

• Click Edit > Select a line
• Choose the road you want to edit (Kaliganj - Kotchadpur Road) 
• Edit entire Kaliganj - Kotchadpur Road [not 'edit this segment']
• Click on "Add New Names" and add corresponding Bengali names.

P.S: You do not need to add "Jessore - Chuadanga Road" or any other official names in any of the new (daughter) segments. For the new roads, just adding the relevant local name should be enough.

[Md. Abdur Rahman]

Dear Br. Arman,

The example you have mentioned here is modified by me. RHD department has put a signboard named "Tongi - Kaliganj - Gorashal - Pachdona Road" as it is its official name before entering to this road. If we use "Tongi - Kaligonj Hwy" people will be little bit confused watching the signboard as well as the map. You have mentioned that addressing of any feature will face a problem, then why should the official name to be given as primary and official and "Tongi - Kaligonj Hwy" as Obscure name where the mapper will get drop down list to select the short form of the road for better addressing ?? I can give you an example that some people still now know "Zia International Airport" but the official name is now "Shahjalal International Airport" thats why we cant use "Zia International Airport" !!


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Regards,
Md. Abdur Rahman (Rana)

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[Md. Abdur Rahman]

Dear Br. Arman,

Expecting a reply from you.....

[Arman Khossain]

Dear Br. Rana,

Thank you for your query.

Primary names are mostly based on local knowledge, since we are developing the map of Bangladesh together, we should choose the name that will be instantly recognized by the people/users.

As I have mentioned earlier, only the most commonly recognized names among local people should be used as primary names, independent of whether they are official or not. If you live in Gazipur and if you think Tongi - Kaliganj - Gorashal - Pachdona Road is the name that particular road is recognized by the majority of people in the locality in contrast to Tongi - Kaliganj Highway, you can flag the first name as a primary name. This is where your local knowledge comes into play.

I also like the other resolution you proposed - selecting an appropriate road name from the drop-down menu in address section. By default, the primary name should automatically be set in the address section of any adjacent POI, so any existing or a new POI will bear the primary name of the adjacent road, unless set otherwise. Many mappers do not change the street name in address section. However as you may already know, if it (the default calculated road name) isn't the official address of the POI, we should change the address accordingly. It is not that we prefer shorter names on Map Maker, but most POIs have their own official address too. If you have local knowledge, you can better tell the official address of that specific DBBL ATM. Again, the official addresses of DBBL ATM's can be found on their website.

Hope I answered your queries. Please do report back if you have any other questions of if there is anything you want to discuss about the subject.

[Md. Abdur Rahman]

Dear Br. Arman,

Thanks for your reply, I live in Gazipur since 1986. You are saying most commonly recognized names among local people, for your information nobody uses the "Tongi - Kaliganj Hwy" somebody knows it as Kaliganj Road and somebody knows as Ghorashal Road some might be know as "Tongi - Kaliganj Road" so how you will calculate the Majority ? Another thing is that for this contradictory name RHD has put a signboard mentioning "Tongi - Kaliganj - Gorashal - Pachdona Road" (I will attach the picture if you want) before entering to this road for better navigation. So what is the use of this Signboard ? Another point is that R301 does not ended in Kaliganj.

Another thing is that for new POI added by new mapper can be modified by the DL of the specific area or anyone else. On the DBBL website all of the ATM or Branch does not mentioned the name of the Road.

For example i have attached below address of (Tongi, Gazipur)

1	Tongi Industrial Area ATM	94/95 (Old), 46 (New), Tongi Industrial Area,Tongi, Gazipur (Should be Dhaka-Mymensing Hwy)
2	Pagar, Tongi Unit - 2 ATM	Zaber & Zubair Fabrics Ltd. Pagra, Tongi, Gazipur (Should be Tongi-Kaliganj Hwy as you said)
3	Station Road, Tongi Unit - 1 ATM	6 - Station Road, Natun Bazar, Tongi, Gazipur (Should be Tongi-Kaliganj Hwy as you said)
4	Station Road, Tongi Unit - 2 ATM	6 - Station Road, Natun Bazar, Tongi, Gazipur (Should be Tongi-Kaliganj Hwy as you said)
5	Station Road, Tongi Unit - 3 ATM	6 - Station Road, Natun Bazar, Tongi, Gazipur (Should be Tongi-Kaliganj Hwy as you said)
6	Tongi Branch - 2 ATM	Razzak Plaza, 8/2, Anarkoli Road, Tongi Bazar, Tongi, Gazipur.
7	College Gate, Tongi Unit-2 ATM	9, Pilot School Market, College Gate, Tongi, Gazipur (Should be Dhaka-Mymensing Hwy)
8	Tongi Branch	Razzak Plaza, 8/2, Anarkoli Road, Tongi Bazar, Tongi, Gazipur
9	Pagar, Tongi ATM	Zaber & Zubair Fabrics Ltd. Pagra, Tongi, Gazipur (Should be Tongi-Kaliganj Hwy as you said)
10	Bata, Tongi ATM	Bata Shoe Company (Bangladesh) Ltd, Tongi, Gazipur (Should be Dhaka-Mymensing Hwy)
11	Tongi Main Road FT- 5 ATM	House # 12, Dhaka - Mymensingh Road, Tongi, Gazipur

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Regards,
Md. Abdur Rahman (Rana)

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[Arman Khossain]

Dear Br. Rana,

First of all, if nobody in Gazipur refers to that road as "Tongi - Kaliganj Highway", then why is it on the map? Let us correct that asap from your local knowledge and replace it by something that is most commonly known! 

I understand your point, I have had this experience with countless roads too, but isn't there at least just one name that the majority of people will recognize, so that we can use it as a primary name? If not, I guess the only way to proceed with this particular feature, is to use an Official flag (without Obscure flag) with the Official name Tongi - Kaliganj - Gorashal - Pachdona Road and add all other different local names flagging them obscure only. There is no way of calculating the popularity of the name of a road, the only way to determine that is through local knowledge - by observing how the people refer to a particular road and also observe how the nearby POIs are addressed in relation to that road, officially and unofficially (e.g. POI signboards).

My post was directed to the whole community, to mappers of the country and still applies for many of such edits in Bangladesh. I am glad to know I do not have to worry about addressing of POIs in Gazipur because you will take the necessary steps in mitigation of the issue. Please do report back should you have more queries on the subject.

[Md. Abdur Rahman]

Dear Br. Arman,

I dont know whomever added "Tongi - Kaliganj Hwy" and what is the reference. For this issue RHD is putting signboard to every Regional Highway what have i seen. If we start to use official name it will be the primary name for next generation. One name will be known to all. Same thing is happened to "Joydevpur - Tangail - Jamalpur Hwy".

In my sense to avoid any contraindication or confusion we should use the official name flagging as "official" and recognized by local is as "obscure". In this case the "Primary" flag is left !!!

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[Jahidur Rahman]

আমি এই মতামতের সাথে সম্পূর্ণ একমত। অফিসিয়াল নেম এর ছুতা দিয়ে যা হাচ্ছে তা ঠিক নয়। মানুষ বিভ্রান্ত হচ্ছে। এ জটিলতা নিরসনে ম্যাপিং ফোরাম সিদ্ধান্ত নেওয়া উচিত। নিউমার্কেট-কে সবাই নিউজমার্কেট বলেই চিনে তার অফিসিয়াল নেম যদি দেওয়া হয় তাহলে মানুষ বিভ্রান্ত হবে।

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[Md. Abdur Rahman]

Dear Br. Jahid,

Official name should be always official. I think you do not say as an example "Dutch-Bangla Bank Limited" you might be use "Dutch-Bangla Bank" most of the people use this..so what will you add as new POI in map "Dutch-Bangla Bank Limited" or "Dutch-Bangla Bank" ??

In what reference you are commenting "গাজীপুর থেকে টাঙ্গাইলে যে হাইওয়ে রোড গিয়েছে। সেখানে লোকাল এবং সকলেই জানে সেটা জয়দেবপুর-টাঙ্গাইল মহাসড়ক। প্রত্যেক দোকান এবং প্রতিষ্ঠানের ভাউচার এবং অন্যান্য কাগজ পত্রেও এই ঠিকানাই লেখা হয়। যেমনঃ সিহাব মিষ্টান্ন ভান্ডার, জয়দেবপুর-টাঙ্গাইল রোড, গাজীপুর-চৌরাস্তা। " it is totally confusing. Maximum people know it as "Dhaka-Tangail Hwy" as well as "Joydevpur-Tangail Hwy" in that case, where is the route for Go to Jamalpur ? How do a new mapper can know that this route is use for going to Jamalpur ? "Dhaka-Tangail Hwy" or "Joydevpur-Tangail Hwy" is only for local people but Map is for all. In my sense map should be like that anyone can get info from this map. Br. Arman solved the problem in previous mail. So we should follow what does he said.

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[Arman Khossain]

Dear all,

To make it easy to understand the use of Primary names, let me mention the following: মানুষের মুখে মুখে যে নামটি চলে, সে নামটিকে প্রাইমারি বলে বিবেচিত করা হবে । It is as simple as that; this is the Map Maker definition of a primary name. Adding a primary name to a feature completely depends on the local knowledge of the person behind the edit.