Bing Roads and OSM Roads accesibility

[GFG]

Hi,

Just want to confirm something.

The options to open the Bing and OSM data are greyed out. Is this
because I do not have the premium version of MI?

Regards
GFG

[Uffe Kousgaard]

Yes. It is new in version 11 and requires some kind of additional license.

Regards
Uffe

[GFG]

Personally I think it is ridiculous to charge a additional fee to
access an open source dataset like OSM through Mapinfo.

Regards
GFG

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[Bill Thoen]

On 7/13/2011 2:52 AM, GFG wrote:
> Personally I think it is ridiculous to charge a additional fee to
> access an open source dataset like OSM through Mapinfo.

It does seem tacky at this point in time, I'll agree. But access to Open
Street Maps is not "free." Since nobody feels like offering a free WMS
or similar service into OSM's database, your next best choice is to make
your own WMS. That takes some skill with WMS/WFS protocol, some disk
space, some dedicated, networked hardware and some ongoing expenses in
terms of time and materials to maintain it. But I found that even though
it wasn't free, it didn't cost much and so far it's been well worth the
trouble.

As for Bing, that's never been free for commercial use, and it appears
to be broken too. It seems like it has problems within 30 degrees of the
poles. I haven't checked this out thoroughly yet, but last week I
couldn't get New Zealnd to show up within 300 miles of where it should
have been.

I think you'll see more of this web-based business model emerge, and I
don't think it will not be all that terrible. Because if you think about
it, it's rather convenient to have at your fingertips access to
world-wide aerial imagery, elevation, transportation networks,
hydrology, bathymetry, etc. not to mention the services that can be
added to data (geocoding, routing/trip planning, etc.) all seamlessly
tiled, fully maintained and as up to date as is possible. Somebody else
takes care of all the details, while you get to use the data any time to
create maps of anywhere. What's it costing you now to maintain a
complete base map data set? And are you even able to marshal all the
resources anyway? I bet not, for most small or medium-sized businesses.

This web-based business model is already in use among those who provide
satellite and aerial imagery, but look for it to expand to other data
themes in the near future. Within 10 years I bet that most businesses
will get their map data from these web services, either paying for
one-time access or by monthly subscription, and they will find that
their maps are richer in detail, more complete and up to date, and the
money saved by not having to maintain an inventory of base layers will
more than offset the $100/month or so for the subscription fee.

What do others think?

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[Mats Elfström]

Hi!

Well you just need to compare with ESRI:s ArcGIS Online to find another business model.

It provides all kinds of basemaps; imagery, topographic and street maps at no extra cost, as well as a platform for all users to publish their own maps.

If MapInfo does need to charge extra to provide just two 'free' map sources, they must be in real need for more income.

Regards, Mats.E

2011/7/13 Bill Thoen <bth...@gisnet.com>

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[Bill Thoen]

On 7/13/2011 9:21 AM, � wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Well you just need to compare with ESRI:s ArcGIS Online to find
> another business model.
> It provides all kinds of basemaps; imagery, topographic and street
> maps at no extra cost, as well as a platform for all users to publish
> their own maps.
> If MapInfo does need to charge extra to provide just two 'free' map
> sources, they must be in real need for more income.
>

Comparing what MapInfo can do vs what ESRI can do is like comparing the
Mayor of Munchkin City to King Kong. They're not really in the same
league. Here's a market share comparison from Daratech published a
couple of years ago. Big Blue ESRI literally looms over the market and
stands nearly five times taller than PBBI MapInfo's petite pink
presence. Plus ESRI's mindshare (what people think of when they think of
GIS), seems to be around 90%. How they did that with less than a third
of the market is, to quote Darth Vader, "Impressive!" I would expect
more from them because they have so much more to work with.

(The entire article on the GIS market in 2009 is at
http://www.directionsmag.com/pressreleases/gisgeospatial-industry-worldwide-growth-slows-to-1-in-2009/119103.)

[Tim Rideout]

I believe the most basic licence for ArcGIS is only slightly more expensive than MapInfo, but this is little more than a browser, so you quickly need the Universal Translator equivalent, ArcEditor, Spatial Analyst, ArcPlot, etc and then end up at more like US$10,000 to 15,000 for 1 seat, so I would guess they can throw in the data for 'free'.

Tim

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[Tom]

On Jul 13, 3:54 pm, Bill Thoen <bth...@gisnet.com> wrote:

> It does seem tacky at this point in time, I'll agree. But access to Open
> Street Maps is not "free." Since nobody feels like offering a free WMS
> or similar service into OSM's database, your next best choice is to make
> your own WMS.

As far as can see they are just using the OSM tile server at
http://tile.openstreetmap.org which is governed by this licence:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy.

I played around with OSM tiles in v10.5 with some success (couldn't
get the projection quite right), but handily in v11 PBBI have included
the required TAB file in the TileServer folder of the MI program
directory.

Tom

[Bill Thoen]

On 7/13/2011 11:53 AM, Bill Thoen wrote:

(The entire article on the GIS market in 2009 is at http://www.directionsmag.com/pressreleases/gisgeospatial-industry-worldwide-growth-slows-to-1-in-2009/119103.)

Here's the chart of the GIS market I was referring to. (Hopefully ths wil get through this time)

[Thiru]

//Personally I think it is ridiculous to charge a additional fee to

access an open source dataset like OSM through Mapinfo.

Regards, GFG //

At Mapinfo User Forum in Brisbane, it was announced that "All new
purchases of MapInfo Professional v11 and upgrades to MapInfo
Professional v11 (before 31st July 2011; in NZ and AUS) will receive
12 months worth of Bing Premium Services free of charge".

During the question time Moshe Binyamin, Global Product Manager, PBBI
replied that the OSM data can be accessed freely by MapInfo users
using the icon (wont be greyed out) even after the Bing premium
services expire.

Thiru

On Jul 14, 4:39 am, Bill Thoen <bth...@gisnet.com> wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 11:53 AM, Bill Thoen wrote:

> (The entire article on the GIS market in 2009 is athttp://www.directionsmag.com/pressreleases/gisgeospatial-industry-worldwide-growth-slows-to-1-in-2009/119103.)Here's the chart of the GIS market I was referring to. (Hopefully ths wil get through this time)
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[gasenngo]

Some one mention the size and price of MapInfo vs. ESRI in relation to the ability to provide free OSM base map. 

Global Mapper is just a fraction of MapInfo in both size and price, and they provide free OSM, SRTM (and bunch of orther base map) for several years already.

My logic is that if you are a smaller company/ software you have to offer more in order to sell.

[ktg cad]

MapInfo Vs Esri... is always a comparison going to stay, but ESRI is expensive and mapinfo is a bit Cheaper, global mapper is much cheaper and better in few cases of mapping business..

Expensive softwares have more features and free stuffs to offer.
Lesser value software are comparatively a competitors, As a user i like to work with Map Info, that's my idea..

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