is there a WMS feed of google maps I can connect to using MIpro

[thierry.baulu]

Hi,

Saw a couple of posts regarding how to bring in Google maps satellite
images into map info as a WMS service. but I did not find any answer
such as:
-Sure here is the url of the WMS from google!

I recently stumbled on a commercial product called MapperG that seems
to do just that.
I am wondering why I should pay 400$ for this product. Unless all that
money goes to google and then why buy a product, all we need is the
WMS URL no?

I am guessing this company saw the opportunity and that google is not
interested in commercialising a WMS service.

It's a free country!

Too bad the wms service is not.

Unless there is one that is free but not advertised anywhere?

[Gentreau]

How interesting that the price you are quoting is
exactly the same price as a GE Pro licence.
http://earth.google.com/enterprise/earth_pro.html

I wonder if there is any connection.......

[Peter Horsbøll Møller]

Exactly what do you pay $400 for?

To be able to use satellite data of the entire world within MapInfo Pro?

Sounds like a true bargin to me.

 

Of course that might depend on the licensing

 

Peter Horsbøll Møller
Pitney Bowes Business Insight - MapInfo

2009/4/28 Gentreau <goo...@gentreau.com>

[Andrew Hare]

Had a bit of a play

I’m sold

 

Regards,

 

Andrew Hare

GIS Administrator

Waimate District Council

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[college.atlas]

Totally agree. That's cheap and so easily integrated.

I'm sold too.

Wish I'd developed it...

On Apr 29, 6:45 am, "Andrew Hare" <AND...@waimatedc.govt.nz> wrote:
> Had a bit of a play
>
> I'm sold
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Hare
>
> GIS Administrator
>
> Waimate District Council
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: mapi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Horsbøll Møller
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2009 6:00 a.m.
> To: mapi...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [MI-L] Re: is there a WMS feed of google maps I can connect to using MIpro
>
> Exactly what do you pay $400 for?
>
> To be able to use satellite data of the entire world within MapInfo Pro?
>
> Sounds like a true bargin to me.
>
> Of course that might depend on the licensing
>
> Peter Horsbøll Møller
> Pitney Bowes Business Insight - MapInfo
>
> 2009/4/28 Gentreau <goo...@gentreau.com>
>
> How interesting that the price you are quoting is

> exactly the same price as a GE Pro licence.http://earth.google.com/enterprise/earth_pro.html<http://earth.google.com/enterprise/earth_pro.html>

>
> I wonder if there is any connection.......
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mapi...@googlegroups.com <mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com>  [mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com <mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com> ] On
>
> Behalf Of thierry.baulu
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:59 PM
> To: MapInfo-L
> Subject: [MI-L] is there a WMS feed of google maps I can connect to using
> MIpro
>
> Hi,
>
> Saw a couple of posts regarding how to bring in Google maps satellite
> images into map info as a WMS service. but I did not find any answer
> such as:
> -Sure here is the url of the WMS from google!
>
> I recently stumbled on a commercial product called MapperG that seems
> to do just that.
> I am wondering why I should pay 400$ for this product. Unless all that
> money goes to google and then why buy a product, all we need is the
> WMS URL no?
>
> I am guessing this company saw the opportunity and that google is not
> interested in commercialising a WMS service.
>
> It's a free country!
>
> Too bad the wms service is not.
>
> Unless there is one that is free but not advertised anywhere?
>

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[BenM]

I too had a play with this program and I am very impressed

I would have thought that to use the images in map output you would
need to also purchase the 400$$ google Earth pro feature.


I wish they gave more than ten maps in the trial

:-)

[Brendan O'Donovan]

At least you got 10 trials!

I tried it and first time got

"Thank you for using the Mapper G Evaluation, The Evaluation is limited to 0 MapperG Images"

followed by

"Your MapperG Evaluation period has expired....."

I have emailed mapping solutions with my experience

Brendan O'Donovan

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[thierry]

I agree that 400$ is not that much to have google map satellite
backdrop in Mipro. Then again, Google Satellite data has it's
drawbacks, but at that price, one would be in a bad position to
complain.

I also agree that the makers of MapperG were very smart in makin this
product.

My point is, since this "product" uses a functionality in mapinfo that
is pretty straightforward ( connecting to a wms source), What we are
purchassing seems more of an actual license to use the data outside of
google rather than a "software development".

And in that sense, if my understanding of how this product works is
correct, then would it not make more sense for google to outright sell
a membership to their wms feed. I am guessing that they either did not
understand the market potential of doing so, or in the contrary,
understood it well enough to decide it would be better to leave this
to a third party.

Either way, I think, based also on the feedback of this post, that
this mapperG product is good, I just wish we could connect directly to
a google wms feed (even for a fee) without having to Install a tool in
Mipro.

On Apr 30, 3:42 am, Brendan O'Donovan <Brendan.O'Dono...@boliden.com>
wrote:

> At least you got 10 trials!
>
> I tried it and first time got
>
> "Thank you for using the Mapper G Evaluation, The Evaluation is limited to
> 0 MapperG Images"
>
> followed by
>
> "Your MapperG Evaluation period has expired....."
>
> I have emailed mapping solutions with my experience
>
> Brendan O'Donovan
>

> BenM <moll...@macroplan.com.au>

[Gentreau]

It seems that you're paying $400 to be able to access the WMS server at svc.gadberry.info.

 

If you then go to www.gadberry.info which redirects to gadberry.net you find that they offer a product/service called Magnify.

Take a look at that and you see that they clearly have the ability to access GE and GM images.

 

I have emailed gadberry to get pricing info.

 

And another thought, has anyone here ever contacted Google Earth directly to ask if they have a WMS server which can be accessed?

 

Gentreau.

 

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From: mapi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Horsbøll Møller
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:00 PM
To: mapi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MI-L] Re: is there a WMS feed of google maps I can connect to using MIpro

[Tim Rideout]

We have tried out the Google MI plugin and may well buy it. However, I don’t think it is accessing a WMS at all. From my colleagues examination it seems it takes a screen grab from Google of your area. Every time you pan or zoom in MapInfo you have to do a refresh to get a new image. That would not be the case if it was a genuine WMS. So it could well be something along the lines of the GELINK mbx (I think that is right – mbx that grabs one image and adds MapInfo registration to it) but just extended to repeatedly capture views and insert them into MapInfo.

 

I am sure that if Google was available as a WMS then somebody would know about it by now. Of course in the process you would also probably wipe out most of the market for anyone buying satellite imagery or air photos, not to mention no doubt violate the licence terms under which Getmapping, Digital Globe,  whoever sold their images to Google, and so forth.

 

There is a longer term issue here – satellites or aircraft cost real money that somebody has to pay. If all the private and commercial users come to the view that all of these should be / are available for free from Google then who is going to pay the cost? I am fairly certain that just now Google do not pay their suppliers anywhere near the real cost of the imagery if there were no other customers. If Google end up as the sole provider of imagery to the world do you think it will stay free to the user? If so who is really paying for it? Right now those who advertise on Google pay part of the costs, while the other customers of Digital Globe, etc allow Google’s purchases to be cross-subsidised.

 

Economics is the dismal science as there is never a free lunch!

 

Regards

 

Tim

 

Dr Tim Rideout

Director

 

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Visit XYZ at the Cape Town Book Fair, June 13-16th 2009

 The XYZ Digital Map Company

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Dalkeith,
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Tele: +44 (0) 131 454 0426
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From: mapi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gentreau
Sent: 03 May 2009 11:01
To: mapi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MI-L] Re: is there a WMS feed of google maps I can connect to using MIpro

 

It seems that you're paying $400 to be able to access the WMS server at svc.gadberry.info.

 

If you then go to www.gadberry.info which redirects to gadberry.net you find that they offer a product/service called Magnify.

Take a look at that and you see that they clearly have the ability to access GE and GM images.

 

I have emailed gadberry to get pricing info.

 

And another thought, has anyone here ever contacted Google Earth directly to ask if they have a WMS server which can be accessed?

 

Gentreau.

 

 

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From: mapi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Horsbøll Møller

Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:00 PM
To: mapi...@googlegroups.com

<BR

[eric.bl...@pb.com]

I am finding some of this discussion a bit puzzling. Perhaps you can
educate me!

But a few things about WMS first.

1) There are no WMS requirements about clients. So when a client asks
for a new picture is up to it.
2) WMS was originally designed for vector data with the knowledge that
there would be some raster. I think some people were surprised by the
sites that were just giving images of existing maps! Why? Because WMS
is very clear about what must be returned. A server MUST return the
exact area requested (unless it is out of the bounds from its
capabilities) and the image size as well. Rasters by their very nature
don't display very fluidlly as even multi level images like ECW and
MrSID have discrete levels.
3) WMS has no concept of tiling or even incremental update. You either
ask the server for the requested area or you don't! If you do ask for
part of your map, you may be in trouble. The server has no concept of
matching up to the other part that you still have on your screen.
Generally this is most obvious with text and symbols.
4) Google and the others (MS Virtual Earth, Yahoo, MapQuest) have
changed the game completely with tiling. Tiles are images but the
interface is completely different. In fact, when you hit the server,
you are just asking for a specific tile. Not a lat/long or bounds or
anything spatial; just a tile by NAME via a convention that each make
up. It is the JavaScript code in the browser that decides what tiles
to ask for including asking for more than is visible so that by the
time you pan somewhere else, it already has what you wanted!

As for Professional as a WMS client, we decided that we would pretty
much go back to the server all the time so that you have the best map
the server can provide. In particular this makes sense when resizing a
map as the quality of maps, labels, symbology is tied to the size of
the image. I believe (it has been awhile) that we don't go back to the
server for the whole map when you pan, hoping for the best and trying
for some better performance.

So I am confused as to why someone would want a WMS for these
services. It would be much slower than going directly for all the
above reasons, not offer any better quality (the imagery, whether map
or satellite is going to scale and not look its best) and the
licensing issues are still there except for perhaps the WMS provider
would get the big call!

I have seen a few implementations of this with Professional and all do
the same thing. They have some of the same logic as the browser
JavaScript, then download tiles and composite them together into a
raster file that Professional reads as a registered raster. They
handle NOT going back to the services in some different ways but
basically allowing Professional to stretch or squish the image for
zooms and then they go get more when needed. They might have a local
cache of tiles they can reuse, just like the browsers do. At least
that would be a good way to do it.

I have not verified this but I think they are taking advantage of a
somewhat unintentional implementation detail on our part. Unlike
vector data, Professional does not attempt to keep raster files open
and does not cache much information about them. The fact that these
rasters change underneath us would probably not have worked if we had
done otherwise. I will have to check into that.

Again, my question, why WMS?

Eric Blasenheim
PBBI




On May 3, 11:07 am, "Tim Rideout" <tim.ride...@xyzmaps.com> wrote:
> We have tried out the Google MI plugin and may well buy it. However, I don't think it is accessing a WMS at all. From my colleagues examination it seems it takes a screen grab from Google of your area. Every time you pan or zoom in MapInfo you have to do a refresh to get a new image. That would not be the case if it was a genuine WMS. So it could well be something along the lines of the GELINK mbx (I think that is right - mbx that grabs one image and adds MapInfo registration to it) but just extended to repeatedly capture views and insert them into MapInfo.

>
> I am sure that if Google was available as a WMS then somebody would know about it by now. Of course in the process you would also probably wipe out most of the market for anyone buying satellite imagery or air photos, not to mention no doubt violate the licence terms under which Getmapping, Digital Globe,  whoever sold their images to Google, and so forth.
>

> There is a longer term issue here - satellites or aircraft cost real money that somebody has to pay. If all the private and commercial users come to the view that all of these should be / are available for free from Google then who is going to pay the cost? I am fairly certain that just now Google do not pay their suppliers anywhere near the real cost of the imagery if there were no other customers. If Google end up as the sole provider of imagery to the world do you think it will stay free to the user? If so who is really paying for it? Right now those who advertise on Google pay part of the costs, while the other customers of Digital Globe, etc allow Google's purchases to be cross-subsidised.

>
> Economics is the dismal science as there is never a free lunch!
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
> Dr Tim Rideout
>
> Director
>

> See Earth - the World Atlas athttp://shop.xyzmaps.com<http://shop.xyzmaps.com> . The largest & most expensive Atlas in the World, but 570 stunning pages of maps and photos. XYZ did Europe.

>
> Visit XYZ at the Cape Town Book Fair, June 13-16th 2009
>

>   The XYZ Digital Map Company
>
> Unit 9-11 Hardengreen Bus.Pk.
> Dalhousie Road,
> Dalkeith,
> EH22 3NX
>
> Tele: +44 (0) 131 454 0426
> Mobile: +44 (0) 7766 825937
> Fax: +44 131 454 0443

> Email: tim.ride...@xyzmaps.com <mailto:tim.ride...@xyzmaps.com>

> Web:www.xyzmaps.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: mapi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gentreau
> Sent: 03 May 2009 11:01
> To: mapi...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [MI-L] Re: is there a WMS feed of google maps I can connect to using MIpro
>
> It seems that you're paying $400 to be able to access the WMS server at svc.gadberry.info.
>

> If you then go towww.gadberry.infowhich redirects to gadberry.net you find that they offer a product/service called Magnify.

>
> Take a look at that and you see that they clearly have the ability to access GE and GM images.
>
> I have emailed gadberry to get pricing info.
>
> And another thought, has anyone here ever contacted Google Earth directly to ask if they have a WMS server which can be accessed?
>
> Gentreau.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: mapi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Horsbøll Møller
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:00 PM
> To: mapi...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [MI-L] Re: is there a WMS feed of google maps I can connect to using MIpro
>
> Exactly what do you pay $400 for?
>
> To be able to use satellite data of the entire world within MapInfo Pro?
>
> Sounds like a true bargin to me.
>
> Of course that might depend on the licensing
>
> Peter Horsbøll Møller
> Pitney Bowes Business Insight - MapInfo
>
> 2009/4/28 Gentreau <goo...@gentreau.com>
>
> How interesting that the price you are quoting is

> exactly the same price as a GE Pro licence.http://earth.google.com/enterprise/earth_pro.html<http://earth.google.com/enterprise/earth_pro.html>

>
> I wonder if there is any connection.......
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mapi...@googlegroups.com <mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com>  [mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com <mailto:mapi...@googlegroups.com> ] On
>
> Behalf Of thierry.baulu
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:59 PM
> To: MapInfo-L
> Subject: [MI-L] is there a WMS feed of google maps I can connect to using
> MIpro
>
> Hi,
>
> Saw a couple of posts regarding how to bring in Google maps satellite
> images into map info as a WMS service. but I did not find any answer
> such as:
> -Sure here is the url of the WMS from google!
>
> I recently stumbled on a commercial product called MapperG that seems
> to do just that.
> I am wondering why I should pay 400$ for this product. Unless all that
> money goes to google and then why buy a product, all we need is the
> WMS URL no?
>
> I am guessing this company saw the opportunity and that google is not
> interested in commercialising a WMS service.
>
> It's a free country!
>
> Too bad the wms service is not.
>
> Unless there is one that is free but not advertised anywhere?
>
> <BR
>
>
>

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[Gentreau]

Personally, I'm not bothered whether it's a WMS server or something else.
What I would like to do is to be able to go get GE or GM backgrounds when
required
and use them for presentations, reports, or analysis.

Gentreau.

[thierry]

> Again, my question, why WMS?
>
> Eric Blasenheim
> PBBI

Why WMS?

Because that functionality exists in Mipro and that there are a number
of satellite imagery wms servers already suggested. Also because, when
searching the group for the address of the WMS feed of Google map I
stumbled on the mapperG product which made it seem like it used that
technology.

Is WMS not an OGC standard that allows a client to bring in raster
data from a server somewhere on the network? If this is true than, It
would make sense for MI users to use that available function of the
product.

Am I correct in understanding that the mapperG product does not use
WMS to bring in GE or GM backgrounds into Mipro?

BTW I connected to "private" WMS feeds of high resolution aerial
imagery and it worked fine for me in the past, this is why I was
looking for a "public" feed of GE or GM images.

> > If you then go towww.gadberry.infowhichredirects to gadberry.net you find that they offer a product/service called Magnify.