Approval for Lindenwood University Campus, St. Charles, MO 63301

[LindenwoodU]

Hi Everyone,

Lindenwood University is attempting to map out the many roads and buildings we have on campus. Although many of the roads remained unnamed, we often find visitors have a difficult time findings buildings on campus since it is not outlined very well through Google Maps. I have spent the last few days mapping out almost everything on campus, and am attempting to get them approved before students return for the Fall semester.

Any help approving our locations and roads would be greatly appreciated. We are located in St. Charles, Missouri 63301, and all of my road and place markers follow the satellite pictures exactly.

For any questions or comments please contact me at linde...@gmail.com

Ryan Griffin

Social Media Community Manager

Lindenwood University

[LindenwoodU]

Thanks, Dan,

Here is the link to our campus. We have a lot of pending edits, so it would just be quicker to give you our location.

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=73&start=20&ll=38.787133,-90.505049&spn=0.003303,0.006266&t=h&z=18&lyt=large_map&hyaw=304.1778687843212&mid=1338835847331

Let me know if there are any issues.

On Monday, June 4, 2012 2:50:08 PM UTC-5, blissfulight wrote:

Hi Ryan, for quicker approval, please post the edit URLs and/or a link to the area and/or your profile.  

[LindenwoodU]

Thanks again, Dan.

These are great, I have already changed all our campus buildings as per your suggestions. I am also in the process of changing our parking lots to "terminal", though this is extremely difficult when i cannot select them (since they are awaiting on the approval of other roads).

I will be continue with the roads tomorrow since I do not think I will be able to finish them tonight. As the roads open up I will also begin to update their specific details, we have sidewalks all over campus and bicycles are very welcome on all our roads. I will also begin adding boundaries to each of our facilities tomorrow.

I have also subscribed to our neighborhood, as per your suggestion. Thank you again, I did not know I could do this. I plan to do all your suggestions this week, as it has been indicated a "high priority" by our public relations department.

Again, thank you for all your support.

You have been a great help!

On Monday, June 4, 2012 4:00:03 PM UTC-5, blissfulight wrote:

Yes, a few.  

As for the names, I would add (example) Mathews Hall as the Primary name, and make the other name, Mathews Hall - Lindenwood University as either the Obscure or Official name.  Most people won't be referring to the name by the full name, they'll just go Mathews Hall or Welcome Center.  The whole campus is enclosed within the boundary Lindenwood University (that needs adjustment and can have additional details, since it's basically your front facing Place page) so finding buildings will be less of an issue with the shorter, more common name.  

I would add boundaries to track fields and the like, and buildings to the POIs, but they can be approved as is.  Adding polygons will make the POIs more distinctive on Maps.  Google Reviewers encourage it, but it's your time and energy, so only do what you want to do.  

Road names should be set as Primary, with the Local (for English name preference—I know, confusing) and Official tags added as well:  John Weber Drive

Roads in the parking lots should be set with a Segment Usage as Enclosed Traffic Area/Parking Lot.  The segments adjacent to the main access road should be set as terminal, Enclosed Traffic Area/Parking Lot.  Since this isn't named, I'm inclined to set the Priority to Terminal rather than Local:  Road  Also helpful to add details like Bicycle and Pedestrian info., as your campus probably gets a lot of bike and walking traffic.  Not always necessary, because Google Maps assumes it's okay to Bike/Walk, but helpful and quick to add.  

Other than that, it all looks good, and I can approve quickly with the name and road details changes to those two segments, followed by the other road edits still in Pending limbo (waiting for approval for other pending segments).  

To keep an eye on changes (vandals, new features, Google Reviewers screwing things up) I would subscribe to your neighborhood:  http://support.google.com/mapmaker/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1108788.  I would just zoom out so the entire campus is in your screen, and then subscribe to that view.  Don't worry about keywords or categories, you'll want to see everything.  Email alerts are optional—it's not the most reliable mechanism on MM for changes, and changes can happen so quickly you can miss something that happened.  Checking back once a week or whatever interval you feel comfortable with reviewing seems optimal.  

Here's a shout-out to Google to appoint university reps a special moderation status that gives them limited control over their turf.  

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[LindenwoodU]

We do for many of them, added to the list and will be done this week!

[LindenwoodU]

Hi Dan,

This is what I have done today:

All the names have been changed, and their previous name has been changed to the "official" name. All of our buildings now also have "building boundaries around each of them, and I am in the process of gathering their height to improve the rendering. 

I have changed our major roads to primary and our secondary roads to local, the main reason I did not put them as terminal is because Lindenwood is the process of opening them up for purchase. I am not sure when this will happen, but I we would prefer them to be "local" roads.

I haven't been able to edit the information on many of our roads because they are still waiting on approval of connecting roads, once they are opened up I can get right to it.

As you can see I still have a few things to do, but I am happy with how we are progressing so far.

Thank you again for all your help,

Ryan

[LindenwoodU]

Thanks Dan,

I will let you know when I have made more updates.

[LindenwoodU]

Hi Dan,

I have made a fair few updates today. All the roads that opened up have been changed to show they're bicycle friendly, with pedestrian access with our sidewalks. I have also fixed the buildings to match their blueprints better, hopefully they all line up correctly now. I have begun creating various paths around campus too, since they are a major form of transportation for our student and various guests.

I have almost gathered all the building information and will begin entering it tomorrow, once I have finished up on the paths.

I can see things starting to come together now, and I appreciate all the help you have given so far. I would love to know what thoughts you have, as always.

Ryan

[LindenwoodU]

Here is a copy of our campus map from the website, though it is not to scale:

http://www.lindenwood.edu/about/docs/CampusMap.pdf

[Detroiter]

Hi Ryan,

I would recommend you to change the roads in parking lots "Segment usage" as "Enclosed traffic area/ Parking lot". It is under road attributes.

That way parking lot would not be show up in every zoom level. Which may make a more clear map.

Best. 

Detroiter

On Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:10:15 AM UTC+3, blissfulight wrote:

You can also move intersection around, which allows you to align roads more easily.  

[Detroiter]

I changed the  "segment usage" attribute of parking lot btw Field and Evans Commons as an example. 

I also added parking boundary without name. Please make necessary corrections if I did something wrong.

Best

Detroiter

[LindenwoodU]

Have been updating again today. I have gotten rid of many of the paths, but unfortunately as soon as I delete one, I have to wait for approval before editing any of the adjacent paths or roads.

Shame there isn't another way to do them all at once, though it is starting to come together very nicely.

[LindenwoodU]

Thanks Detroiter,

I have accepted all your changes, though I don't have much say when it comes to full approval. 

I like the parking lots a lot. Will be a great addition for visitors who are unsure of all our parking locations.

I will begin adding more features like it as soon as I can get all the roads sorted out on campus, since that is our priority.

Thanks again for all your help,

Ryan

[assa...@gmail.com]

Blissfulight, what about paths that run parallel to ETA roads but there's parking spaces perpendicular to the road (head in parking). I know there were a few that were requested to be deleted, but I've always mapped those separately thank roads with sidewalks. Your thoughts?

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You can also have rivers that cross roads.  That won't affect directions for roads.  

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[LindenwoodU]

Is there I a way I can add carparks with the roads still visible? The only carpark added on campus prevents people from seeing any of the connecting roads

[assa...@gmail.com]

Yeah, I usually always mark the ETA road with permissible pedestrian traffic and mark the path along the the ETA road as a path. It tends to work out better.

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I guess I look at them as sidewalks that are only a car length away?  People will slip between the cars to get to the sidewalk (at least I do).  I think you can do either/or so long as you do either/or.  Not religious about it—guess there's just a difference in style?  

[assa...@gmail.com]

Currently Maps doesn't render these roads. Add the car parks / parking lots and eventually Google will fix the bug with the terminal ETA roads and they'll render. It has nothing to do with parking lots being added, so add them! :-) People like to know where to park.

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Is there I a way I can add carparks with the roads still visible? The only carpark added on campus prevents people from seeing any of the connecting roads

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[assa...@gmail.com]

British English = car park
'Real' English = parking lot ;-)

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Oh, that issue.  Yeah, no worries.  Terminology coupled with an unrelated issue confused me.  

[LindenwoodU]

Haha pretty close Andrew but I'm actually Australian

[assa...@gmail.com]

Haha, is it still in the "Commonwealth?"

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Haha pretty close Andrew but I'm actually Australian

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[LindenwoodU]

Yep.... unfortunately

[LindenwoodU]

Thanks Dan,

Have been looking at the trails and I do see a few that do not connect. Will be begin adjusting them, it just take time for me to delete, wait for approval, then redraw.

I have labeled all the parking lots Terminal, but not EPA/TL because I want them to still appear on the map.

I will begin adding content once everything has really been sorted out and the map is completed.

I have found that a bunch of approved changes are not showing up on the map, even after being approved for a week. Any reason this is happening?

[LindenwoodU]

Also, I cannot figure out why the title for the baseball clubhouse is so far away from the building. It is almost a mile away and it will not let me move its location

[Saikrishna Arcot]

Hi,

I approved some of the road and trail edits in the university, so you should be able to continue editing there.

As for the title, I made an edit to the feature, and once approved, the label should appear in the right place.

[LindenwoodU]

It has!

Thank you very much for your help, Saikrishna!

[Josh Manchester]

I have found that a lot of my roads are not rendering right or not at all recently.  It seems that a Map Refresh needs to be pushed for them to render correctly.  It is like a month or two goes by and then all of a sudden they appear.

 

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Rendering errors, and some take time to show up.  Also, there's a bug with EPA/TL.  They won't appear, but you can still use them for directions.  

 

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[Josh Manchester]

Since this is in the same area as the U here, I figured I'd tack this one on here.  It's a local High School near the U that needs a few more peeps to review it before it publishes.

http://goo.gl/07oV8

Thanks

[Saikrishna Arcot]

For future use in this thread, it's ETA/PL (Enclosed Traffic Area/Parking Lot). We don't want to involve the EPA here. :)

On Monday, June 11, 2012 4:40:12 PM UTC-5, blissfulight wrote:

Rendering errors, and some take time to show up.  Also, there's a bug with EPA/TL.  They won't appear, but you can still use them for directions.  

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[LindenwoodU]

Thanks Dan,

I have been going through and editing many of these issues for the past few days. Many of the mistakes are ones I made originally so it's just a matter of finding them all and fixing the issue.

I am concerned that the ETA/PL roads will not appear on our maps. Our public relations department would like them to still be rendered for aesthetic purposes. I have still marked them as terminal, I would just still like to have them appear when someone searches for the university.

I am fixing the bicycle paths right now, so you should begin to see many of the issues disappear. 

[Andrew Sawyer]

There were a bunch pending that were incorrectly as gardens ( ones between roads and parking lot strips) that don't ualify for vegitation. I had commented on them and linked to the Help Article on Vegetation. As I see it the only ones that qualify are wide-open areas where people can actually use the areas, not one-off corners or other small areas. 

From the help article I linked to:

Vegetation: should be marked for areas which have a distinctly recognizable coverage and are not simply green areas between two features such as adjacent buildings or split segments of a road.

• The vegetation category should be used for features such as quads and other grassy areas in college or business campuses.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Review Requests on behalf of blissfulight <map-mod...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Something that would be aesthetically nice would be the addition of Vegetation boundaries.  I noticed that you originally had them as Garden boundaries, but then they disappeared, presumably because they were labeled wrong and you undid them…?  Not sure.  

[Josh Manchester]

Done

 

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Here's the edit:

 

Lindenwood University Main Entrance

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[LindenwoodU]

Okay, it all looks good.

I have been looking at that. The name under the "cap" logo seems to remain the same despite any changes made to the page.

Will this eventually fix itself? There are also many approved roads (not ETA/PL) that still haven't appeared despite being approved for a long time.