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Bro.Goh
Oct 22, 2008, 1:11:45 AM10/22/08
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Dear all,
I am not a politician but lately, due to so many happenings in our
country and many of our current cabinet members talking irrelevancy in
their respond to national issues, i wish to say a few words.
Our current Home Minister is totally unfit to occupy this position, as
he has got no idea what his Ministry's role is all about. He neither
knows about the existence of ISA in the country. He is creating havoc
and making a mockery of the ISA, which most Malaysians above 40 years
is fully aware what ISA is for. By the look of this joker's action,
Our current Home Minister is trying to replace the ISA detention camp
as a criminal prison without trial. Just like those warlords days.
So, if our current leader, is truly commited for change, do change the
Home Minister NOW. Don't wait till power transition (if it ever
happen).
I am not a politician but lately, due to so many happenings in our
country and many of our current cabinet members talking irrelevancy in
their respond to national issues, i wish to say a few words.
Our current Home Minister is totally unfit to occupy this position, as
he has got no idea what his Ministry's role is all about. He neither
knows about the existence of ISA in the country. He is creating havoc
and making a mockery of the ISA, which most Malaysians above 40 years
is fully aware what ISA is for. By the look of this joker's action,
Our current Home Minister is trying to replace the ISA detention camp
as a criminal prison without trial. Just like those warlords days.
So, if our current leader, is truly commited for change, do change the
Home Minister NOW. Don't wait till power transition (if it ever
happen).
Shiou Loh
Oct 22, 2008, 11:00:12 AM10/22/08
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Dear Bro Goh,
Actually our civil society needs non-politicians like you to act, and act collectively. We should all deploy civil methods, including Option 2 of the Action Proposal #003, to slowly but steadily bring him down. Spread your words to your friends and family. You could use this common resource when you need to ask your friend to execute the Option 2; The key is to emphasize the incompetence aspect of Syed Hamid while side-step raw emotion about him.
Cheers,
Shiou
Bro. Goh Chong Meng
Oct 22, 2008, 11:07:12 PM10/22/08
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Dear Shiou,
In fact it is not just the Home Minister who is not competent. The entire current government including those seem to be honourable ones are not competent. Look at the appointment of the rural poor minister( with criminal record, though committed in foreign land) , current tourism minister( having so many disputable issues left behind during her tenure as sports minister), non of the current cabinet members have raised an objection or commented in their appoinment to serve the country. That shows, no matter how honourable they are, they all committed an abetment to a weak and useless government. It clearly shows the current leader do not have trust worthy members to serve the country. This is very sad. Our current leader might be a Mr. Nice Guy, but he lack vision.
If there is a change of government, the new government might also not guarantee us an effective, trust worthy, government.
Therefore, the issue is not about changing government, but the environment of being the government. Every now and then we have street demonstration, will not solve any issue. Consolidate a respectable group to engage discussion with the government is the best option. However, again, surrounding environment within the group, if not truly committed to do service to the country, will open up the temptation of mental corruption during the discussion. ( could be in the form of personal benefit, title awards, and many other forms of temptation). The group of people shall have a very strong personal commitment of honourable of credibility. No hidden agenda, except to serve the country.
Some of the leaders serving the country, changes their commitment due to circumstancial influence within the environment.
As such, MPs and the cabinet should have a better pay, so that they need not have to source for side income to enrich themselves.
It might not solve the entire problem (corruption), but the stake is high, should they commit any offence, they tend to lose a lot.
At the same time, leaders who choses the cabinet members are those who are literily knowledgeable to the role they entrusted instead of those shoe polishers who do not even know how to respond to the people in a wise and smart manner.
All said, let us not let country be destroyed by not doing anything. We should all voice out our unhappiness in a non confrontational way. Peace and harmony cannot be achieved through hatred or confrontational manner.
Lets encourage the opposition or any honourable group to engage the government of the day in serving the country with more purpose and care.
I wish to see all future national events having full participation from all parties, irrespective of race, religion and political affiliation.
In fact it is not just the Home Minister who is not competent. The entire current government including those seem to be honourable ones are not competent. Look at the appointment of the rural poor minister( with criminal record, though committed in foreign land) , current tourism minister( having so many disputable issues left behind during her tenure as sports minister), non of the current cabinet members have raised an objection or commented in their appoinment to serve the country. That shows, no matter how honourable they are, they all committed an abetment to a weak and useless government. It clearly shows the current leader do not have trust worthy members to serve the country. This is very sad. Our current leader might be a Mr. Nice Guy, but he lack vision.
If there is a change of government, the new government might also not guarantee us an effective, trust worthy, government.
Therefore, the issue is not about changing government, but the environment of being the government. Every now and then we have street demonstration, will not solve any issue. Consolidate a respectable group to engage discussion with the government is the best option. However, again, surrounding environment within the group, if not truly committed to do service to the country, will open up the temptation of mental corruption during the discussion. ( could be in the form of personal benefit, title awards, and many other forms of temptation). The group of people shall have a very strong personal commitment of honourable of credibility. No hidden agenda, except to serve the country.
Some of the leaders serving the country, changes their commitment due to circumstancial influence within the environment.
As such, MPs and the cabinet should have a better pay, so that they need not have to source for side income to enrich themselves.
It might not solve the entire problem (corruption), but the stake is high, should they commit any offence, they tend to lose a lot.
At the same time, leaders who choses the cabinet members are those who are literily knowledgeable to the role they entrusted instead of those shoe polishers who do not even know how to respond to the people in a wise and smart manner.
All said, let us not let country be destroyed by not doing anything. We should all voice out our unhappiness in a non confrontational way. Peace and harmony cannot be achieved through hatred or confrontational manner.
Lets encourage the opposition or any honourable group to engage the government of the day in serving the country with more purpose and care.
I wish to see all future national events having full participation from all parties, irrespective of race, religion and political affiliation.
F M CHEN
Oct 22, 2008, 11:28:16 PM10/22/08
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I wish to comment on the following:-
Our present Government has been in place for 50 years and
how many of these leaders ever listen and committed to change. With due respects
to the policitians, but not all, they enter politics more for their personal
gain and glory and power. How many of them have strong personal commitment ?
Just imagine the past and retired politicians how well to do they are - you
think that their wealth are from their pensions and salaries? I doubt. The
present warlords are so reluctant to relinguish their positions now for they
will tend to loose the millions if these warlords were to kick out of
Office.
The change of Government is necessary as we will see the
reform they promised rather than to continue to endure the present foul mouth,
arrogant and pea nuts brains talking rubbish in Parliement. I would take my bet
on the new Government rather than to wait for the reform by the present
Goverment - to save our next generations.
Malaysia is a good country with lots of natural resources
and free from natural disasters but the ruling people are not doing their role
to make this country their own - more to enrich themselves.
GREED IS THE WORD.
Mengchai
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Oct 23, 2008, 12:27:51 AM10/23/08
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Dear Chong Meng & F M Chen,
When Abraham Lincoln declared "the government of, by, and for the
people" , he had summed up the the experience of human being
throughout history as well as provided a solution to it. Human beings
have found the benefit of organizing themselves because the organized
society can pool in resources to serve their members better. However,
the organized society needs a governing body to handle the resources;
The governing body is after all made of people with weaknesses like
you and me. The governing bodies have from time to time, and across
everywhere in the world, become the menace to their respective people.
I think that is repeated experience throughout human history. The
assertion of "the government of, by, and for the people" is a call to
return to the purpose of why we need the government. The assertion
also implies the people needs to be a part of the government.
While I share with your observation on the incompetency of the current
government, I would like to challenge us to take up the responsibility
for producing and enabling such a government. After all, we,
collectively, have elected the government in the general elections.
Even if you as an individual had not voted them in, there are many
others, actually the majority, have voted them in. That is the
responsibility I hope we could pick up. Now, it is the time we
collectively, through democratic process, undo the collective mistake
that we have done. Asserting pressure to hasten the resignation of
Home Minister is only an attempt to correct one of those mistakes.
I would love see a change of government through democratic process;
That is still possible with PR. For those make a decision to join
political parties at the PR side, I would say that is good start. For
those not inclined for political parties, there are still many other
ways to play a part in strengthening the civil society. After all,
there will be a need for civil society to check on government, be it
BN or PR, because the menace of government has been common experience
of human history. There is no reason to believe the menace will go
away. The menace existed 2000 year ago, existed during Lincoln time,
exists now, and will still be there in the future. The realistic hope
is to use people power to check on government all the time. While
there is no point for non-sensible confrontation, I think urging
resignation as a means to express our respective desire is still very
much acceptable way of asserting the people power.
On Oct 22, 10:28 pm, "F M CHEN" <fmc...@warnerpump.com> wrote:
> I wish to comment on the following:-
>
> Our present Government has been in place for 50 years and how many of these leaders ever listen and committed to change. With due respects to the policitians, but not all, they enter politics more for their personal gain and glory and power. How many of them have strong personal commitment ? Just imagine the past and retired politicians how well to do they are - you think that their wealth are from their pensions and salaries? I doubt. The present warlords are so reluctant to relinguish their positions now for they will tend to loose the millions if these warlords were to kick out of Office.
>
> The change of Government is necessary as we will see the reform they promised rather than to continue to endure the present foul mouth, arrogant and pea nuts brains talking rubbish in Parliement. I would take my bet on the new Government rather than to wait for the reform by the present Goverment - to save our next generations.
> Malaysia is a good country with lots of natural resources and free from natural disasters but the ruling people are not doing their role to make this country their own - more to enrich themselves.
>
> GREED IS THE WORD.
>
> Mengchai
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bro. Goh Chong Meng
> To: malaysiacivi...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:07 AM
> Subject: [Malaysia Civil Right Actions:91] Re: current govt
>
> Dear Shiou,
> In fact it is not just the Home Minister who is not competent. The entire current government including those seem to be honourable ones are not competent. Look at the appointment of the rural poor minister( with criminal record, though committed in foreign land) , current tourism minister( having so many disputable issues left behind during her tenure as sports minister), non of the current cabinet members have raised an objection or commented in their appoinment to serve the country. That shows, no matter how honourable they are, they all committed an abetment to a weak and useless government. It clearly shows the current leader do not have trust worthy members to serve the country. This is very sad. Our current leader might be a Mr. Nice Guy, but he lack vision.
>
> If there is a change of government, the new government might also not guarantee us an effective, trust worthy, government.
> Therefore, the issue is not about changing government, but the environment of being the government. Every now and then we have street demonstration, will not solve any issue. Consolidate a respectable group to engage discussion with the government is the best option. However, again, surrounding environment within the group, if not truly committed to do service to the country, will open up the temptation of mental corruption during the discussion. ( could be in the form of personal benefit, title awards, and many other forms of temptation). The group of people shall have a very strong personal commitment of honourable of credibility. No hidden agenda, except to serve the country.
> Some of the leaders serving the country, changes their commitment due to circumstancial influence within the environment.
> As such, MPs and the cabinet should have a better pay, so that they need not have to source for side income to enrich themselves.
>
> It might not solve the entire problem (corruption), but the stake is high, should they commit any offence, they tend to lose a lot.
> At the same time, leaders who choses the cabinet members are those who are literily knowledgeable to the role they entrusted instead of those shoe polishers who do not even know how to respond to the people in a wise and smart manner.
> All said, let us not let country be destroyed by not doing anything. We should all voice out our unhappiness in a non confrontational way. Peace and harmony cannot be achieved through hatred or confrontational manner.
> Lets encourage the opposition or any honourable group to engage the government of the day in serving the country with more purpose and care.
> I wish to see all future national events having full participation from all parties, irrespective of race, religion and political affiliation.
>
When Abraham Lincoln declared "the government of, by, and for the
people" , he had summed up the the experience of human being
throughout history as well as provided a solution to it. Human beings
have found the benefit of organizing themselves because the organized
society can pool in resources to serve their members better. However,
the organized society needs a governing body to handle the resources;
The governing body is after all made of people with weaknesses like
you and me. The governing bodies have from time to time, and across
everywhere in the world, become the menace to their respective people.
I think that is repeated experience throughout human history. The
assertion of "the government of, by, and for the people" is a call to
return to the purpose of why we need the government. The assertion
also implies the people needs to be a part of the government.
While I share with your observation on the incompetency of the current
government, I would like to challenge us to take up the responsibility
for producing and enabling such a government. After all, we,
collectively, have elected the government in the general elections.
Even if you as an individual had not voted them in, there are many
others, actually the majority, have voted them in. That is the
responsibility I hope we could pick up. Now, it is the time we
collectively, through democratic process, undo the collective mistake
that we have done. Asserting pressure to hasten the resignation of
Home Minister is only an attempt to correct one of those mistakes.
I would love see a change of government through democratic process;
That is still possible with PR. For those make a decision to join
political parties at the PR side, I would say that is good start. For
those not inclined for political parties, there are still many other
ways to play a part in strengthening the civil society. After all,
there will be a need for civil society to check on government, be it
BN or PR, because the menace of government has been common experience
of human history. There is no reason to believe the menace will go
away. The menace existed 2000 year ago, existed during Lincoln time,
exists now, and will still be there in the future. The realistic hope
is to use people power to check on government all the time. While
there is no point for non-sensible confrontation, I think urging
resignation as a means to express our respective desire is still very
much acceptable way of asserting the people power.
On Oct 22, 10:28 pm, "F M CHEN" <fmc...@warnerpump.com> wrote:
> I wish to comment on the following:-
>
> Our present Government has been in place for 50 years and how many of these leaders ever listen and committed to change. With due respects to the policitians, but not all, they enter politics more for their personal gain and glory and power. How many of them have strong personal commitment ? Just imagine the past and retired politicians how well to do they are - you think that their wealth are from their pensions and salaries? I doubt. The present warlords are so reluctant to relinguish their positions now for they will tend to loose the millions if these warlords were to kick out of Office.
>
> The change of Government is necessary as we will see the reform they promised rather than to continue to endure the present foul mouth, arrogant and pea nuts brains talking rubbish in Parliement. I would take my bet on the new Government rather than to wait for the reform by the present Goverment - to save our next generations.
> Malaysia is a good country with lots of natural resources and free from natural disasters but the ruling people are not doing their role to make this country their own - more to enrich themselves.
>
> GREED IS THE WORD.
>
> Mengchai
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bro. Goh Chong Meng
> To: malaysiacivi...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:07 AM
> Subject: [Malaysia Civil Right Actions:91] Re: current govt
>
> Dear Shiou,
> In fact it is not just the Home Minister who is not competent. The entire current government including those seem to be honourable ones are not competent. Look at the appointment of the rural poor minister( with criminal record, though committed in foreign land) , current tourism minister( having so many disputable issues left behind during her tenure as sports minister), non of the current cabinet members have raised an objection or commented in their appoinment to serve the country. That shows, no matter how honourable they are, they all committed an abetment to a weak and useless government. It clearly shows the current leader do not have trust worthy members to serve the country. This is very sad. Our current leader might be a Mr. Nice Guy, but he lack vision.
>
> If there is a change of government, the new government might also not guarantee us an effective, trust worthy, government.
> Therefore, the issue is not about changing government, but the environment of being the government. Every now and then we have street demonstration, will not solve any issue. Consolidate a respectable group to engage discussion with the government is the best option. However, again, surrounding environment within the group, if not truly committed to do service to the country, will open up the temptation of mental corruption during the discussion. ( could be in the form of personal benefit, title awards, and many other forms of temptation). The group of people shall have a very strong personal commitment of honourable of credibility. No hidden agenda, except to serve the country.
> Some of the leaders serving the country, changes their commitment due to circumstancial influence within the environment.
> As such, MPs and the cabinet should have a better pay, so that they need not have to source for side income to enrich themselves.
>
> It might not solve the entire problem (corruption), but the stake is high, should they commit any offence, they tend to lose a lot.
> At the same time, leaders who choses the cabinet members are those who are literily knowledgeable to the role they entrusted instead of those shoe polishers who do not even know how to respond to the people in a wise and smart manner.
> All said, let us not let country be destroyed by not doing anything. We should all voice out our unhappiness in a non confrontational way. Peace and harmony cannot be achieved through hatred or confrontational manner.
> Lets encourage the opposition or any honourable group to engage the government of the day in serving the country with more purpose and care.
> I wish to see all future national events having full participation from all parties, irrespective of race, religion and political affiliation.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Shiou Loh <shiou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Bro Goh,
>
> Actually our civil society needs non-politicians like you to act, and act collectively. We should all deploy civil methods, including Option 2 of the Action Proposal #003, to slowly but steadily bring him down. Spread your words to your friends and family. You could use this common resource when you need to ask your friend to execute the Option 2; The key is to emphasize the incompetence aspect of Syed Hamid while side-step raw emotion about him.
>
> Cheers,
> Shiou
>
>
> Dear Bro Goh,
>
> Actually our civil society needs non-politicians like you to act, and act collectively. We should all deploy civil methods, including Option 2 of the Action Proposal #003, to slowly but steadily bring him down. Spread your words to your friends and family. You could use this common resource when you need to ask your friend to execute the Option 2; The key is to emphasize the incompetence aspect of Syed Hamid while side-step raw emotion about him.
>
> Cheers,
> Shiou
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Bro.Goh <cmgoh6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> I am not a politician but lately, due to so many happenings in our
> country and many of our current cabinet members talking irrelevancy in
> their respond to national issues, i wish to say a few words.
> Our current Home Minister is totally unfit to occupy this position, as
> he has got no idea what his Ministry's role is all about. He neither
> knows about the existence of ISA in the country. He is creating havoc
> and making a mockery of the ISA, which most Malaysians above 40 years
> is fully aware what ISA is for. By the look of this joker's action,
> Our current Home Minister is trying to replace the ISA detention camp
> as a criminal prison without trial. Just like those warlords days.
> So, if our current leader, is truly commited for change, do change the
> Home Minister NOW. Don't wait till power transition (if it ever
> happen).
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear all,
> I am not a politician but lately, due to so many happenings in our
> country and many of our current cabinet members talking irrelevancy in
> their respond to national issues, i wish to say a few words.
> Our current Home Minister is totally unfit to occupy this position, as
> he has got no idea what his Ministry's role is all about. He neither
> knows about the existence of ISA in the country. He is creating havoc
> and making a mockery of the ISA, which most Malaysians above 40 years
> is fully aware what ISA is for. By the look of this joker's action,
> Our current Home Minister is trying to replace the ISA detention camp
> as a criminal prison without trial. Just like those warlords days.
> So, if our current leader, is truly commited for change, do change the
> Home Minister NOW. Don't wait till power transition (if it ever
> happen).
>
>
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jeff goh
Oct 28, 2008, 10:00:13 AM10/28/08
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Hi All Our fellow from singapore will be in kl to distrubute leaflets at klcc for the coming law conference...Can anyone in Kl help to distribute the leaflets.
Basically the leaflets are about rule of law in spore...
Those who can help, please reply to me, I will forward more details..
thank You all
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