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Raven

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Jul 17, 2001, 4:07:23 AM7/17/01
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Okay, don't laugh. I realize that this is a novice level question, but I'd
like to know some thing basic.

If I drop down the context menu in the mailbox tree, there are three kinds
of mailboxes I can create (I know what IMAP is and it's not relevaant for
me). There's mbox, Maildir, and MB. What is the difference between them and
when should each be used. My current method of creating folders and
mailboxes, which I discovered before this code was stable, is to find the
place in the ~/mail directory that I want to place my folder or mailbox in
and either make a new directory to create a folder or issue a touch command
in the appropriate directory to create a mailbox. I then go back to balsa
and rescan the tree.

I'd like to keep the same file format for future mailboxes, but if there is
a working way to get that effect from the balsa interface, I'd be very
happy.

Thanks,

Raven
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Brian Stafford

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Jul 17, 2001, 4:28:12 AM7/17/01
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On Tue, 17 July 09:06 Raven wrote:

> If I drop down the context menu in the mailbox tree, there are three kinds
> of mailboxes I can create (I know what IMAP is and it's not relevaant for
> me). There's mbox, Maildir, and MB. What is the difference between them and
> when should each be used. My current method of creating folders and
> mailboxes, which I discovered before this code was stable, is to find the
> place in the ~/mail directory that I want to place my folder or mailbox in
> and either make a new directory to create a folder or issue a touch command
> in the appropriate directory to create a mailbox. I then go back to balsa
> and rescan the tree.

The only sane mailbox format is maildir, the others are problematic.
Especially mbox. Of them all only maildir is reliable. Don't use the
others unless you need compatibility with other programs. For more on
maildir see http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

Brian Stafford

Raven

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Jul 17, 2001, 5:34:57 PM7/17/01
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On 2001.07.17 03:26 Brian Stafford wrote:
> On Tue, 17 July 09:06 Raven wrote:
>
> > If I drop down the context menu in the mailbox tree, there are three
kinds
> > of mailboxes I can create (I know what IMAP is and it's not relevaant
for
> > me). There's mbox, Maildir, and MB. What is the difference between them
and
> > when should each be used. My current method of creating folders and
> > mailboxes, which I discovered before this code was stable, is to find
the
> > place in the ~/mail directory that I want to place my folder or mailbox
in
> > and either make a new directory to create a folder or issue a touch
command
> > in the appropriate directory to create a mailbox. I then go back to
balsa
> > and rescan the tree.
>
> The only sane mailbox format is maildir, the others are problematic.
> Especially mbox. Of them all only maildir is reliable. Don't use the
> others unless you need compatibility with other programs. For more on
> maildir see http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

Well, having read that web page, I've managed to determine that what I'm
doing isn't maildir. I guess the next questions are:
1) what *am* I doing,
2) is there an interface in balsa so I don't have to do it from gmc,
3) if maildir is really preferred, is there a way to convert my current
mailboxes to that format.

Thanks,

Raven
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<raven...@att.net> <http://home.att.net/~ravens_nest>

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Though everything is lost
We will pay the price
But we will not count the cost

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Brian Stafford

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Jul 18, 2001, 3:50:50 AM7/18/01
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On Tue, 17 July 22:11 Raven wrote:

> > The only sane mailbox format is maildir, the others are problematic.
> > Especially mbox. Of them all only maildir is reliable. Don't use the
> > others unless you need compatibility with other programs. For more on
> > maildir see http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html
>
> Well, having read that web page, I've managed to determine that what I'm
> doing isn't maildir. I guess the next questions are:
> 1) what *am* I doing,

Probably Berkeley mbox. Giveaway is the "From sender@domain Wed, ...."
line seperating messages.

> 2) is there an interface in balsa so I don't have to do it from gmc,

Not sure what you mean here.

> 3) if maildir is really preferred, is there a way to convert my current
> mailboxes to that format.

Try the qmail web pages (maildir was introduced with qmail). There are loads
of links to all kinds of utilities.

http://www.qmail.org/

Brian

Raven

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Jul 18, 2001, 4:20:16 AM7/18/01
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On 2001.07.18 02:49 Brian Stafford wrote:
> On Tue, 17 July 22:11 Raven wrote:
>
> > > For more on maildir see http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html
> >
> > Well, having read that web page, I've managed to determine that what
I'm
> > doing isn't maildir. I guess the next questions are:
> > 1) what *am* I doing,
>
> Probably Berkeley mbox. Giveaway is the "From sender@domain Wed, ...."
> line seperating messages.

Opened a typical mailbox in a text editor. Bingo!

By the way, aren't the balsa boxes (sent, out, draft, trash) and the mail
spool in that format too?

> > 2) is there an interface in balsa so I don't have to do it from gmc,
>
> Not sure what you mean here.

In other words, is there something in balsa's gui to create mailboxes
correctly. Last I checked that code was broken.

> > 3) if maildir is really preferred, is there a way to convert my current
> > mailboxes to that format.
>
> Try the qmail web pages (maildir was introduced with qmail). There are
loads
> of links to all kinds of utilities.
>
> http://www.qmail.org/

I'll look there in the morning (my time US CDT). I've got a couple of other
questions along these lines, but I'll give it a rest for now.

Raven
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Though everything is lost
We will pay the price
But we will not count the cost

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Brian Stafford

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Jul 18, 2001, 4:44:16 AM7/18/01
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On Wed, 18 July 09:18 Raven wrote:

> > Probably Berkeley mbox. Giveaway is the "From sender@domain Wed, ...."
> > line seperating messages.
>
> Opened a typical mailbox in a text editor. Bingo!
>
> By the way, aren't the balsa boxes (sent, out, draft, trash) and the mail
> spool in that format too?

By default they'd seem to be. Probably due to Unix tradition rather
than any actual decision.

> > > 2) is there an interface in balsa so I don't have to do it from gmc,
> >
> > Not sure what you mean here.
>
> In other words, is there something in balsa's gui to create mailboxes
> correctly. Last I checked that code was broken.

You could be right! I've struggled creating maildir boxes now I
come to think of it.

Brian

Carlos Morgado

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Jul 18, 2001, 5:24:13 AM7/18/01
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On 2001.07.18 09:41:28 +0100 Brian Stafford wrote:

>
> > > > 2) is there an interface in balsa so I don't have to do it from gmc,
> > >
> > > Not sure what you mean here.
> >
> > In other words, is there something in balsa's gui to create mailboxes
> > correctly. Last I checked that code was broken.
>
> You could be right! I've struggled creating maildir boxes now I
> come to think of it.
>

it should work now (since something like 1.1.5 .. i forget :)). do
bugzilla if it doesn't.

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