Anyone see todays Wall Street Journal article: Microsoft Using Free Software (or something to that effect)
Hal Snyder
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Jeffrey M. Reed
point made. they're migrating to 2K because 2K is just a
false OS because all MS does is steal the shit from the BSD
platform anyway. think about it. using 2K for mail instead
of FreeBSD? you've got to be kidding. and just where did 2K
acquire this 'amazing' ability to serve up mail/become
remote control/not have to be rebooted. DUH. they stole the
fucking core from BSD and put it in their shit. oh,
wait...i'm sorry...M$ is the leader of innovation.
nice article. it pisses me off.
:)
the only thing good about M$ is they make a decent
GUI...that's it.
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Jeremiah Johnson
There needs to be a license that says something to the effect of "Anyone
can use/buy/sell/modify/distribute this software with or without source
code except Microsoft."
jeremiah();
Alfred Perlstein
> On Monday 18 June 2001 18:45, Hal Snyder wrote:
> > FYA.
> >
> > Migrating Microsoft® Hotmail® from FreeBSD to Microsoft
> > Windows® 2000 Technical Case Study
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/migration/hotmail/hotapp
> >.asp
> >
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> point made. they're migrating to 2K because 2K is just a
No actually they migrated because thier sales people kept getting
laughed at because Hotmail was running on something other than win2k.
> the only thing good about M$ is they make a decent
> GUI...that's it.
Not that X is so wonderful, but please.. The MS windows GUI is
boring, and overbearing, it lacks remote display without add-on
and there's very little flexiblity in what your desktop can do.
The look and feel of Windows sucks rocks, the only thing they(*)
got right was being able to do a decent job with drag and drop.
(*) by they, I mean Apple of course. :)
-Alfred
Jeffrey M. Reed
any of this. it just makes me mad/laugh that people are
dumb enough to buy into that .net/hotmail/subscription
based bullshit and other stuff. if you use it, i really
don't care. in fact, M$ has been swell about helping the
economy and all that shit...helping people get jobs. i just
can't stand the fact that while 2K is decent, 'Me' is a
piece of crap and they sell it to these poor stupid
AOL/email people (hey, what the hell...i used to be one)
and they slap the all-american M$ label on it and...ARGH!
i'm not making any points here so screw it.
go program something already.
:)
besides, a devil is much more macho than a gay little
pastel colored window or something dumb called
'Me'...fucking marketing geniouses.
>:\
and, i have nothing against gay people either...as long as
they're not playing loud GAY music that i can hear.
hehehhehehhe.
On Tuesday 19 June 2001 21:42, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> From: "Jeremiah Johnson" <jjoh...@au.yahoo-inc.com>
> Subject: RE: Anyone see todays Wall Street Journal
> article: Microsoft Using Free Software (or something to
> that effect) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:03:46 +1000
>
> > That's the BSD license for ya.
> >
> > There needs to be a license that says something to the
> > effect of "Anyone can use/buy/sell/modify/distribute
> > this software with or without source code except
> > Microsoft."
>
> Why? I'd personally be happy if Microsoft software was
> made a lot easier to use by incorporating BSD stuff.
> Imagine, a Windows 2000 firewall that didn't suck rocks,
> or DHCP renegotiation that didn't drop all my active
> connections by default when my modem hung up
> unexpectedly... It would be nice!
>
> The only thing people are really slamming Microsoft here
> is being hypocritical. Actually using BSD code is an
> action I support for any value of the licensee string. :)
>
> - Jordan
>
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Jeroen Massar
> > That's the BSD license for ya.
> >
> > There needs to be a license that says something to the
> effect of "Anyone
> > can use/buy/sell/modify/distribute this software with or
> without source code except Microsoft."
>
> Why? I'd personally be happy if Microsoft software was made a lot
> easier to use by incorporating BSD stuff. Imagine, a Windows 2000
> firewall that didn't suck rocks, or DHCP renegotiation that didn't
> drop all my active connections by default when my modem hung up
> unexpectedly... It would be nice!
Heheh..... just looks like that Wallstreet journal thingy... complaining
without even looking into it and
thus stating loose unfounded facts, making you look very silly IMHO.
That guy claiming to be from spider did clear up some facts now didn't
it.
I don't know what you define by "ease of use", but that's probably
personal and depends on what you
want to use something for and not to forget how to use it :)
You might like to type a 'netsh.exe' to come into the Net Shell with all
kinds of nice commands, you'll prolly like it :)
For your "unexpected hang ups":
Q239924 - How to Disable Media Sense for TCP/IP in Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q239/9/24.ASP
"Description: This parameter controls DHCP Media Sense behavior. If you
set this value data to 1, DHCP, and even non-DHCP, clients ignore Media
Sense events from the interface. By default, Media Sense events trigger
the DHCP client to take an action, such as attempting to obtain a lease
(when a connect event occurs), or invalidating the interface and routes
(when a disconnect event occurs)."
Which will fix your problems... You should really start using MSDN (or
google which will also find it) instead of complaining without doing the
proper research... In the unix/bsd/* world they call that RTFM -> nicely
said: Read The Faq and Manual, oh and don't forget to understand it
either...
Just for the reference: http://msdn.microsoft.com -> search on
"disconnect tcp ip 2000" et voila the second the link, yes you need to
now the good searching terms but that's required too when one uses
google or others :)
On another note... something I already mailed in the former discussions:
Port from UNIX to Win32:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/devprods/vs6/visualc/vccore/_core_port
_from_unix_to_win32.htm
And for the rest.... using BSD sockets is quite easy one only needs to
open the winsock.dll and as it's
using the BSD API it's quite easy to port it and winsock also allows
ease of use with IPX, XNS, DECnet and
others... Native NT/Win32 apps are usually written with the use of
Events (WSAEventSelect() etc...) but that's
a completely different subject, altough it also shows a bit of the part
of the internal workings of the stack
as they surely won't do a select() on filedescripts, though it looks the
same it ain't :)
> The only thing people are really slamming Microsoft here is being
> hypocritical. Actually using BSD code is an action I support for any
> value of the licensee string. :)
Microsoft Windows BSD.... naah... though you could make a BSD subsystem
and plug that straight into NT...
But that's what they have the POSIX subsystem for and not to forget
Interix (http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/interix/).
Hopes that clears some of the mess up for you.
Greets,
Jeroen
Greg Lehey
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On Wednesday, 20 June 2001 at 11:16:18 +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> Jordan Hubbard <j...@osd.bsdi.com> wrote:
>>> That's the BSD license for ya.
>>>
>>> There needs to be a license that says something to the effect of
>>> "Anyone can use/buy/sell/modify/distribute this software with or
>>> without source code except Microsoft."
>>
>> Why? I'd personally be happy if Microsoft software was made a lot
>> easier to use by incorporating BSD stuff. Imagine, a Windows 2000
>> firewall that didn't suck rocks, or DHCP renegotiation that didn't
>> drop all my active connections by default when my modem hung up
>> unexpectedly... It would be nice!
>
> Heheh..... just looks like that Wallstreet journal thingy...
> complaining without even looking into it and thus stating loose
> unfounded facts, making you look very silly IMHO.
It does? The article was written in cooperation with the FreeBSD
project, and I think it was very well done. Perhaps you have some
details you're withholding.
> I don't know what you define by "ease of use", but that's probably
> personal and depends on what you want to use something for and not
> to forget how to use it :)
OK, try replying to this message with your broken MUA and *fix* *up*
all the breakage it causes. People don't do it because it's too
difficult. I did it with my setup because I can't read it otherwise,
and it's not too difficult. Which is easy to use?
> You might like to type a 'netsh.exe' to come into the Net Shell with
> all kinds of nice commands, you'll prolly like it :)
I strongly doubt it.
> For your "unexpected hang ups":
> Q239924 - How to Disable Media Sense for TCP/IP in Windows 2000
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q239/9/24.ASP
>
> "Description: This parameter controls DHCP Media Sense behavior. If you
> set this value data to 1, DHCP, and even non-DHCP, clients ignore Media
> Sense events from the interface. By default, Media Sense events trigger
> the DHCP client to take an action, such as attempting to obtain a lease
> (when a connect event occurs), or invalidating the interface and routes
> (when a disconnect event occurs)."
>
> Which will fix your problems... You should really start using MSDN (or
> google which will also find it) instead of complaining without doing the
> proper research... In the unix/bsd/* world they call that RTFM -> nicely
> said: Read The Faq and Manual, oh and don't forget to understand it
> either...
Well, no, what Jordan was referring to was a bug, not a feature. And
we don't need MSDN. We don't need Microsoft.
> On another note... something I already mailed in the former discussions:
> Port from UNIX to Win32:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/devprods/vs6/visualc/vccore/_core_port
> _from_unix_to_win32.htm
Your MUA broke the URL. Microsoft broke the page. It comes out blank
on my browser. Maybe it's "optimized" to use Microsoft-only browsers.
> And for the rest.... using BSD sockets is quite easy one only needs
> to open the winsock.dll
What will you find inside?
> and as it's using the BSD API it's quite easy to port it and winsock
> also allows ease of use with IPX, XNS, DECnet and others... Native
> NT/Win32 apps are usually written with the use of Events
> (WSAEventSelect() etc...) but that's a completely different subject,
> altough it also shows a bit of the part of the internal workings of
> the stack as they surely won't do a select() on filedescripts,
> though it looks the same it ain't :)
I'm not sure what you're referring to. Recall that people here don't
use Microsoft.
>> The only thing people are really slamming Microsoft here is being
>> hypocritical. Actually using BSD code is an action I support for any
>> value of the licensee string. :)
>
> Microsoft Windows BSD.... naah... though you could make a BSD
> subsystem and plug that straight into NT... But that's what they
> have the POSIX subsystem for and not to forget Interix
> (http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/interix/).
You're missing the point.
> Hopes that clears some of the mess up for you.
Not really. You seem to have completely missed the point, and I had
to clean up your mess for you.
Greg
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