Re: ASP to PHP.. much learning curve?
Alexandro Colorado
wrote:
> This may be a really dumb question, but I see more and more discussions
> on
> the php side than asp. Is asp dying? What is the advantage to php? Is
> there
> much to learn different than asp? I am not a program at any level, mostly
> just hack away at very basic stuff and rely mostly on extensions. I have
> built a number of sites that are multi lingual and have allot of result
> type
> pages that are a result of queries and that type of thing. Is it time to
> make the move to php? Is there a reason to?
> thanks for your thoughts
> Michael
>
>
ASP is diying. Microsoft is migrating everything to ASP.NET so ASP is not
diying now but soon.
PHP is open source meaning you dont pay a license fee to use it, for that
is much more supported and extended than any other server model. PHP have
so much support on forums, mailing lists, API extensions and
implementations that many developers are migrating to it.
Our company currently support Dreamweaver extensions on ASP and PHP and
the gross of the demand come from PHP developers that want to implement
things faster and focus on extending their solutions cuting time and cost.
If you want to migrate to PHP this might be a good scenario for you since
the process is the same for ASP and PHP but the actual code changes and
you can verify the similarities and differences on both coding styles.
PHP is also cheaper to deploy since you can use Linux servers which are
more robust, virus-proof and also much more stables so your hosting
company will have better quality service (no downtime) at a cheaper cost.
You can see our products here:
http://www.interaktonline.com/Products/Dreamweaver-Extensions/
--
Alexandro Colorado
------------------------------
Support Engineer
InterAKT Online
http://www.interaktonline.com
Tel: 40(21) 312.5312
Michael
JamesR
ASP and integrating into a DB - stepping up to ASP.NET is not that big a
jump..
Also... although ASP isn't being 'active developed' as a concern by
microsoft... many many people, developers and site still use it...
In terms of making the thing work - ASP functions in much the same way as
PHP, ASP.NET and coldfusion.. They all have benefits and drawbacks... it's
personal choice really..
Alex is right in that ASP tends to be running on Windows based servers which
from my experience are more expensive to get hosting on, and also tend to
fall over more often that Linux based machines...
That said, I'm ASP and ASP.NET through and through - but not because of any
one reason - just I tried to learn ASP and PHP at the same time a few years
ago... started to understand ASP a lot easier (for me - not everyone) than
PHP and stuck with it. when ASP.NET came along.. it was easier to move to
that than try and use PHP (for me personally)....
It's a bit like the other couple of debates on here now and again:
Mac V Pc
Internet Explorer V other Net Browsers
James
Michael
Thanks
What do you mean by this "want to implement things faster and focus on
extending their solutions cutting time and cost." why is it faster and how
does it cut time and cost"?
thanks
Michael
"Alexandro Colorado" <acol...@interaktonline.com> wrote in message
news:opsi3kspcvrohbc4@acolorado...
darrel
Michael
How much different is asp.net than asp? Will the extensions I have for asp
work with them? The ones I have purchased, do many of the developers have
migration or replacement extensions or do you to bite the bullet and buy
them again? I am now really backlogged on work and the thought of learning
another system is daunting, but I am afraid if I continue to use asp, I will
have to rework them all later anyway and any extensions will be a waste if I
can only use them for a short time.. oh well who needs sleep anyway...
thanks again
michael
"JamesR" <NOS...@patchworkmedia.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cps4a4$suu$1...@forums.macromedia.com...
JamesR
be available for years to come.
ASP.NET is different from ASP (obviously) but there are similarlies in the
code...
Your existing sites will continue to work just fine..
Moving from ASp is going to be a 'sooner rather than later' type of
exercise, but even now I find I do a whole load of things quicker by writing
them in ASP than using .NET
James
"Michael" <michael...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cps8c0$4c8$1...@forums.macromedia.com...
Bridon123
you. Microsoft will eventually kill off asp in favor of asp.net. However if you
wanted to stay with MS you could learn asp.net but the learning curve is steep
from classic asp to asp.net. It would be easier to switch to php, the syntax is
slightly similar and the coding methods you use in classic asp are similar in
php.
Michael Fesser
>This may be a really dumb question, but I see more and more discussions on
>the php side than asp. Is asp dying?
Don't know (and actually I don't care because I don't use it and don't
plan to).
>What is the advantage to php?
I wouldn't say that there are any real advantages. It's more or less a
matter of personal taste and preferences. Some people (like me) prefer
Open Source software and *nix (Unix/Linux) based systems, others might
prefer Windows.
>Is there much to learn different than asp?
It's quite easy if you have programmed before. In most cases the main
differences between several languages are just of syntactical nature.
Of course you have to learn how to use the provided standard libraries
and built-in features, which may take some time.
>I am not a program at any level,
Hmm, not good.
>mostly
>just hack away at very basic stuff and rely mostly on extensions.
There are some problems with that:
* not every problem can be solved with an extension
* extensions may solve a specific part of your problem, but not another
* the given code restricts yourself if you're not able to extend it
If you want to write scripts and develop your own web-based applications
then I _strongly_ recommend to learn how to do it _without_ extensions.
If you understand what an extension does _and_ if you are able to
reproduce it with your own code then you can really do whatever you want
without beeing limited to the capabilities of 3rd-party code.
And BTW: The code generated by some extensions really hurts the eye,
sometimes it's even insecure and unreliable. Personally I prefer using
my own code, because I know its strong and weak points and how it works.
>I have
>built a number of sites that are multi lingual and have allot of result type
>pages that are a result of queries and that type of thing. Is it time to
>make the move to php? Is there a reason to?
Personal preference. What you can do in ASP you can do in PHP as well
and vice versa.
Micha