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Π“Π‘Ρ‚ΠΎΡ˜Π°Π½ΠΎΠ²

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Π—Π° ΠšΠΎΠ½ΠΈΠΊΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡ‚ΠΈ Π΅Π²Π°Π½Π³Π΅Π»ΠΈΠ΅, ΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΌΠΎΠ»Ρ‡Π°Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Ρ„Π°ΠΊΡ‚ΠΈ, Π΄ΠΎΠΊΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π½Π° Ρ‚Ρ€Π°Ρ˜Π½Π°
Ρ€Π΅ΡΡ‚Π°Π²Ρ€Π°Ρ†ΠΈΡ˜Π°, Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΌΡƒ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΠΏΠ°Ρ“Π° макСдонскиот јазик ΠΈ ΠΈΡΡ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΡ˜Π°, ΠΈ
слично:

http://www.slav.helsinki.fi/publications/sh/sh35/15.pdf

Π§Π΅Ρ„ΠΎ

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Mar 2, 2009, 7:17:26β€―AM3/2/09
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Poor sensationalism..!

"ΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΌΠΎΠ»Ρ‡Π°Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Ρ„Π°ΠΊΡ‚ΠΈ"...
Кои? The Ivanov's assumption that the whole (printed) book had
existed? БмСшно.

"Π΄ΠΎΠΊΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π½Π° Ρ‚Ρ€Π°Ρ˜Π½Π° Ρ€Π΅ΡΡ‚Π°Π²Ρ€Π°Ρ†ΠΈΡ˜Π°"...
Π”Π°, ΠΈΠΌΠ° Π΄ΠΎΠΊΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚ΠΈ, ΠΊΠΎΠΈΡ‚ΠΎ с Π³ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈ Π½Π΅ сС Π΄ΠΎΡ€Π΅ΠΆΠ΄Π°Ρ‚ Π΄ΠΎ рСставрация,
Π²ΡŠΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΊΠΈ Ρ‡Π΅ ΠΎΡ‚Π΄Π°Π²Π½Π° сС "рСставрират". Π• ΠΈ?
Π’Π°ΠΊΠΈΠ²Π° ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠΈ ΠΈΠΌΠ° Π½Π΅ Π΅Π΄Π½Π° Π±ΠΈΠ±Π»ΠΈΠΎΡ‚Π΅ΠΊΠ°. ΠšΠΎΠ³Π°Ρ‚ΠΎ Π² ΠΊΡ€Π°ΠΉΠ½Π° смСтка, слСд
Π΄Π²Π΅ Π³ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈ всС ΠΏΠ°ΠΊ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Π²Π° Π΄ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŠΠΏ Π΄ΠΎ Ρ‚ΡŠΡ€ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΡ periodical, Π½Π΅ Π·Π°Ρ‰ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ Π΅
Ρ‡Π°ΠΊΠ°Π» Π΄Π²Π΅ Π³ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈ, Π° Π·Π°Ρ‰ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ слСд Π΄Π²Π΅ Π³ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈ ΠΏΠ°ΠΊ Π΅ Π² Бофия ΠΈ ΠΏΠ°ΠΊ ΠΏΠΈΡ‚Π° Π·Π°
Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ, Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ всС ΠΏΠ°ΠΊ Π³ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Π²Π°, Π²ΡŠΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΊΠΈ Π»ΠΎΡˆΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ ΠΌΡƒ ΡΡŠΡΡ‚ΠΎΡΠ½ΠΈΠ΅. И
ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΎ слСдва ΠΎΡ‚ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ²Π°..? Какво Π΅ Π·Π½Π°Ρ‡Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΎ Π½Π° тая инвСстигативна
субистория..? - Π›ΠΎΡˆΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π±ΡŠΠ»Π³Π°Ρ€ΠΈ крият Π΄ΠΎΠΊΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ (ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€ΠΈΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡ‡Π½ΠΎ ΠΈΠ·Π΄Π°Π½ΠΈΠ΅
ΠΎΡ‚ 1917(!)).., Π½ΠΎ Π·Π°Ρ‚ΠΎΠ²Π° пък Π΄Ρ€ΡƒΠ³Π° ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎ-Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π° вСрсия Π½Π° ΠΏΡƒΠ±Π»ΠΈΠΊΡƒΠ²Π°Π½ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ
Π² Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ, Ρ†ΠΈΡ‚ΠΈΡ€Π°Π½Π° ΠΎΡ‚ Π±ΡŠΠ»Π³Π°Ρ€ΡΠΊΠΈ ΡƒΡ‡Π΅Π½ (Π”Π°Π½ΠΎΠ²Π°), ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Π»Π° ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎ-лСсно Π΄Π°
сС ΠΏΠΎΡ€ΡŠΡ‡Π° ΠΎΡ‚ ΠŸΡ€Π°Π³Π° Π½Π° Ρ†Π΄... Π•Ρ…, Π·Π° ΠΌΠ°Π»ΠΊΠΎ Π΄Π° станС ΠΎΡ‚ Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ Π΅Π΄ΠΈΠ½
Индиана ДТоунс! ΠŸΡ€ΠΎΠ±ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΠ» сС ΠΈ с Π΄ΠΎΠΏΠΎΡ‚ΠΎΠΏΠ½Π°Ρ‚Π° Народната Π±ΠΈΠ±Π»ΠΈΠΎΡ‚Π΅ΠΊΠ° ΠΈ
ΠΎΡ‚ΠΊΡ€ΠΈΠ» ΠΈ ΠΎΡ‚Π΄Π°Π²Π½Π° ΠΎΡ‚ΠΊΡ€ΠΈΡ‚ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ Π² ΠŸΡ€Π°Π³Π°, Π΄Π°Ρ€Π΅Π½ΠΎ Ρ‚Π°ΠΌ Π½Π΅ ΠΎΡ‚ ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π΄Ρ€ΡƒΠ³ΠΈΠ³ΠΎ, Π°ΠΌΠΈ
ΠΎΡ‚ "Macedonian" scholar ΠšΠΎΠ½ΡΡ‚Π°Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΠ½ ΠŸΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡ‡. Π“Π»Π΅Π΄Π°ΠΉ Ρ‚ΠΈ... Ний Π΄Ρ€ΡƒΠ³ΠΎ
Π·Π½Π°Π΅ΠΌ Π·Π° ΠŸΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡ‡,
http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
, Π°ΠΌΠ° Π°ΠΉΠ΄Π΅, "ΠΌΠ°Ρ†Π΅Π΄ΠΎΠ½ΠΈΠ°Π½" ΠΌΠΎΠΆ Π΄Π° Π΅ ΠΏΠΎ-Π±Π»Π°Π³ΠΎΠ·Π²ΡƒΡ‡Π½ΠΎ ΠΎΡ‚ ΠŸΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡ‡Π΅Π²ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ "Π·Π°
нас Π±ΡŠΠ»Π³Π°Ρ€ΠΈΡ‚Π΅" ΠΈ Π½Π΅ΠΌΠ° Π΄Π° придирямС..

И Π½Π°ΠΊΡ€Π°ΠΉ... "Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΌΡƒ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΠΏΠ°Ρ“Π° макСдонскиот јазик ΠΈ ΠΈΡΡ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΡ˜Π°"... ?
НСкорСктно поставСн Π²ΡŠΠΏΡ€ΠΎΡ. Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ Π΅ Ρ„ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΡƒΠ»ΠΈΡ€Π°Π» ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠ°Ρ‚Π° ΠΏΠΎ-Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π΅:
There was an ethical pitfall here. (Мдаа..) The Konikovo Gospel is the
oldestsomething or a unique-something only if it is defined as
Macedonian. In the history of the Bulgarian language the Gospel would
not occupy such a central position, except perhaps from the
dialectological point of view. Did I identify the manuscript as
Macedonian so as to make bigger news? 'The oldest Gospel in Modern
Macedonian' sounds much better than 'a curious Bulgarian Gospel in a
southwestern dialect'. My answer is that I had regarded the dialects
in question as Macedonian long before I knew anything of Manuscript
268.
Ами Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π΅, Ρ‰ΠΎΠΌ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΠ° смята Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚, Π°Π· наистина нямам Π½ΠΈΡ‰ΠΎ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΡ‚ΠΈΠ². И Π°Π·
считам Π΄ΠΈΠ°Π»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚Π° Π½Π° тоя "госпСл" Π·Π° макСдонски ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΠΎ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΡŠΠ² тоя does
not occupy such a central position in the history of the Bulgarian
language, except perhaps from the dialectological point of view.
ΠžΡΡ‚Π°Π½Π°Π»Π°Ρ‚Π° ΠΏΡ€Π΅Π΄Π²Π·Π΅Ρ‚Π° ΠΌΠΎΡ€Π°Π»Π½Π° прСтСнция ΠΈ инвСстигативСн
ΡΠ΅Π½Π·Π°Ρ†ΠΈΠΎΠ½Π°Π»ΠΈΠ·ΡŠΠΌ ΠΎΠ±Π°Ρ‡Π΅ са ΠΌΠΈ Π΅ ΠΌΠ°Π»ΠΊΠΎ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΈΡ‡Π½ΠΈ...

Π“Π‘Ρ‚ΠΎΡ˜Π°Π½ΠΎΠ²

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Mar 3, 2009, 10:03:03β€―AM3/3/09
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Π§Π΅Ρ„ΠΎ,

Π’ΠΎΠ° ΡˆΡ‚ΠΎ Π³ΠΎ Ρ†ΠΈΡ‚ΠΈΡ€Π°Ρˆ Π΅ Π΄Π΅Π» ΠΎΠ΄ Π°Ρ€Π³ΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚Π°Ρ†ΠΈΡ˜Π°Ρ‚Π° (Π½Π΅Π³Π°Ρ‚ΠΈΠ²Π½Π°Ρ‚Π°, Π·Π½Π°Ρ‡ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΈ
Π½Π°ΠΏΠ°Π΄ΠΈ Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄ΡˆΡ‚Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΎΡ‡Π΅ΠΊΡƒΠ²Π°Π»). НСговиот став ΠΏΠΎ ΠΎΠ²Π° ΠΏΡ€Π°ΡˆΠ°ΡšΠ΅ Π΅:

One ethical principle in linguistics should be that a language,
including its
historical tradition, primarily belongs to its speakers, especially
the native
speakers. This was the main reason for calling the language of the
Konikovo
Gospel Macedonian.

И јас сосСма сС согласувам со овој став.


On Mar 2, 7:17Β am, Π§Π΅Ρ„ΠΎ <tsch...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Poor sensationalism..!
>
> "ΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΌΠΎΠ»Ρ‡Π°Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Ρ„Π°ΠΊΡ‚ΠΈ"...
> Кои? The Ivanov's assumption that the whole (printed) book had
> existed? БмСшно.
>
> "Π΄ΠΎΠΊΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π½Π° Ρ‚Ρ€Π°Ρ˜Π½Π° Ρ€Π΅ΡΡ‚Π°Π²Ρ€Π°Ρ†ΠΈΡ˜Π°"...
> Π”Π°, ΠΈΠΌΠ° Π΄ΠΎΠΊΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚ΠΈ, ΠΊΠΎΠΈΡ‚ΠΎ с Π³ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈ Π½Π΅ сС Π΄ΠΎΡ€Π΅ΠΆΠ΄Π°Ρ‚ Π΄ΠΎ рСставрация,
> Π²ΡŠΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΊΠΈ Ρ‡Π΅ ΠΎΡ‚Π΄Π°Π²Π½Π° сС "рСставрират". Π• ΠΈ?
> Π’Π°ΠΊΠΈΠ²Π° ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠΈ ΠΈΠΌΠ° Π½Π΅ Π΅Π΄Π½Π° Π±ΠΈΠ±Π»ΠΈΠΎΡ‚Π΅ΠΊΠ°. ΠšΠΎΠ³Π°Ρ‚ΠΎ Π² ΠΊΡ€Π°ΠΉΠ½Π° смСтка, слСд
> Π΄Π²Π΅ Π³ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈ всС ΠΏΠ°ΠΊ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Π²Π° Π΄ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŠΠΏ Π΄ΠΎ Ρ‚ΡŠΡ€ΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΡ periodical, Π½Π΅ Π·Π°Ρ‰ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ Π΅
> Ρ‡Π°ΠΊΠ°Π» Π΄Π²Π΅ Π³ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈ, Π° Π·Π°Ρ‰ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ слСд Π΄Π²Π΅ Π³ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΈ ΠΏΠ°ΠΊ Π΅ Π² Бофия ΠΈ ΠΏΠ°ΠΊ ΠΏΠΈΡ‚Π° Π·Π°
> Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ, Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ всС ΠΏΠ°ΠΊ Π³ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Π²Π°, Π²ΡŠΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΊΠΈ Π»ΠΎΡˆΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ ΠΌΡƒ ΡΡŠΡΡ‚ΠΎΡΠ½ΠΈΠ΅. И
> ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΎ слСдва ΠΎΡ‚ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ²Π°..? Какво Π΅ Π·Π½Π°Ρ‡Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΎ Π½Π° тая инвСстигативна
> субистория..? - Π›ΠΎΡˆΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π±ΡŠΠ»Π³Π°Ρ€ΠΈ крият Π΄ΠΎΠΊΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ (ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€ΠΈΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡ‡Π½ΠΎ ΠΈΠ·Π΄Π°Π½ΠΈΠ΅
> ΠΎΡ‚ 1917(!)).., Π½ΠΎ Π·Π°Ρ‚ΠΎΠ²Π° пък Π΄Ρ€ΡƒΠ³Π° ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎ-Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π° вСрсия Π½Π° ΠΏΡƒΠ±Π»ΠΈΠΊΡƒΠ²Π°Π½ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ
> Π² Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ, Ρ†ΠΈΡ‚ΠΈΡ€Π°Π½Π° ΠΎΡ‚ Π±ΡŠΠ»Π³Π°Ρ€ΡΠΊΠΈ ΡƒΡ‡Π΅Π½ (Π”Π°Π½ΠΎΠ²Π°), ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Π»Π° ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎ-лСсно Π΄Π°
> сС ΠΏΠΎΡ€ΡŠΡ‡Π° ΠΎΡ‚ ΠŸΡ€Π°Π³Π° Π½Π° Ρ†Π΄... Π•Ρ…, Π·Π° ΠΌΠ°Π»ΠΊΠΎ Π΄Π° станС ΠΎΡ‚ Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ Π΅Π΄ΠΈΠ½
> Индиана ДТоунс! ΠŸΡ€ΠΎΠ±ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΠ» сС ΠΈ с Π΄ΠΎΠΏΠΎΡ‚ΠΎΠΏΠ½Π°Ρ‚Π° Народната Π±ΠΈΠ±Π»ΠΈΠΎΡ‚Π΅ΠΊΠ° ΠΈ
> ΠΎΡ‚ΠΊΡ€ΠΈΠ» ΠΈ ΠΎΡ‚Π΄Π°Π²Π½Π° ΠΎΡ‚ΠΊΡ€ΠΈΡ‚ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ Π² ΠŸΡ€Π°Π³Π°, Π΄Π°Ρ€Π΅Π½ΠΎ Ρ‚Π°ΠΌ Π½Π΅ ΠΎΡ‚ ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ Π΄Ρ€ΡƒΠ³ΠΈΠ³ΠΎ, Π°ΠΌΠΈ
> ΠΎΡ‚ "Macedonian" scholar ΠšΠΎΠ½ΡΡ‚Π°Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΠ½ ΠŸΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡ‡. Π“Π»Π΅Π΄Π°ΠΉ Ρ‚ΠΈ... Ний Π΄Ρ€ΡƒΠ³ΠΎ

> Π·Π½Π°Π΅ΠΌ Π·Π° ΠŸΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡ‡,http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%...


> , Π°ΠΌΠ° Π°ΠΉΠ΄Π΅, "ΠΌΠ°Ρ†Π΅Π΄ΠΎΠ½ΠΈΠ°Π½" ΠΌΠΎΠΆ Π΄Π° Π΅ ΠΏΠΎ-Π±Π»Π°Π³ΠΎΠ·Π²ΡƒΡ‡Π½ΠΎ ΠΎΡ‚ ΠŸΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ²ΠΈΡ‡Π΅Π²ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ "Π·Π°
> нас Π±ΡŠΠ»Π³Π°Ρ€ΠΈΡ‚Π΅" ΠΈ Π½Π΅ΠΌΠ° Π΄Π° придирямС..
>
> И Π½Π°ΠΊΡ€Π°ΠΉ... "Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΌΡƒ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΠΏΠ°Ρ“Π° макСдонскиот јазик ΠΈ ΠΈΡΡ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΡ˜Π°"... ?
> НСкорСктно поставСн Π²ΡŠΠΏΡ€ΠΎΡ. Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ Π΅ Ρ„ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΡƒΠ»ΠΈΡ€Π°Π» ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠ°Ρ‚Π° ΠΏΠΎ-Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π΅:
> There was an ethical pitfall here. (Мдаа..) The Konikovo Gospel is the
> oldestsomething or a unique-something only if it is defined as
> Macedonian. In the history of the Bulgarian language the Gospel would
> not occupy such a central position, except perhaps from the
> dialectological point of view. Did I identify the manuscript as
> Macedonian so as to make bigger news? 'The oldest Gospel in Modern
> Macedonian' sounds much better than 'a curious Bulgarian Gospel in a
> southwestern dialect'. My answer is that I had regarded the dialects
> in question as Macedonian long before I knew anything of Manuscript
> 268.
> Ами Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π΅, Ρ‰ΠΎΠΌ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΠ° смята Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚, Π°Π· наистина нямам Π½ΠΈΡ‰ΠΎ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΡ‚ΠΈΠ². И Π°Π·
> считам Π΄ΠΈΠ°Π»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚Π° Π½Π° тоя "госпСл" Π·Π° макСдонски ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΠΎ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΡŠΠ² тоя does
> not occupy such a central position in the history of the Bulgarian
> language, except perhaps from the dialectological point of view.
> ΠžΡΡ‚Π°Π½Π°Π»Π°Ρ‚Π° ΠΏΡ€Π΅Π΄Π²Π·Π΅Ρ‚Π° ΠΌΠΎΡ€Π°Π»Π½Π° прСтСнция ΠΈ инвСстигативСн
> ΡΠ΅Π½Π·Π°Ρ†ΠΈΠΎΠ½Π°Π»ΠΈΠ·ΡŠΠΌ ΠΎΠ±Π°Ρ‡Π΅ са ΠΌΠΈ Π΅ ΠΌΠ°Π»ΠΊΠΎ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΈΡ‡Π½ΠΈ...
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> On Mar 1, 2:08 pm, Π“Π‘Ρ‚ΠΎΡ˜Π°Π½ΠΎΠ² <GoranAStoja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Π—Π° ΠšΠΎΠ½ΠΈΠΊΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡ‚ΠΈ Π΅Π²Π°Π½Π³Π΅Π»ΠΈΠ΅, ΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΌΠΎΠ»Ρ‡Π°Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Ρ„Π°ΠΊΡ‚ΠΈ, Π΄ΠΎΠΊΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π½Π° Ρ‚Ρ€Π°Ρ˜Π½Π°
> > Ρ€Π΅ΡΡ‚Π°Π²Ρ€Π°Ρ†ΠΈΡ˜Π°, Π½Π° ΠΊΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΌΡƒ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΠΏΠ°Ρ“Π° макСдонскиот јазик ΠΈ ΠΈΡΡ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΡ˜Π°, ΠΈ
> > слично:
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Mar 3, 2009, 2:01:23β€―PM3/3/09
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Π”ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎ, Ρ‰ΠΎΠΌ Π΅ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΠ°, Π·Π°Ρ‰ΠΎ ΠΎΠΏΡ€Π΅Π΄Π΅Π»Π±Π°Ρ‚Π° Π½Π° Π½Π΅ΠΉΡ‚ΠΈΠ² ΡΠΏΠΈΠΉΠΊΡŠΡ€ ПавСл
БоТигропски Π·Π° Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ Π΄Π° Π½Π΅ Π΅ ΠΎΡ‚ Π·Π½Π°Ρ‡Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅??
НСли historical tradition, primarily belongs to its speakers,
especially the native speakers...
Π‘Π»Π°Π±Π»Π°Π±Π»Π°.
Одил Π»Π°Π½ΠΈ Π²ΠΎ СгСйската ΠΊΡ€ΡŠΡ‡ΠΌΠ° ΠΈ Ρ‚Π°ΠΌ ΠΌΡƒ ΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»ΠΈ, Ρ‡Π΅ Π·Π±ΠΎΡ€Π°Ρ‚
макСдонски. Π”ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎ, дСнСс ΠΌΠΎΠΆ Π΄Π° Π΅ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΠ°, Π°ΠΌΠ° Π·Π°Ρ‰ΠΎ БоТигропски Π΄Π° Π½Π΅ Π³ΠΎ
СсапимС...?
Разваля ΠΏΠ΅ΠΉΠ·Π°ΠΆΠ°Ρ‚Π°?
Ма Π½Π΅ ΠΌΠΈ Π΅ Ρ‡ΡƒΠ΄Π½ΠΎ, Ρ‡Π΅ Π›ΠΈΠ½Π΄Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΈΠΌΠ° Π³ΡƒΠ·Π½Π° ΡΡŠΠ²Π΅ΡΡ‚, Ρ‡Π΅ Π³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡ€ΠΈ
Π·Π° Π΅Ρ‚ΠΈΠΊΠ°, Ρ‡Π΅ написал Ρ†Π΅Π»Π° статия Π΄Π° сС обяснява...
ΠšΡƒΡ†Π° ΠΌΡƒ аргумСнтацията!

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Π‘Π½ΠΎΡ‰ΠΈ Π³Π»Π΅Π΄Π°Ρ… Мюзикайдъл . Π˜ΠΌΠ°Ρ‰Π΅ ΠΈΠ·Π±ΠΎΡ€ Π½Π° 10 ΠΌΠ»Π°Π΄ΠΈ ΠΌΠ°ΠΊΠ΅Π΄ΠΎΠ½Ρ†ΠΈ Π·Π°
послСдния Ρ‚ΡƒΡ€ Π² Бофия.
Π•Π΄ΠΈΠ½ ΠΌΠ»Π°Π΄ ΠΌΠ°ΠΊΠ΅Π΄ΠΎΠ½Π΅Ρ† - 19 годишСн Π²Π·Π΅ Ρ‡Π΅ ΠΈΠ·Ρ‚ΡŠΡ€ΡΠΈ - .." Π°Π±Π΅ нас Π½ΠΈ
ΡƒΡ‡Π°Ρ‚ ,Ρ‡Π΅ някога смС Π±ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ Π΅Π΄ΠΈΠ½ Π½Π°Ρ€ΠΎΠ΄...".
Кой Π³ΠΎ ΠΏΠΈΡ‚Π° какъв Π΅ Π±ΠΈΠ» дядо ΠΌΡƒ? Кой Π³ΠΈ ΡƒΡ‡ΠΈ Π½Π° Ρ‚ΠΎΠ²Π° Π² МакСдония? КъдС
Π΅ ΡΡ€ΡŠΠ±ΡΠΊΠ°Ρ‚Π° Π΄ΡŠΡ€ΠΆΠ°Π²Π½Π° сигурност сС ΠΏΠΈΡ‚Π°ΠΌ?
Π’ΠΎΠ²Π° ΠΌΠΎΠΌΡ‡Π΅ Π΅ Π²Π΅Ρ‡Π΅ ΠΏΡŠΠ»Π½ΠΎΠ»Π΅Ρ‚Π½ΠΎ ΠΈ Π±ΠΈ трябвало Π΄Π° Π³ΠΎ пратят ΠΈ Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈ
ВасилиСвич - Π² Π»ΡƒΠ΄Π½ΠΈΡ†Π°Ρ‚Π°.

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