Keeping the layout of (say) a word file
andrea
while ploughing through the User's guide I realized (but I might well
be mistaken) that with AT is impossible to keep the layout of, say a
word file. With WordFast I donot have to worry about it as everything
is kept the same; only the text changes. Here I seem to have to do
some strange (to me) things in order to keep everything the same
(font, colour, layout, etc.).
Am I missing something?
Cheers,
A.
JC Helary
Word files have to be saved to RTF to be used in Appletrans. That is
the case in most CAT tools.
I saw your message on the swordfish forum. In Swordfish the old Word
files can either be saved to RTF, ODF or Word 2007 (Rodolfo could tell
us which is the prefered format) and you can work with them from there.
What is the reason why you want to stop using Wordfast ? Because it is
slow ?
As I suggested earlier, you may want to reinstall Office 2004 on your
Intel machine and try Wordfast from there.
> Am I missing something?
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Jean-Christophe Helary
Andrea Re
JC Helary ha scritto:
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>> Hi there,
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>> while ploughing through the User's guide I realized (but I might well
>> be mistaken) that with AT is impossible to keep the layout of, say a
>> word file. With WordFast I donot have to worry about it as everything
>> is kept the same; only the text changes. Here I seem to have to do
>> some strange (to me) things in order to keep everything the same
>> (font, colour, layout, etc.).
>>
> Word files have to be saved to RTF to be used in Appletrans. That is
> the case in most CAT tools.
>
formatting would be lost. The majority of formats I work with are Word
(either originally in .doc format or created by the client, say from a
.pdf file).
> files can either be saved to RTF, ODF or Word 2007 (Rodolfo could tell
> us which is the prefered format) and you can work with them from there.
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> slow ?
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it, but on a MAC it is slow. I have not had the chance to try it on a
large document or with a big TM yet, but even on small size files it
takes a bit to move between segments and the clean up phase is very slow
as well.
At the same time I would like to be able to do HTML (AppleTrans seems to
able to do that) and some Trados work (Swordfish) without having to fork
out the vast amount of money Trados wants from people. (My feeling for
Trados are not dissimilar to the ones I have for Microsoft...). At the
same time I do not want to fork out €200 for Swordfish if the
improvement is not substantial if compared to WordFast (which, at least
on PC, I would recommend).
> Intel machine and try Wordfast from there.
>
>> Am I missing something?
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JC Helary
On mercredi 10 juin 09, at 22:47, Andrea Re wrote:
>> Word files have to be saved to RTF to be used in Appletrans. That is
>> the case in most CAT tools.
>>
> well, that would be inconvenient (compared with WordFast) as the
> formatting would be lost.
In most cases formatting would not be lost. Unless you work with very
complex files.
I can suggest a different workflow though: translate your document
with a fast and convenient tool. Create the corresponding TMX and use
that TMX to automatically translate your original word file in Wordfast.
I am sure there would be a number of segments that would not fully
match but I suppose the overall experience would be slightly better
that doing everything in a slow Worfast.
>> I saw your message on the swordfish forum. In Swordfish the old Word
>> files can either be saved to RTF, ODF or Word 2007 (Rodolfo could
>> tell
>> us which is the preferred format) and you can work with them from
>> there.
>>
> Hhmmm, since I have Office 2004 that would be massively inconvenient.
No, in fact Word does a pretty good job at creating RTF files that
have pretty much all the original formatting. You can even try HTML
saved from Word, translated and saved back to Word in Word. Those
pseudo standard formats, when manipulated from Word created documents
that are _extremely_ close to the original Word file.
> At the same time I would like to be able to do HTML (AppleTrans
> seems to
> able to do that) and some Trados work (Swordfish) without having to
> fork
> out the vast amount of money Trados wants from people.
If you need to work with a lot of HTML files at once, OmegaT may be
better suited to your needs. But I am not objective because OmegaT is
the only CAT tool I use regularly.
> (My feeling for
> Trados are not dissimilar to the ones I have for Microsoft...). At the
> same time I do not want to fork out €200 for Swordfish if the
> improvement is not substantial if compared to WordFast (which, at
> least
> on PC, I would recommend).
I think Swordfish is a very robust solution and it offers a huge array
of options. You may want to download the 30 days full trial and give
it a try. The workflow is very different from Wordfast but once you
get used to it it works just like any other tool. Technical support is
excellent.
>> As I suggested earlier, you may want to reinstall Office 2004 on your
>> Intel machine and try Wordfast from there.
>>
> Huh? Not sure I know what you are referring to.
Didn't you mention you had a PPC machine running Office 2004 and an
Intel machine running Office 2008 ? If that is the case, then my
advice is to use Office 2004 on the Intel machine too so that the
overall speed is faster.
> I am trying to understand things (business has been slow in the last
> two or three days:( )
Same here... :)
Jean-Christophe Helary
Rodolfo Raya
>> I saw your message on the swordfish forum. In Swordfish the old Word
>> files can either be saved to RTF, ODF or Word 2007 (Rodolfo could tell
>> us which is the prefered format) and you can work with them from there.
>>
> Hhmmm, since I have Office 2004 that would be massively inconvenient.
Office 2004 can save files in the new Office 2008 format. Microsoft
published free updates for Office 2004 that allows handling of .docx
files
Latest service pack for Office 2007 also includes support for
OpenOffice format. I suspect that Office 2008 will handle ODT files
soon.
Regards,
Rodolfo
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Rodolfo M. Raya <rmr...@maxprograms.com>
http://www.maxprograms.com
JC Helary
On mercredi 10 juin 09, at 23:01, Rodolfo Raya wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Andrea Re<and...@andrea-re.eu>
> wrote:
>>> I saw your message on the swordfish forum. In Swordfish the old Word
>>> files can either be saved to RTF, ODF or Word 2007 (Rodolfo could
>>> tell
>>> us which is the prefered format) and you can work with them from
>>> there.
>>>
>> Hhmmm, since I have Office 2004 that would be massively inconvenient.
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> Office 2004 can save files in the new Office 2008 format. Microsoft
> published free updates for Office 2004 that allows handling of .docx
> files
That's exact. I forgot to mention that. But I found the conversion
process slow and unreliable, which is the reason I eventually bought
Office 2008.
> Latest service pack for Office 2007 also includes support for
> OpenOffice format. I suspect that Office 2008 will handle ODT files
> soon.
I don't know. I see that the latest security patches were released at
the same time for Mac and Windows, today, but I have yet to hear about
ODT support for Office 2008. Do you know things that we don't ?
Jean-Christophe Helary
Andrea Re
JC Helary ha scritto:
that allows me to open and save docx and pptx files with office 2004. I
have managed to open a pptx file, but I do not know if the all thing is
reliable/of any use.
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JC Helary
On mercredi 10 juin 09, at 23:09, Andrea Re wrote:
>> I don't know. I see that the latest security patches were released at
>> the same time for Mac and Windows, today, but I have yet to hear
>> about
>> ODT support for Office 2008. Do you know things that we don't ?
>>
> Not sure if it is the same thing, but just today I downloaded a patch
> that allows me to open and save docx and pptx files with office
> 2004. I
> have managed to open a pptx file, but I do not know if the all thing
> is
> reliable/of any use.
To check if it is reliable, take a normal Office 2004 file, convert it
to Office 2008 format (docx etc) and convert it back to its original
format.
That should be enough to have a good idea of the whole conversion
process.
Jean-Christophe Helary