DUNLOPs in Ireland

[Lynda's Lot]

[Message from Fiona]

Wow - just stumbled onto your site and found my family tree! I am the
great granddaughter of Robert Dunlop born 18.12.1876. I can maybe fill
in a couple of blanks. William James married Jeanie Galloway and had 1
son born in 1924. Very interesting site I am so pleased I found it.

Fiona
flowry15 (at) hotmail (dot) com

[Lynda's Lot]

Hi Fiona. I was so excited to see your message! I'm struggling with
my Irish research and any help you can give me regards our Dunlops and
extended families would be fantastic. Thanks for Jeannie's last
name. Did you see the photo of Willam & Jeannie? There's also a pic
of my great-grandmother Mary Ellen Dunlop (she immigrated here in
1911).

Cheers, Lynda

[transit...@gmail.com]

Came across this in the 1851 census. The townland is very close to Tullygarly (appears to be only a couple of km's away so it is probable that they are part of the Dunlop clan.

135 Craigs Townland , Craigs County Antrim (1851)
Henry Dunlop, Head, M, 69, Farmer, Ant, born 1781
Mary Dunlop, Wife, M, 69, None, Ant,
Martha Dunlop, Daughter, U, 24, None, Ant, daughter of henry
Ann Dunlop, Daughter, U, 22, Weaver, Ant, daughter of henry
Mary Dunlop, Daughter, U, 1, None, Ant,
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136 Craigs Townland , Craigs County Antrim (1851)
John Dunlop, Head, M, 36, Farmer, Ant,
Elizabeth Dunlop, Wife, M, 26, None, Ant,
Robert Dunlop, Brother, U, 32, Carpenter, Ant,
William Dunlop, Nephew, U, 12, Attending School, Ant, son of henry 
Hugh Rainey, Servant, U, 20, Linen Weaver, Ant,

[Lynda's Lot]

Thanks for that.  The 136 Craigs Townland is interesting.  Our Robert DUNLOP (b. ca 1876) married Esther RAINEY (possibly known as "Hessie"); somewhere around 1900.  I wonder if she was related to this Hugh Rainey?

[flowry15]

Yes maybe - Esther was definitely known as Hessie.

I came across something really interesting the other day...

I searched Dunlops in both the 1911 and 1901 census in Kels which is the DED for Tullaghgarly.

In Tulllaghgarley lower in 1911 there is:

John and Ellen and William James at house number 12

Robert and Hessie, my grandfather Sam and Nellie in house 20

but interestingly I also came across  a Mary and James in house16.

In the 1911 census it says Mary and James are married but are single (obviously an error) but if you go back to 1901 it says they are siblings and more interestingly they live with their mother Mary.

Mum says she remembers hearing that there were three family plots in Tullygarley.

I think Mary and James are John Dunlops brother and sister and Mary senior is his mother.

James died in October 1924 and left 225 pounds to a Alexander Edmondson. When John died in 1937 he left his possessions to William James (his only living son) and Alexander Edmondson also.

I wonder who is this Alexander Edmondson?  

You have John Dunlops father as a Robert born c 1825 do you have anything on a wife called Mary?

Cheers

Fiona

[Lynda's Lot]

That is so interesting Fiona.  I got Robert Dunlop's name from his son John's 1875 marriage certificate.  Naturally the certificates have no information about the mothers!  I have pencilled in a JANE as wife of Robert, married 1850, but can't recall now where I found this

I've looked at the 1901 and 1911 censuses but it's just too confusing trying to work out which Dunlops were related without knowing who the wives were.  John & Ellen at no. 12 were my g-g-grandparents, with son William James.  Robert & Hessie at no. 20 their son & daughter-in-law & your g-grandparents.  James & Mary (with a mother Mary), I don't know.  I wonder when Robert Dunlop snr died?  If it was before 1901, then possibly this was his wife and children.  I have James pencilled in as John's brother and Mary as James's wife but it could be as you say.

I've not heard of any connection with any Edmondsons, apart from John's will.  Says they were all farmers.  Hmmm, wonder why two Dunlop men left him money in their wills?

All very intriguing.

Cheers, Lynda

[Lynda's Lot]

Found a marriage of a Robert DUNLOP & Mary DEMPSTER 31 December 1852 at Kirkinriola.  Groom's father John Dunlop, bride's father James Dempster.  Might be worth investigating.

[flowry15]

Wow, definitely worth investigating further. 

[flowry15]

Hi Lynda

Hope you are well. I have found some information you may find interesting regarding the Francy's and Bartholomews.
On Emerald Ancestors, Ellen's mother is listed as Jane Francie. I also found a civil birth record for a Margaret Bartholomew, Ellens sister, born in 1846.
You might also like this http://www.newsletter.co.uk/lifestyle/features/john-kennedy-the-bard-of-cullybackey-1-4298647
- the David 'Doit' Bartholomew mentioned and pictured in the link is Ellen's brother, my mum confirmed it, her cousin gave her the same photo a few years back.
I also think I have found Janes father. If you search for William Francy on the proni wills calendar, there is an image of the will of William Francy of Tullygarley. it refers to his three sons, Alexander, David and James. He also appears in the Griffith Valuation.

Kind regards
Fiona

[Lynda (forum administrator)]

Wow Fiona, that's all really exciting!  I have Ellen Bartholomew's mother pencilled in as Jane Francey but could never find anything to prove it.  I'm sure I checked Emerald Ancestors ages ago; maybe I missed it.  Does it give Ellen's DOB or baptism date/place?

So Ellen had a sister Margaret; that's good to know.  I wondered about David being Ellen's brother as he was quite a bit younger (20 years).  I wonder when the parents were married.

Thank you so much.  Off to do some (Internet) surfing now.

Cheers, Lynda

[fiona lowry]

Here is the information on Emerald Ancestors:

Record Type	Parish Baptism
Date of Birth	8 Mar 1845
Name	Ellen BARTHOLOMEW
Gender	F
Fathers Name	William BARTHOLOMEW
Mothers Forenames	Jane
Mothers Maiden Name	FRANCIE
Date of Baptism	4 May 1845
Church	Ballymena Third Presbyterian Church
Civil District	Ballymena
Parish	Kirkinriola
County	Antrim

Record Type	Parish Baptism
Date of Birth	10 Nov 1846
Name	Margaret BARTHOLOMEW
Gender	F
Fathers Name	William BARTHOLOMEW
Mothers Forenames	Jane
Mothers Maiden Name	FRANCIE
Date of Baptism	3 Jan 1847
Church	Ballymena Third Presbyterian Church
Civil District	Ballymena
Parish	Kirkinriola
County	Antrim

Record TypeCivil BirthDate of Birth11 Nov 1870NameDavid BARTHOLOMEWGenderMFathers NameWilliam BARTHOLOMEWMothers ForenamesJaneMothers Maiden NameFRANCEYCivil DistrictBallymenaSub DistrictGalgormCountyAntrim

Cheers

Fiona

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[Lynda]

Thank you, thank you!

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[flowry15]

Hello Lynda

Hope you are well. Not sure if you have seen these graveyard internments, but there are a few of our Bartholomews on there. Thought you might like their dates of internment for your records & site. http://genealogygirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/ballycluginterments.pdf

Kind regards
Fiona

[Lynda (forum administrator)]

Thanks Fiona :)

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Hi from N. Ireland (near Tullaghgarley) Is anyone still working on this? I may be able to help as I'm currently in the early stages of looking into my own family history and there are Francey's and bartholomews involved there.
Ian

[Lynda]

Hello Ian ☺

Since the Irish BMDs went online I've added a few more people but haven't updated the site yet.  I've found other BARTHOLOMEWs and FRANCEY's but I'm not sure how they fit in.

My great-great-great-grandparents were William BARTHOLOMEW and Jane FRANCEY.  I don't know who either of their parents were.  William & Jane's daughter Ellen BARTHOLOMEW married John DUNLOP (my great-great-grandparents).  Ellen & John's daughter Mary Ellen DUNLOP married Andrew SCRIMINGER (my great-grandparents).  Mary & Andrew immigrated here to New Zealand in 1911.

Lynda

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[Ian Logan]

Hiya. As I said I'm in the early stages and having to learn a lot very quickly! Where I've got to is that my GGG Granmother was Ellen (but possibly Rebecca) Francey nee Bartholomew and her husband was Alexander Francey. This information comes from her son William's death certificate and there is a bit of a query as to why Ellen and not Rebecca. I've only just found this out yesterday so haven't had a chance to look at it in any detail. Their son William married Agnes Ayre and the family home was around Tullaghgarley (but there was some movement between here and Mossend/Bellshill in Scotlland). Possibly not the same family, but possibly a link in there somewhere. I'm learning quickly not to discount anything! If I get any further I'll let you know.

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[Ian Logan]

Sorry - I should have added that William and Agnes date back to birth years of 1857 and 1855, I have no dates for William's or Agnes's parents (Robert Ayre and Mary Blair) yet.

Ian

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