Member's shelving in big room

[Eric Cutler]

Today at about 3:15, two of the shelving units collapse.  The contents of all six compartments emptied into the floor.  So far the names I can tell are Mike Lutz, J Coder, John Simpson, B. Hibben, and Blenster. There is a considerable amount of items sent across the floor.  Nolan and I will try to unstack the items, but will leave them in neat groupings near the shelves. If you are one of the people listed, or have contact for these individuals, please come by an claim your items. We don't know whom what belongs.

 

Other photos have been put on flickr.com

 

 

[Ben Hibben]

I'm Blenster/Ben Hibben and will come claim as much as I can remember is mine; I had a few items others were storing on my shelf.

Blenster

 

 

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[Brad Luyster]

Ugh.  Any indication of what caused the failure?

[Tim Miller]

do any of the others look like they are about to fall?

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Ben Hibben <the.bl...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Christopher Cprek]

Awesome. Looks like my stuff too.

[#]

mind over melon machine acting up it looks to me :)

[Ben Hibben]

I moved a lot of my stuff to one of the fallen shelves at one end.  Let me know when we sort all the rest out.

Blenster

[Divinity Rose]

other recongizable names are aaraon devrow and mike

Nothing but the best,

Divinity Rose
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[Jeff Johnson]

My money is on the cause being one of Jose's projects getting out of control.  Watch for a hack-a-day post of him bragging he remotely knocked over a shelf...

[Aaron VerDow]

My shelf is fine, I can see it in the pic.  If there happens to be another one marked as aaron devrow it should be marked as available.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jeff Johnson <jeffj...@gmail.com> wrote:

My money is on the cause being one of Jose's projects getting out of control.  Watch for a hack-a-day post of him bragging he remotely knocked over a shelf...

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[Justin Taylor]

My shelf is next to the shelf that fell and looks like some things might havr fallen as well I cant make it in tonight but I'll be there tomrrow to claim and clean if need be.

[joy elation green]

The uneven floor and possibly an uneven distribution of weight was the likely cause.

On Apr 24, 2013 6:13 PM, "Justin Taylor" <jtayl...@gmail.com> wrote:

My shelf is next to the shelf that fell and looks like some things might havr fallen as well I cant make it in tonight but I'll be there tomrrow to claim and clean if need be.

[Christopher Cprek]

[Brad Luyster]

+1

[Mike Lutz]

I stopped by and picked up my two totes. They have locking handles, 3 of 4 which were closed, so I think I've got all my stuff. Thanks to those that organized everything.

-Mike Lutz

[Pat McCarthy]

If the last time I looked was any indication, storing 4,824.56 kilos of stuff on a shelf rated for 50 lbs MAX

might have played a role

 

 

 

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[Jeff Johnson]

Is there going to be a blue ribbon panel to study the failure?  I smell a new policy coming soon...

[Tim Miller]

nope we are just going to cover the floor in cautions tape to keep them level

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Jeff Johnson <jeffj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there going to be a blue ribbon panel to study the failure?  I smell a new policy coming soon...

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[Brad Luyster]

Shelves are rated to 600 lbs.

[Joseph]

Bylaw amendement: Jose gets 3 shelves. Strong ones, because you know there's all kinds of radioactive material on there. 

[Tim Miller]

There was another shelf that looked like it was leaning over like those 2 were yesterday I pulled it apart just for funsies. It appears the the slope of the floor runs away from the wall bending the tubes on the shelves forward. If anyone has a plan on how to safely level the remaining shelves it may be useful.

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[Joshua Wilcox]

Block the front ends with shim? Maybe Clark was right. We have to bolt them down?

[Tim Miller]

shimming i can see, bolting them down would have just bolted them in at the same angles they just failed at, unless they where already shimmed before they become bolted

[Joshua Wilcox]

I'll check it out Friday if no one gets to it by then. 

[Pat McCarthy]

I stand corrected…

Storing 4,824.56 kilos of stuff on a shelf rated for 600 lbs (275 kilos) MAX might have played a role

 

 

 

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[Jeff Johnson]

Yeah, just get some 1x4's and run them under the front edge

[Jose Cabrera]

I feel that this thread has taken a mocking attitude toward my participation in the hacker space.

For the record, I do not store unregulated nuclear material on my shelf.

For the record, my shelf didn't collapse.

For the record, I was nowhere near the shelf at the time of the collapse.

For the record, I could ramble on but the Big Bang Theory is on.

Joseph <jcl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bylaw amendement: Jose gets 3 shelves. Strong ones, because you know there's all kinds of radioactive material on there. 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:36:27 PM UTC-4, Eric Cutler wrote:

Today at about 3:15, two of the shelving units collapse.  The contents of all six compartments emptied into the floor.  So far the names I can tell are Mike Lutz, J Coder, John Simpson, B. Hibben, and Blenster. There is a considerable amount of items sent across the floor.  Nolan and I will try to unstack the items, but will leave them in neat groupings near the shelves. If you are one of the people listed, or have contact for these individuals, please come by an claim your items. We don't know whom what belongs.

 

Other photos have been put on flickr.com

 

 

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[John Coder]

 i'll be in in the morning to clean my stuff up.

[Pat McCarthy]

For the record, I do not store unregulated nuclear material on my shelf.

 

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[Christopher Cprek]

Pat, I did some science and your estimate above is roughly equal to 661 bowling balls. This kind of hyperbole is unnecessary. On this tragic day when we should reflect and honor our fallen things.

[joy elation green]

+1 @ Cprek

[Divinity Rose]

It was clearly angry spirits..don't let them turn you against each other :(

Nothing but the best,

Divinity Rose
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[Pat McCarthy]

OK, pulling back to reasonable discourse (Yes, I WAS joking… but you know, Density of plutonium: 19,816 g/cm³  with some math,  1 in³ of Plutonium =  324.726 Kilograms,  so Jose COULD accomplish that with just 15 cubic inches of ……)

 

But here’s the thing

 

When I was packing out, I noticed that that the shelf I was using was seriously bowed I’d estimate about a 1” dip from level, in the middle.

Now, I had my tote-box and the un-needed Vent Hood on that shelf, nothing more. The box was kinda heavy, but I, as arthritic as I am, was able to lift it off the shelf and lower it to the floor without passing out, so it is probably shy of 50 lbs

And the vent hood… 10-15 lbs, at best

 

So, I think that the 500 lbs is SERIOUSLY optimistic. (could you see me and and another person, both standing on the top shelf of one of them? I think not.)

 

Sounds like, due to a combination of uneven loading, and uneven footing, excessive pressure was concentrated at a weak spot.

Shimming the front (Shim to level, not adding a 1x strip, which would simply cause the shelves to now apply too much pressure on the rear legs)

AND asking everyone to ensure that they try to distribute the load evenly across their shelf, should work.

 

For the bowing… It may not be a “fault”, just a cosmetic issue. And it may have only affected the 1 shelf unit I was using… But could a support be somehow mounted “below” each shelf, to help keep the shelf flat?

 

 

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[Sean McPherson]

Chris,

 

The obvious question is "How many libraries of congress is it" since we all know in the digital age that's the only metric that matters. It's the information SUPERHIGHWAY, after all, and everyone knows a web of highways is HEAVY! :)

 

Sean

[Christopher Cprek]

My hypothesis:

I think the warm weather has increased the humidity. The humidity is absorbed by our exposed flooring. The moisture is causing the flooring to warp more than usual. The shelves were last arranged in the winter, with less humidity and therefore less warped flooring. Spring has returned and the moisture spirits don't like our floors and pushed over shelves over.

Case closed.

Btw our shelves are rated for 37.5 bowling balls or 4466 Microsoft Encarta CD-ROMs.

[Jeff Johnson]

I remember putting some of those shelves together.  As I recall, some of the ends were so tight a fit, they had to be squished a bit to get to fit in.  The shelves I put together were at the end, not the center though.  but I imagine other assemblers may have had the same issue.  If any of the verticals are compromised given the cheap plastic, raising the front edge may not fix things entirely if the things warp in the middle.  Some of those verticals if they are short or bent might need to be replaced with 1.25" or 1" PVC, assuming they fit the shelves.

[joy elation green]

LOL @using cd-roms as an example of weight limitations.
Nasty little Moisture sprites! I was just thinking about the state of the floor, a week or so ago, while riding the platform for the Hover Pony that Joseph built (super fun and awesome BTW!). I might be wrong, but the floor seems significantly worse than it did even just last fall. I recalled that there were a lot of leaks in the ceiling over the last year, and figured they were probably a leading contributor. Were those leaks ever fixed?

[Daniel Booth]

What nuclear material is not regulated? Or did you mean undocumented/unregistered nuclear material? :)

On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:52:16 PM UTC-4, JAC_101 wrote:

[Pat McCarthy]

Currently Sold out, but….

http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17_69&products_id=211

 

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