Creating resonance

[Joshua Wilcox]

I am interested in creating resonance in objects through the projection of vibratory frequencies. I know very little about this subject other then the typical bridge collapsing or the bizarrely tesla. Neither of this applications our applicable to my intended use of resonance. If anyone has any leads or experiences with this please talk to me at the meeting or post a response here. I'm looking for realistic documented sources. I would like to build a device that can be attached to an object to create resonance in said object for personal experimentation applications. Attached object will greatly vary in size, shape, material and can include objects which contain hollow cavities.

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[2600]

Ahh, to start with, not all objects resonate equally well. 

Whack an object with stick and the sound coming from it will "ring" for a short while. You could record this to a sound file, perform FFT analysis on it and display the resonant frequencies at which the object "rings" in response to your mechanical input  pulse.

An object with a high Q, or quality factor will ring longer. An object with a low Q will not. 

Kinda like the wheel on a bicycle. Turn it upside down and push the pedal. The wheel will coast for a while before stopping. This is high Q. Very little of the energy you put in gets lost and it takes a while to spin down. Put on the brake and it stops quickly. Low Q. 

A bell rings because it has a high Q. When you put energy into it by striking it, that energy is lost slowly, as the intensity of its resonant notes fade away. Lay your hand on it and that energy drains away a lot faster. The energy lost pushing around the soft tissues of your hand makes the bell now a low-Q object, shortening its ring time after you strike it. 

Inducing resonance Tesla-style starts both with knowing both the resonant frequency and the object's Q. The lower the Q, the more energy you must pump into it to observe any resonant response from it. 

The nature of the object you're exciting with that resonant frequency has everything to do with what comes next. Don't know of a "one-size-fits-all" approach to this kind of problem. 

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[Joshua Wilcox]

Thanks for the information. My goal with this is to build a device that can induce resonance. I would assume that means I need a huge gambit of frequencies, a volume control and a tactile transducer. 

[Joshua Wilcox]

So.. can we set this up. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDnNmLkQ3Bc

[Joshua Wilcox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=cPALfz-6pnQ&NR=1

[Joshua Wilcox]

Talked with my physics professor today about this project. I am combing his lab in two weeks for parts.

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[Brian Wagner]

Have you seen the sychronized metronomes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFc4wriBvE

they have to me mounted on a platform that can move.

[Joshua Wilcox]

Alright so I have been reading a crazy hippie liberal spiritual book. Some Japanese guy invented a device that measures the wavelength generated by a human being and then sends back the alternative wave pattern in response. Also I have ran across some research that suggest that human organs generate their own harmonic resonance. Though I am in just the be-gaining phases of this I was wondering if anyone knew where to find a chart of the operation frequencies for internal organs? Also anyone have an idea on how to measure the vibrations coming off someones palm?

[Ben Hibben]

I hate to break it to you but he's full of crap.  Is this the say guy who claims that you can influence snowflake shape through emotion?  If you can tell me which quack you're reading about I can tell you more about their failure to understand physics.  I've done a lot of research into these con-artists.

Also, just in case: water doesn't have "memory."  ;-P

Try peer-reviewed research; you'll get better results.  :-)

Blenster

[Joshua Wilcox]

LoL.. so.. what about these guys.. http://www.newmindrecords.com/scienceharmonics.htm

[Joshua Wilcox]

http://www.pemf.com/en/resonance.html

[Christopher Cprek]

This will end in tears.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Joshua Wilcox

[Joshua Wilcox]

Oh it gets worse.. 

http://sharp.bu.edu/~slehar/HRezBook/Chap4.pdf

[Brad Luyster]

I am protected http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html#201

[John Coder]

I got a crystal you can put on your boo-boo while you sit in a pyramid Josh.

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 the brown infrasonic frequency that would cause humans to lose control of their bowels due to resonance.       


 if you find the brown note,  let me know ive got evil plans for it !   :) 


   the Hippies ive ever meet said you can see the resonance of things/universe  but you need chemicals or deep meditations,         lol       

[Brad Luyster]

Best we can do is tiny geodesic dome http://www.flickr.com/photos/lvl1/5896100512/in/photostream

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[Ben Hibben]

Those links have me pretty convinced Josh is just trollin' now...  ;-P

Blenster

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Remember soft objects will absorb vibration and NEVER resonate.

Thanks,

Dan

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[stea...@gmail.com]

Wow I've been so uncomfortable in my tinfoil sheets at night, I'm so glad to see that I can buy a soft faraday cage sleeping bag now!

Thanks,

Dan

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[Jeff Johnson]

I've got a stash of frozen unicorn tears that I can donate to the cause if it would help.

[Jeff Johnson]

Oh, and these are doubly purified.  I  irradiated them with the output of a solar heated crystal to make the frozen tears sublimate and then recaptured them and pressed them through a shaman blessed cheese cloth into star shaped ice cubes.

[Joshua Wilcox]

LoL... So no one.. Has a lead.. I'm trying to prove disprove liberals and all I get is a bunch of shamanistic conservatives. 

[Joshua Wilcox]

Hey I know a good use for your crystal. Let me call this chick I know. 

[Ben Hibben]

Has a lead on what?

I'm pretty "liberal" in the classic and modern senses; the only major difference being that I'm not anti-gun.

I'm a big fan of finding out what is true and how we can know it is true; the *best* system for this has been science.  It's not perfect but it's produced better results than anything else.  I recommend Karl Popper for a good overview of the philosophy underpinning this position.

A good logic class can help, too.  The only downside: you won't be able to tolerate much TV anymore.  It'll make you want to scream.

Blenster

[Joshua Wilcox]

Lol.. just trying to find the optimal operation frequency of cells. 

[Greg Miller]

It's 42.

[Ben Hibben]

Does such a thing actually exist?  They are soft-bodied, after all, and various sizes and shapes, all of which would effect their reactions to vibrational energy (which is usually entropic in nature, btw).  They're not like computers that operate at frequencies.  Then there's the question of internal structures and function; do you want to influence mitochondrial activity or RNA replication?  Protein expression?  Can you safely introduce frequencies high enough to act on such small scales?

Blenster

[Joshua Wilcox]

Found this one.. Resonance of eyeballs leads to grey blobs and ghosts

esearch by Vic Tandy, a lecturer at Coventry University, suggested that an infrasonic signal of 19 Hz might be responsible for some ghost sightings. Tandy was working late one night alone in a supposedly haunted laboratory at Warwick, when he felt very anxious and could detect a grey blob out of the corner of his eye. When Tandy turned to face the grey blob, there was nothing.

The following day, Tandy was working on his fencing foil, with the handle held in a vise. Although there was nothing touching it, the blade started to vibrate wildly. Further investigation led Tandy to discover that the extractor fan in the lab was emitting a frequency of 18.98 Hz, very close to the resonant frequency of the eye given as 18 Hz by NASA.^[33] This was why Tandy had seen a ghostly figure—it was an optical illusion caused by his eyeballs resonating. The room was exactly half a wavelength in length, and the desk was in the centre, thus causing a standing wave which caused the vibration of the foil.^[34]

Tandy investigated this phenomenon further and wrote a paper entitled The Ghost in the Machine.^[35] Tandy carried out a number of investigations at various sites believed to be haunted, including the basement of the Tourist Information Bureau next to Coventry Cathedral^[36][37] and Edinburgh Castle.^[38][39]

[Joshua Wilcox]

Anyone ever heard of this? Though it sounds crystaly

The 528 hz frequency is known as, the "528 Miracle," because it has the remarkable capacity to heal and repair DNA within the body and is the exact frequency that has been used by genetic biochemists.

"528 cycles per second is literally the core creative frequency of nature. It is love," proclaims renowned medical researcher Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz.

[Ben Hibben]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solfeggio_frequencies - note the "criticisms" section.  There's no credence nor any mechanism for it to occur on.  The geneticists I know would laugh at this idea and politely suggest you study some organic chemistry.  OK, maybe not "politely."  ;-P

There are some interesting interactions with low frequencies, some similar frequencies, when played or created by conditions, create a feeling of being watched/not-alone in test subjects and have been measured at "haunted" sites; it shows how sensory input we're not consciously aware of plays into the human experience.  This fact should not be confused with the outlandish claims made by some.  Just as one should not confuse numbers with vectors (in the wikipedia link) one should not confuse sensory responses with the ability to "heal DNA" - a completely different set of circumstances.

The reason why some of us talk about peer-reviewed research is because there is such an abundance of claims out there it can be hard to know which ones have even a semblance of validity.  Science does a good job sorting this out.  Of course a simpler method is to look and see if there's a book or a rock for sale for $55 that will help you do something highly improbable like talk to dead folks or cure cancer.

I may have to put together a workshop on logic, the rules of evidence, common logical fallacies, and how to detect bullshit...

Blenster

[Joshua Wilcox]

It keep coming up with more quackery as well. Some of these supposed doctors should be committed. 

[Ben Hibben]

It is incredibly disheartening to see the suffering and pain caused by charlatans and fakes.

It is why I am as committed to exposing them as I am.  It is what drives me to do the primary research and read the papers and examine the claims.  Why I respond to threads like this.  Why I try to teach people how to spot these liars and frauds so they can warn others.

Blenster

[Joshua Wilcox]

So far this one is my favorite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark

[Ben Hibben]

She claimed she could cure all cancers.  Except her own, apparently, which she died of.

Beyond the cost in lives and pain caused by those who tried her quack remedies when dealing with such a serious illness the hubris required to defraud others by selling false hope seriously angers me.

Blenster

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 bloodletting and dung poultices work for some ,, lol        im on the fence with the snake venom viagra though  !
    
 
http://www.vice.com/en_se/Fringes/venom-superman          nothen to do with resonance , but interesting  

[Robert D]

 Josh,
Here are some of the NASA LED healing stuff links.  Seems to be a lot of muscle, skin, bone, eyeball stuff.  670nm seems to be a wavelength of interest.  Hopefully you can get into the actually database and do a more proper search thru your university.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11776448
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23181358
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23469078
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23077622
-Robert

[Ben Hibben]

I'm actually going to be making one of those soon; a friend of mine has an extra board he had made for one he built for himself.  The Navy uses these aboard submarines and the research indicates it's got a real beneficial use.

Blenster

-Robert

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[Joshua Wilcox]

Dug this one up.. This is some none published research from a thermodynamic institute up in Canada about the effects of humans on water. Thx Rob for the links. I have them running on this projects research browser. Still got a lot more to do but I'm slowly making progress. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg

[Joshua Wilcox]

My bad the University of Stuggart is in germany. 

[Ben Hibben]

Given that the youtube video doesn't get much into the facts:

http://www.scilogs.com/in_scientio_veritas/water-memory-myth-that-wouldnt-die/

Blenster

[John Coder]

You are such a hater Blenster ! :)

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:22:55 AM UTC-4, Blenster wrote:

Given that the youtube video doesn't get much into the facts:

http://www.scilogs.com/in_scientio_veritas/water-memory-myth-that-wouldnt-die/

Blenster

[Joshua Wilcox]

Hey he is just supporting my research. 

[Ben Hibben]

I'm a lover, not a hater...  :-)  I love learning.  I love teaching.  I love figuring out how things work.

I do get a little annoyed by some of the bullshit people make up; after all the reality of the universe is so much grander, so much more awe-inspiring, so much cooler than anything we humans have made up.  Especially when we make it up out of some vanity that pretends we're special in some way.

I do get a little angry at the people who take money from the gullible, especially if they feed off their fears and insecurities or emotional pain.  I get more angry when their bullshit begins causing people to die...

But more than all of that I love teaching people who to figure out if a claim is true or not.  How to critically examine a statement and see if it matches the evidence, or if there *is* evidence, or the quality of the evidence.  I vastly prefer this to trying to get people to simply agree with me; after all if I've done my homework and they do theirs we should naturally arrive at the same or similar conclusions by consequence of properly reflecting reality.  That beats the hell out of a mindless devotee who agrees with whatever you have to say, in my opinion.

Blenster

[Pat McCarthy]

Once upon a time, long lost to pre-history

The First Con Artist met the first person with OCD

 

And religion was born

 

 

 

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[Joshua Wilcox]

Oh my god.. That reminds of the one time I drank some Japanese booze that had a poisonous snake floating in the bottle. 

[Joshua Wilcox]

On a side note in south america where the worlds deadliest snake resides the only way to live before blood comes out of your pours is to go visit a traditional snake doctor. Unscientifically backed but he saved a guy I knows life before he bleed out his pours. 

[Joshua Wilcox]

I set up next Thursday as the time slot I am going to visit my physic teachers lab. It will be interesting to see what comes from it

[Joshua Wilcox]

Its the thread that never dies.. Yes it is.. So it looks like RF frequencies have the effect on cancer so the original hippies where right. The new age ones post 1950 where wrong. Looking around for those haters. Only put a hour in before bed. 

http://www.ajronline.org/doi/abs/10.2214/ajr.167.3.8751696

http://radiology.rsna.org/content/221/1/159.short

http://radiology.rsna.org/content/220/1/145.short

http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12441926/reload=0;jsessionid=vxEcv0VtHeeVr0I2iuSd.2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiofrequency_ablation

Original Hippie link http://www.rifevideos.com/dr_rifes_true_original_frequencies.html

[Ben Hibben]

I don't recall any hippies saying that RF energy could be carefully used to essentially "cook" cancerous tumors under controlled conditions; can you show me where they predicted this?

In the future a statement that is more precise than " it looks like RF frequencies have the effect on cancer so the original hippies where right" so that I can better evaluate the claim; this is extraordinarily vague and I'm unable to evaluate what the claim is or how this evidence relates to it.  :-)

Blenster

[Joshua Wilcox]

True but I'm just amazed that frequencies could do such a thing. Not to pull the Tesla card here but one of the theories is that he built something similar to the rifle machine that generated frequencies that killed black mold. It would be interesting to see if you can us a general frequency to sanitize our basement. Also one thing about alternative medicine. The way it works in my experience is indirect concentrations over time while the more western medicine is about large concentrations over shorter intervals. I think overall the rifle machine meets the eastern idea of medicine while the published represents the western. Neither is wrong least some connection is their that can be demonstrated in a controlled environment. I wish I had more time to research this stuff. 

[Philip]

While I realize I'm not letting this thread die the death it deserves, I think it needs to be said.  Although you say 'alternative medicine,' when you say 'concentrations' it would appear you mean 'alternative to evidence,' or 'homeopathic.'  A review conducted in 2010 of all the pertinent studies of "best evidence" produced by the Cochrane Collaboration concluded that "the most reliable evidence – that produced by Cochrane reviews – fails to demonstrate that homeopathic medicines have effects beyond placebo."

[Raj]

But they weren't right.  There's a pretty big difference between playing certain frequencies in the hopes of giving pathogenic bodies the "heebie jeebies" and radio frequency ablation.  The first is like placing a tuning fork against your body in the hopes of healing yourself.  The second is using the miracle of CT imaging to locate an area that needs treatment, then placing a needle-like probe into the area under image guidance, and then using high-frequency RF in order to heat just that tiny area until it's dead.  The important part is that the RF itself does not have an impact.  It's only the heat that's produced that's useful and provides relief.  That's why RF ablation is just as useful in cancerous bodies as in regular, but malfunctioning, tissue, such as arrhythmic cardiac tissue or pain-transmitting nerve fibers.

As for the eastern vs. western medicine, it simply comes down to evidence.  Most of eastern medicine is predicated on the notion of a tradition of being effective.  In western medicine, it has to be proven to be safe and efficacious.  If the eastern technique does indeed work and can be proven, guess what?  It gets incorporated into western medicine as a valid technique and is practiced.  There is no hostility to eastern medicine; you just have to show it actually works.  That's why yoga, meditation, and acupuncture have all been embraced, whereas dried tiger penis has not.

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[Raj]

>Lol.. just trying to find the optimal operation frequency of cells. 

That would be your heart rate.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=cPALfz-6pnQ&NR=1

[Pat McCarthy]

The RF “Healing” involved sending meaningful data via RF to Heal a person

The RF Ablation sends a screaming wave of static, designed to cause local heating…

Vast difference

(Think Microwave cooking)

 

 

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[Luslugger]

I have had what were called rf treatments for back pain.  They can go wrong and be painful. The procedure is common for pain management.  I can't say that rf or resonance provided relief.  Other methods were effective.  Tens units are another use of frequencies or vibrations for medical treatments.
    As to the resonance, my mechanical experience is that a fundamental frequency is generated, typically rpm.   When interacted with the components involved there may be a frequency, node, that vibrates at a multiple higher and/or lower than the fundametal freq., and the observation is the magnitude of the frequency is much higher than the fundamental magnitude.  The higher nodes are noise, whines, etc.  The lower resonance " shakes a car apart" or becomes a "wobble" in the steering, especially dangerous on a motorcycle.
   Machines are built to avoid this resonance, usually using cast iron to dampen any vibrations.  Gear trains use an idle gear with a number of teeth like 13,17, or 37 to avoid resonance.  Now that I thought about it, generating the resonance generally occurred and I spent my effort avoiding the resonance.
Bob S

[Joshua Wilcox]

I was hoping I would hear from you. Would that be the beats per minute or the vibratory frequency that your heart makes? 

Also this subject is now haunting me. I am currently dealing with Faraday's law and its is completely based on the resonance frequency of circuits which seems like some fundamental variable for all RLC circuits. It is defined as the frequency at which the circuits has minimal impedance. gggrrrrr..!!!>!>!>!

[Joshua Wilcox]

Hold the phone.. Wasn't Jose all about tiger penis... Oh wait that was Dan

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[Raj]

I wasn't really being serious.  A lot of important functions are tied to heart rate via positive and negative feedback loops, but the range of normal heart rates is highly variable.  For example, 150bpm is typically abnormal for adults, but perfectly normal for a newborn.  60 to 100 is what is considered normal among adults, but your health history, use of medications, and athletic ability can have a huge impact on that.  Even a perfectly healthy individual with a normal sinus rhythm has small fluctuations all the time.

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[Cave,Samuel Stewart]

While we are talking about heart beats, how about none?

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-02/no-pulse-how-doctors-reinvented-human-heart?page=all 

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