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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content (Guido Falsi)
2. Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content (Brian)
3. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Gavin Atkinson)
4. How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? (Tim Chen)
5. Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? (Claus Guttesen)
6. Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? (Ben C. O. Grimm)
7. Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? (Ben C. O. Grimm)
8. Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? (Jeremy Chadwick)
9. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Dan Allen)
10. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Gavin Atkinson)
11. Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... (Jo Rhett)
12. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Stephen Montgomery-Smith)
13. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Carlos A. M. dos Santos)
14. Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content (Scott Lambert)
15. ports from -release vs. -latest [was: RE: FreeBSD 7.1
Content] (Ernest Sales)
16. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Stephen Montgomery-Smith)
17. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Carlos A. M. dos Santos)
18. Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE (Chih Liang)
19. Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE (Chih Liang)
20. Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE (Chih Liang)
21. Re: ports from -release vs. -latest [was: RE: FreeBSD 7.1
Content] (Wesley Shields)
22. Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE (Chih Liang)
23. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Pyun YongHyeon)
24. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Jeremy Chadwick)
25. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Pyun YongHyeon)
26. Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE (Bartosz Stec)
27. Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE (jonathan michaels)
28. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Alexander Motin)
29. Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware (Jeremy Chadwick)
30. Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content (Tom Evans)
31. Fwd: FreeBSD 7.1 Content (Kai Otto)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:08:39 +0200
From: Guido Falsi <m...@madpilot.net>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
To: Marian Hettwer <m...@kernel32.de>
Cc: Dan Allen <danal...@airwired.net>, freebsd...@freebsd.org,
Wesley Shields <w...@FreeBSD.org>
Message-ID: <20080904160...@megatron.madpilot.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 05:35:09PM +0200, Marian Hettwer wrote:
> >
> Ah, I have to disagree.
> The last few times I installed a FreeBSD with xorg, I was really pleased
> how good xorg was in guessing my hardware in comparison to the olde days of
> XFree86.
> It was really, install xorg, run xorg -configure, take the config, install
> the nvidia driver from ports and nvidia settings too, then replace "nv"
> with "nvidia" in xorg.conf and with some clicks in the nvidia settings I
> was up and running dual screen.
> I thought to myself afterwards, Wow! that was easy. Used to be harder...
This goes beyond the scope of the thread. I know I started this, my
point was that trying to guess what people will be expecting or trying
to do with such an option is difficult. It may cause more problems that
solve them, and that things like FreeSBIE are bbetter tools at the job.
No objection to an option like "install xorg/fvwm/FF3", but I think it
will make just a few people happier, not really help any newbie, and be
of no purpose to people like me. On the other hand such an option will
have to be supported if present.
> PS.: am I the only one, thinking that this thread should move to -chat?
I think this thread has outgrown both the original author's intentions
and mine. I just answered by instinct, I disagreed with some points, but
as I said here I have no objection to an option in istall, but IMHO
supporting it may be harder than what it's worth.
--
Guido Falsi <m...@madpilot.net>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:11:08 -0700
From: Brian <br...@brianwhalen.net>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
To: Wesley Shields <w...@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>, Dan Allen
<danal...@airwired.net>, Randy Pratt <bsd-...@embarqmail.com>,
freebsd...@FreeBSD.org
Message-ID: <48C0089C...@brianwhalen.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to install
> firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is still
> necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us right
> back to the very issue you are trying to solve.
>
> -- WXS
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This is a benefit to me, by doing the minimal boot then net install, I
know VERY quickly if the network adapter on the mobo is supported or if
I need to go insert some known supported pci Ethernet card. For most
users, I suspect a system without net access isn't worth m,uch.
Brian
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:29:55 +0100
From: Gavin Atkinson <gavin.a...@ury.york.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Dan Allen <danal...@airwired.net>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>,
freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <1220545795.9...@buffy.york.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 09:47 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> Here is what lspci on Ubunut returns:
> Slot: 09:00.0
> Class: Ethernet controller [0200]
> Vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. [11ab]
> Device: 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller [4354]
> SVendor: Dell [1028]
> SDevice: Unknown device [022f]
> Rev: 12
This particular chip isn't supported in any version of FreeBSD at this
moment. Patches do exist for it at
http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch
but they haven't been integrated yet, presumably because it hasn't been
sufficiently tested yet.
> Slot: 0b:00.0
> Class: Network controller [0280]
> Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086]
> Device: PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection [4229]
> SVendor: Intel Corporation [8086]
> SDevice: Unknown device [1120]
> Rev: 61
This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be
quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in
reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this can
be sorted.
Gavin
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:11:20 +0800
From: "Tim Chen" <gph...@gmail.com>
Subject: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab?
To: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID:
<1f51039c0809040911oe4...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
For some reason we want to disable fnctl lock for NFS
mounted partition. We can achieve this by the following
command: mount_nfs -T -L server:/home /mnt
However after several time of failure tests, we still
can not make it work in /etc/fstab.
server:/home /mnt nfs rw,tcp 0 0
It seems there is no coresponding options in /etc/fstab
so that I can disable fnctl lock for NFS. If we can not
set it right in /etc/fstab, every time the machine reboot
requires human intervention to mount the partition manually.
It is very annoying and inconvenient.
Please give us some suggestion and hint to solve this situation.
By the way, since the machine is running as a mail server which
install postfix,courier-imap, will it happen any kind of data
corruption due to NFS fnctl lock disabled?
Best regards,
Tim
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:52:31 +0200
From: "Claus Guttesen" <kom...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab?
To: "Tim Chen" <gph...@gmail.com>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID:
<b41c75520809040952s1ae...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> For some reason we want to disable fnctl lock for NFS
> mounted partition. We can achieve this by the following
> command: mount_nfs -T -L server:/home /mnt
> However after several time of failure tests, we still
> can not make it work in /etc/fstab.
>
According to man mount_nfs:
-L Do not forward fcntl(2) locks over the wire. All locks will be
local and not seen by the server and likewise not seen by other
NFS clients. This removes the need to run the rpcbind(8) service
and the rpc.statd(8) and rpc.lockd(8) servers on the client.
Note that this option will only be honored when performing the
initial mount, it will be silently ignored if used while updating
the mount options.
...
Historic -o Options
Use of these options is deprecated, they are only mentioned here
for compatibility with historic versions of mount_nfs.
bg Same as -b.
...
lockd Same as not specifying -L.
If you do not specify lockd on the client and don't run rpcbind on the
server it may run as you require. But I haven't tried myself. If my
assumption is correct you only need to make shure that rpcbind is not
running on the server.
--
regards
Claus
When lenity and cruelty play for a kingdom,
the gentler gamester is the soonest winner.
Shakespeare
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:55:19 +0200
From: "Ben C. O. Grimm" <freebsd...@bengrimm.net>
Subject: Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab?
To: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C012F7...@bengrimm.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Tim Chen wrote:
> For some reason we want to disable fnctl lock for NFS
> mounted partition. We can achieve this by the following
> command: mount_nfs -T -L server:/home /mnt
> However after several time of failure tests, we still
> can not make it work in /etc/fstab.
>
> server:/home /mnt nfs rw,tcp 0 0
>
> It seems there is no coresponding options in /etc/fstab
> so that I can disable fnctl lock for NFS. If we can not
> set it right in /etc/fstab, every time the machine reboot
> requires human intervention to mount the partition manually.
> It is very annoying and inconvenient.
>
> Please give us some suggestion and hint to solve this situation.
I see some references to 'nolock' here and there, but YMMV.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:42:23 +0200
From: "Ben C. O. Grimm" <Ben....@BenGrimm.net>
Subject: Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab?
To: Tim Chen <gph...@gmail.com>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C00FEF...@BenGrimm.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Tim Chen wrote:
> For some reason we want to disable fnctl lock for NFS
> mounted partition. We can achieve this by the following
> command: mount_nfs -T -L server:/home /mnt
> However after several time of failure tests, we still
> can not make it work in /etc/fstab.
>
> server:/home /mnt nfs rw,tcp 0 0
>
> It seems there is no coresponding options in /etc/fstab
> so that I can disable fnctl lock for NFS. If we can not
> set it right in /etc/fstab, every time the machine reboot
> requires human intervention to mount the partition manually.
> It is very annoying and inconvenient.
>
> Please give us some suggestion and hint to solve this situation.
I see some references to 'nolock' here and there, but YMMV.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:16:33 -0700
From: Jeremy Chadwick <koi...@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab?
To: Tim Chen <gph...@gmail.com>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20080904171...@icarus.home.lan>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 12:11:20AM +0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> By the way, since the machine is running as a mail server which
> install postfix,courier-imap, will it happen any kind of data
> corruption due to NFS fnctl lock disabled?
Regarding postfix, you will probably need dotlocking enabled during
mailbox delivery.
http://www.postfix.org/NFS_README.html
Regarding courier-imap (have you considered dovecot?), you might
want to see commit revision 1.4.3 to the Makefile, indicating fcntl is
required to build the port on an NFS mount, so fcntl is forced:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/mail/courier-imap/Makefile
Be sure to look at line 65 of the Makefile.
Regarding courier-imap itself, I believe it can be configured to use
dotlocks, but I can't find any documentation on this (I'm searching
Google though).
Finally, this seems relevant (arguing "do not disable fcntl over NFS!"),
as something I happened to be reading earlier today; see "Why is NFS so
slow?":
http://www.fefe.de/muttfaq/faq.html#common-problems
Personally, I think you're asking for trouble disabling fcntl on NFS;
the fact you're having to (more or less) reverse-engineer all this
software to find out if it's compatible with that scenario is added
proof. The fact you're doing this on a mail server running an MDA
is even more scary.
--
| Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:32:57 -0600
From: Dan Allen <danal...@airwired.net>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Gavin Atkinson <gavin.a...@ury.york.ac.uk>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>,
freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB...@airwired.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote:
> This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be
> quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in
> reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this
> can
> be sorted.
I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these
bits.
Dan
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:48:56 +0100
From: Gavin Atkinson <ga...@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Dan Allen <danal...@airwired.net>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>,
freebsd...@FreeBSD.org
Message-ID: <1220550536.9...@buffy.york.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote:
>
> > This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be
> > quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in
> > reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this
> > can be sorted.
>
> I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these
> bits.
I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats
me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver.
Gavin
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:40:36 -0700
From: Jo Rhett <jrh...@netconsonance.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...
To: Wesley Shields <w...@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: freebsd-stable <freebsd...@FreeBSD.org>, Nathan Way
<nat...@datanode.com>
Message-ID: <CB36FE28-D125-4C22...@netconsonance.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>> Where can one find the expected EoL for these releases?
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 09:24:04PM -0700, Nathan Way wrote:
>> http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#supported-branches
>> To quote from the above web site: (snip)
On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Wesley Shields wrote:
> These are the existing releases. I believe Jo was looking for EoL for
> 7.1 and 6.4 once they are released.
Yes, thank you.
> The answer to that is not clear -
> nor do I know if it should be clear yet. I don't know when the type
> of
> support decision is made, but I suspect it's not this early in the
> process.
The release date for 6.4 is ~30 days away, isn't it?
Also given that we've previously seen overlaps such that a newer
version is only supported to the same EoL as the older version, that
would pretty much dictate that spending resources on testing 6.4-REL
and/or upgrading would be futile.
To go back to the original statements made at the time: "you should
consider the lifetime of the release before you invest resources in
it". That means we need to know the lifetime to determine how much
resources to apply to testing it, yes?
--
Jo Rhett
Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source
and other randomness
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:22:32 -0500
From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <ste...@math.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Gavin Atkinson <ga...@freebsd.org>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>, Dan Allen
<danal...@airwired.net>, freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C02768...@math.missouri.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Gavin Atkinson wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>> On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote:
>>
>>> This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be
>>> quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in
>>> reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this
>>> can be sorted.
>> I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these
>> bits.
>
> I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats
> me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver.
I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet.
The iwn driver in CURRENT works well.
The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for
the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing
(which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently
because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for
FreeBSD on the Marvell web site, which did work for me, but I am told it
is unreliable.
I also have had a hard time getting the sound to work. The oss port
does work, but has a habit of freezing up.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:17:15 -0300
From: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" <unix...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" <ste...@math.missouri.edu>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>, Dan Allen
<danal...@airwired.net>, Gavin Atkinson <ga...@freebsd.org>,
freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID:
<e71790db0809041217u50d...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith
<ste...@math.missouri.edu> wrote:
> Gavin Atkinson wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
>>>
>>> On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be
>>>> quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in
>>>> reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this can
>>>> be sorted.
>>>
>>> I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these
>>> bits.
>>
>> I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats
>> me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver.
>
> I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet.
>
> The iwn driver in CURRENT works well.
>
> The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for the
> 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing (which I
> have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently because of lack
> of reliable documentation. There is a driver for FreeBSD on the Marvell web
> site, which did work for me, but I am told it is unreliable.
>
> I also have had a hard time getting the sound to work. The oss port does
> work, but has a habit of freezing up.
Did you try using Alexander Motin's new snd_hda patches? They are available at
http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/
--
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/life
make clean
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:00:08 -0500
From: Scott Lambert <lam...@lambertfam.org>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
To: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20080904190...@sysmon.tcworks.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:20:53PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> > On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote:
> >> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try
> >> Freesbie or something like that?
> >
> > Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and
> > not something downstream.
>
> I think what you might be looking for is, believe it or not, PC-BSD. I
> believe you can install PC-BSD and get a working X desktop with a
> browser and all that jazz right out of the box.
Don't forget DesktopBSD. I'm not a big user of PC-BSD or DesktopBSD.
My desktop operating system is Mac OS X. My servers are FreeBSD
WITHOUT_X11=YES.
Howeever, it is my understanding, from what I've read, that DesktopBSD
tries to stay closer to "the source" in that they use the ports
collection to install most of the "make it easier for end-users" stuff.
They seem to have an installer and some extra ports. That may give you
more of the warm fuzzies than PC-BSD.
--
Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin
lam...@lambertfam.org
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:30:49 +0200
From: "Ernest Sales" <ers...@gmail.com>
Subject: ports from -release vs. -latest [was: RE: FreeBSD 7.1
Content]
To: "'Jim Pingle'" <li...@pingle.org>, <freebsd...@freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <000001c90ecd$207cbca0$2101a8c0@asinusaureus>
> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:22:30 -0400
> From: Jim Pingle <li...@pingle.org>
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
> To: Wesley Shields <w...@FreeBSD.org>
> Cc: Dan Allen <danal...@airwired.net>, freebsd...@freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <48BFEF26...@pingle.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Wesley Shields wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> >> Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution,
> which may be
> >> the way to go.
> >>
> >> It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are
> net-centric (like
> >> firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports
> >> databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful
> >> (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need
> the net to be
> >> useful.
> >
> > No thanks. This means you have to have a working
> connection to install
> > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that
> it is still
> > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media,
> bringing us right
> > back to the very issue you are trying to solve.
>
> Could this not also be resolved another way?
>
> Most desktops these days have DVD drives. If someone wants a bootable
> desktop-targeted release with X, Firefox and such, why not
> make that a DVD
> instead of trying to shoehorn all of this into a CD? Most of the older
> machines with aging CD-ROM drives or without a DVD drive may
> not have the
> horsepower to run a live CD with X anyhow. My servers only have CD-ROM
> drives, but then again they wouldn't be using a
> desktop-oriented live CD
> with X either. :-)
>
> Sure, the download would be (much?) larger, but you would
> have a lot more
> room to work with.
>
> The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years.
> Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup
> mirror, then use
> an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The
> packages on CD are
> out of date practically from the moment they are placed
> there, so I rarely
> use them. The only package I regularly used was
I use to update ports almost weekly from -latest, but the resulting GUI is
not always consistent, so I am considering to stick with the -release tag.
Could someone comment on the quality of ports from -release vs. -latest? In
other words, can I expect a substantial gain in usability by doing so?
Ernest
> cvsup-without-gui, which has
> been replaced by csup in the base system.
>
> Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much
> like FreeSBIE and
> PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare
> apples to apples,
> you might investigate those choices a little closer.
>
> Jim
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:31:06 -0500
From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <ste...@math.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" <unix...@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>, Dan Allen
<danal...@airwired.net>, Gavin Atkinson <ga...@freebsd.org>,
freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C061AA...@math.missouri.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote:
> Did you try using Alexander Motin's new snd_hda patches? They are available at
>
> http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/
>
Thanks. I hadn't tried them. But they didn't work. (I used the Sept 4
patch on CURRENT.)
I could provide more diagnostics if anyone wants to work to make it work.
------------------------------
Message: 17
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:33:59 -0300
From: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" <unix...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" <ste...@math.missouri.edu>
Cc: Alexander Motin <m...@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Stable
<freebsd...@freebsd.org>
Message-ID:
<e71790db0809041733o2dc...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith
<ste...@math.missouri.edu> wrote:
> Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote:
>
>> Did you try using Alexander Motin's new snd_hda patches? They are
>> available at
>>
>> http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/
>>
>
> Thanks. I hadn't tried them. But they didn't work. (I used the Sept 4
> patch on CURRENT.)
>
> I could provide more diagnostics if anyone wants to work to make it work.
Stephen,
I'm pretty sure that Alexander would appreciate your help and bug
reports. So I suggest you to move this discussion to
freebsd-multimedia, the list in which the new driver has been
discussed.
--
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/life
make clean
------------------------------
Message: 18
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:42:04 +0800
From: Chih Liang <chih....@ipeen.com.tw>
Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE
To: Bartosz Stec <ad...@kkip.pl>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C08E6C...@ipeen.com.tw>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Bartosz Stec wrote:
> Chih Liang pisze:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to
>> 7.0-RELEASE, but it is failed to boot after make kernel
>> KERNCONF=GENERIC.
>> I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default.
>> After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at:
>>
>> Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
>> ad0: 38166MB <Seagate ST340016A 3.75> at ata0-master UDMA100
>>
>> I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed:
>>
>> Manual root filesystem specification:
>> <fstype>:<device> Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
>> eg. ufs:da0s1a
>> ? List valid disk boot devices
>> <empty line> Abort manual input
>>
>> I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or
>> "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working
>>
>> I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel
>> again and again, but still not work.
>> I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new
>> GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in
>> 7.0-RELEASE.
>>
>> Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't
>> have install cd...
>>
>> And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chih Liang
>> _______________________________________________
>> freebsd...@freebsd.org mailing list
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable
>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to
>> "freebsd-stabl...@freebsd.org"
> Did you make buildworld before buildkernel? If not, boot kernel.old
> ane follow these rules:
>
> 1. csup 7-stable sources (just to be sure)
> 2. rm -fR /usr/obj (just to be sure again)
> 3. make buildworld && make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC
> 4. make installkernel
> 5. reboot in single user mode
> 6. mergemaster -p
> 7. make installworld
> 8. mergemaster
> 9. make delete-old
> 10. make delete-old-libs
>
> Good luck!
>
Yes I did.
I tried to update source to 7.1, but it failed with the same problem,
then I thought it is the bug at -STABLE. And I remove entire /usr/src
and /usr/obj and update source to 7.0 again, but still failed when I
boot after make buildworld and make kernel.
Thanks!
------------------------------
Message: 19
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:47:43 +0800
From: Chih Liang <chih....@ipeen.com.tw>
Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE
To: jeff.d...@mac.com
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C08FBF...@ipeen.com.tw>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Jeff Dowsley wrote:
> Try selecting boot option 2, ACPI disabled
It still stop with "mountroot" message.
Thanks!
------------------------------
Message: 20
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:51:03 +0800
From: Chih Liang <chih....@ipeen.com.tw>
Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE
To: Miroslav Lachman <000....@quip.cz>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C09087...@ipeen.com.tw>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Miroslav Lachman 提到:
> Chih Liang wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to
>> 7.0-RELEASE, but it is failed to boot after make kernel
>> KERNCONF=GENERIC.
>> I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default.
>> After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at:
>>
>> Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
>> ad0: 38166MB <Seagate ST340016A 3.75> at ata0-master UDMA100
>>
>> I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed:
>>
>> Manual root filesystem specification:
>> <fstype>:<device> Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
>> eg. ufs:da0s1a
>> ? List valid disk boot devices
>> <empty line> Abort manual input
>>
>> I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or
>> "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working
>>
>> I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel
>> again and again, but still not work.
>> I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new
>> GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in
>> 7.0-RELEASE.
>>
>> Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't
>> have install cd...
>>
>> And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading!
>
> What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg)
>
> I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This
> machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it
> can't boot even from 7.x CD)
>
> Miroslav Lachman
>
Here is my /var/run/dmesg.boot:
Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Wed Sep 3 15:58:00 CST 2008
root@daxiongb:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (801.83-MHz 686-class CPU)
Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x631 Stepping = 1
Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
AMD Features=0xc0440800<SYSCALL,<b18>,MMX+,3DNow!+,3DNow!>
real memory = 335478784 (319 MB)
avail memory = 318791680 (304 MB)
kbd1 at kbdmux0
ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Sep 3 2008 15:57:08)
acpi0: <AMIINT > on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0
cpu0: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
acpi_button0: <Power Button> on acpi0
pcib0: <ACPI Host-PCI bridge> port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib0
agp0: <VIA 82C8363 (Apollo KT133x/KM133) host to PCI bridge> mem
0xe0000000-0xe0ffffff at device 0.0 on pci0
pcib1: <PCI-PCI bridge> at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib1
pci1: <display, VGA> at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
isab0: <PCI-ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <VIA 82C686A UDMA66 controller> port
0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: <ATA channel 0> on atapci0
ata1: <ATA channel 1> on atapci0
uhci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 12 at device
7.2 on pci0
uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 12 at device
7.3 on pci0
uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb1: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pci0: <serial bus, SMBus> at device 7.4 (no driver attached)
rl0: <RealTek 8139 10/100BaseTX> port 0xd000-0xd0ff mem
0xdfffff00-0xdfffffff irq 9 at device 13.0 on pci0
miibus0: <MII bus> on rl0
rlphy0: <RealTek internal media interface> on miibus0
rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
rl0: Ethernet address: 00:40:c7:81:90:ca
pci0: <multimedia, audio> at device 14.0 (no driver attached)
acpi_button1: <Sleep Button> on acpi0
acpi_tz0: <Thermal Zone> on acpi0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
fdc0: <floppy drive controller> port 0x3f2-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0
fdc0: [FAST]
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on
acpi0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0: <ECP parallel printer port> port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77b irq 7 drq
3 on acpi0
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold
ppbus0: <Parallel port bus> on ppc0
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
pmtimer0 on isa0
orm0: <ISA Option ROM> at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff on isa0
sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 801825289 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
hptrr: no controller detected.
ad0: 39266MB <IC35L040AVVN07 0 VA2OAG0A> at ata0-master UDMA66
acd0: CDRW <LITE-ON LTR-48246S/SS0E> at ata1-slave UDMA33
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
rl0: link state changed to UP
Is it the VIA chipset?
------------------------------
Message: 21
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:02:31 -0400
From: Wesley Shields <w...@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: ports from -release vs. -latest [was: RE: FreeBSD 7.1
Content]
To: Ernest Sales <ers...@gmail.com>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <2008090502...@atarininja.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:30:49PM +0200, Ernest Sales wrote:
> I use to update ports almost weekly from -latest, but the resulting GUI is
> not always consistent, so I am considering to stick with the -release tag.
> Could someone comment on the quality of ports from -release vs. -latest? In
> other words, can I expect a substantial gain in usability by doing so?
The ports tree is not branched like the src tree. If you want any
updates you get the latest. The ports tree as presented on the install
media is merely a snapshot of the tree at that point in time. If you
only use that tree you will never receive updates. If that tree works
well for you and you don't care about updates of any kind then go ahead
and stick on that tree. Personally, I want updates to some important
(to me) pieces of software so I do keep things updated.
Please do not take this as an opportunity to bring up the "we should
use a branched approach to ports" discussion. That's been done many
times before so look in the archives if you want more information.
-- WXS
------------------------------
Message: 22
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:54:21 +0800
From: Chih Liang <chih....@ipeen.com.tw>
Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE
To: Miroslav Lachman <000....@quip.cz>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C0AD6...@ipeen.com.tw>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Miroslav Lachman wrote:
>
> What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg)
>
> I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This
> machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it
> can't boot even from 7.x CD)
>
> Miroslav Lachman
>
I've tried to boot with 7.0 CD, it hung again...then I reboot with ACPI
disabled, it could be boot but said can't find the disk. So I think this
PC maybe with too old chipset.
Anyway, thanks a lot.
------------------------------
Message: 23
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:34:55 +0900
From: Pyun YongHyeon <pyu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <ste...@math.missouri.edu>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>, Dan Allen
<danal...@airwired.net>, Gavin Atkinson <ga...@freebsd.org>,
freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20080905053...@cdnetworks.co.kr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> Gavin Atkinson wrote:
> >On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> >>On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote:
> >>
> >>>This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be
> >>>quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in
> >>>reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this
> >>>can be sorted.
> >>I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these
> >>bits.
> >
> >I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats
> >me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver.
>
> I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet.
>
> The iwn driver in CURRENT works well.
>
> The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for
> the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing
> (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently
> because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for
Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized
after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-(
> FreeBSD on the Marvell web site, which did work for me, but I am told it
> is unreliable.
>
> I also have had a hard time getting the sound to work. The oss port
> does work, but has a habit of freezing up.
--
Regards,
Pyun YongHyeon
------------------------------
Message: 24
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:54:23 -0700
From: Jeremy Chadwick <koi...@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Pyun YongHyeon <pyu...@gmail.com>
Cc: Gavin Atkinson <ga...@freebsd.org>, Peter Jeremy
<peter...@optushome.com.au>, Dan Allen <danal...@airwired.net>,
freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20080905055...@icarus.home.lan>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 02:34:55PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> > Gavin Atkinson wrote:
> > >On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> > >>On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be
> > >>>quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in
> > >>>reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this
> > >>>can be sorted.
> > >>I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these
> > >>bits.
> > >
> > >I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats
> > >me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver.
> >
> > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet.
> >
> > The iwn driver in CURRENT works well.
> >
> > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for
> > the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing
> > (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently
> > because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for
>
> Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized
> after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-(
Yong-Hyeon,
I can purchase and send you a Marvel 88E8040 NIC, assuming we can find a
PCI or PCIe card somewhere that uses one. Otherwise, I could purchase a
motherboard which uses the IC and send that to you.
Let me know if this would be of any help!
--
| Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
------------------------------
Message: 25
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:06:42 +0900
From: Pyun YongHyeon <pyu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Jeremy Chadwick <koi...@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>, Dan Allen
<danal...@airwired.net>, freebsd...@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson
<ga...@FreeBSD.org>
Message-ID: <20080905060...@cdnetworks.co.kr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:54:23PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 02:34:55PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> > > Gavin Atkinson wrote:
> > > >On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> > > >>On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be
> > > >>>quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in
> > > >>>reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this
> > > >>>can be sorted.
> > > >>I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these
> > > >>bits.
> > > >
> > > >I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats
> > > >me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver.
> > >
> > > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet.
> > >
> > > The iwn driver in CURRENT works well.
> > >
> > > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for
> > > the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing
> > > (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently
> > > because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for
> >
> > Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized
> > after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-(
>
> Yong-Hyeon,
>
:-)
> I can purchase and send you a Marvel 88E8040 NIC, assuming we can find a
> PCI or PCIe card somewhere that uses one. Otherwise, I could purchase a
> motherboard which uses the IC and send that to you.
>
I failed to find a standalone PCI/PCIe NIC based on 88E8040
controller in local store.
> Let me know if this would be of any help!
>
Having a hardware surely helps a lot!
--
Regards,
Pyun YongHyeon
------------------------------
Message: 26
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:22:51 +0200
From: Bartosz Stec <ad...@kkip.pl>
Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE
To: Chih Liang <chih....@ipeen.com.tw>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C0D03B...@kkip.pl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Chih Liang pisze:
> Miroslav Lachman wrote:
>>
>> What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg)
>>
>> I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This
>> machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it
>> can't boot even from 7.x CD)
>>
>> Miroslav Lachman
>>
>
> I've tried to boot with 7.0 CD, it hung again...then I reboot with
> ACPI disabled, it could be boot but said can't find the disk. So I
> think this PC maybe with too old chipset.
> Anyway, thanks a lot.
Well, it's VIA chipset you have, not nForce2 - <VIA 82C8363 (Apollo
KT133x/KM133) host to PCI bridge>. And it's not too old to run 7.0 as
far as I know. It's strange that kernel has some problem with your
hardware. Maybe you have buggy BIOS? Try to update to newest one and/or
at least load BIOS safe-defaults. Then you should try to boot with and
without ACPI enabled. Adding the following line to /boot/device.hints:
hint.acpi.0.disabled="1"
may help if your system won't boot with ACPI enabled.
Don't give up yet! :)
--
Bartosz Stec - specjalista ds. IT
AUXILIA Spółka z o.o.
------------------------------
Message: 27
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:11:24 +1000
From: jonathan michaels <j...@caamora.com.au>
Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to
7.0-RELEASE
To: Chih Liang <chih....@ipeen.com.tw>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org, Miroslav Lachman <000....@quip.cz>
Message-ID: <2008090516...@caamora.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 11:54:21AM +0800, Chih Liang wrote:
> Miroslav Lachman wrote:
> >
> > What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg)
> >
> > I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This
> > machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it
> > can't boot even from 7.x CD)
> >
> > Miroslav Lachman
> >
>
> I've tried to boot with 7.0 CD, it hung again...then I reboot with ACPI
> disabled, it could be boot but said can't find the disk. So I think this
> PC maybe with too old chipset.
> Anyway, thanks a lot.
i have an amd athlon with an nvidia video card that freebsd v7.0-RELEASE locks
the last thing mine says is hptrr (there is something about rocketraid
raid device in teh dmesg) "no device found'
if i disable acpi (by booting in safe mode) all works well the
installation completes, the machine works well at least so far ...
hope this helps
regards
jonathan
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:24:06 +0300
From: Alexander Motin <m...@mavhome.dp.ua>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <ste...@math.missouri.edu>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <48C0ECA6...@mavhome.dp.ua>
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Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
>> Did you try using Alexander Motin's new snd_hda patches? They are
>> available at
>>
>> http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/
>
> Thanks. I hadn't tried them. But they didn't work. (I used the Sept 4
> patch on CURRENT.)
>
> I could provide more diagnostics if anyone wants to work to make it work.
Send me 'cat /dev/sndstat' and verbose dmesg output of the patched
driver. There are many possible reasons of this "didn't work" including
hardware specific hardware implementation and broken BIOS configuration.
But many of them could be diagnosed by reading of verbose dmesg and
fixed by specifying device hints.
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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:26:33 -0700
From: Jeremy Chadwick <koi...@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware
To: Pyun YongHyeon <pyu...@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter...@optushome.com.au>, Dan Allen
<danal...@airwired.net>, Gavin Atkinson <ga...@FreeBSD.org>,
freebsd...@FreeBSD.org
Message-ID: <20080905092...@icarus.home.lan>
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On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 03:06:42PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:54:23PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 02:34:55PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> > > > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for
> > > > the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing
> > > > (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently
> > > > because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for
> > >
> > > Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized
> > > after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-(
>
> > I can purchase and send you a Marvel 88E8040 NIC, assuming we can find a
> > PCI or PCIe card somewhere that uses one. Otherwise, I could purchase a
> > motherboard which uses the IC and send that to you.
> >
>
> I failed to find a standalone PCI/PCIe NIC based on 88E8040
> controller in local store.
I'll look around, and if I can't find anything, contact Marvell asking
which of their clients use their 88E8040 in standalone PCI/PCIe NICs.
If push comes to shove, I'll pick up a motherboard that has the 88E8040
on it and ship it to you free of cost.
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Message: 30
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:08:55 +0100
From: Tom Evans <teva...@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
To: Dan Allen <danal...@airwired.net>
Cc: freebsd...@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <1220609335.3846.6.camel@localhost>
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On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 08:45 -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> On 4 Sep 2008, at 12:20 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
...
> It was using Ubuntu that caused me to realize how far behind FreeBSD
> is on the desktop side, and how, with a SMALL AMOUNT of work and
> changes, it could make a big jump forward by this proposed simple
> addition. Heck, if nothing else the installer could simply say in a
> help screen, "if you want a web browser on your system, type 'pkg_add -
> r firefox' on your system and edit blah blah .conf blah". As it
> stands right now, however, there is very little in the install process
> which helps a user get X up and going with a browser.
>
> Thanks to everyone else for their comments.
>
> Dan
(this isn't meant to be a flame :)
For me, part of the install process was reading the handbook, which
details quite clearly how to go from sysinstall to desktop.
Projects driven by billionaire South Africans can target their paid
developers at whatever tasks they think are important. It seems very few
FreeBSD devs are interested enough to attack this 'small amount' of
work, and that is their (valid) choice*. In a volunteer project,
volunteers work on what interests them, not what someone else thinks is
important.
Cheers
Tom
* although check out finstall.sf.net, which looks as though it will be
very good.
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Message: 31
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:24:49 +0200
From: "Kai Otto" <kais.del...@googlemail.com>
Subject: Fwd: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
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From: Kai Otto <kais.del...@googlemail.com>
Date: 2008/9/5
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
To: Tom Evans <teva...@googlemail.com>
Hello
I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I'm not shure.
IMHO it would _be_ nice if there's a HTML-browser in the standard
installation (with option to not install it in sysinstall).
I say HTML and not web because I think about the /usr/share/doc
.html-documentation. If someone really has no Internet-connection as
mentioned before he/she isn't able to read the handbook, which IMHO is a
very important part of FreeBSD. There are great manpages and exaple files,
but the best explanations are in the handbook.
Optional, the motd could tell the interested newbie how he/she can start
reading the handbook. At the moment, the standard motd explains how to learn
about manpages ('man man') and how to learn about the disklayout ('man
hier') that's just great.
An other way would be adding a hint to the shipped htmlbrowser (eg. lynx)
and it's initialisation with the handbook to the hier manpage.
I don't know if thats to 'deep hidden'.
An other thing was the problem with the outdated packages on the discset and
the people who need it because the 'target pc' for the install has no (or
only slow) internetconnection. I think this is already solved: People
needing up-to-date packages/ports can use the 'bootonly' iso-images and
download the complete installation from a local or internet server. The
other people can use the not-100%-up-to-date packages on the discset.
Greets, Kai
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