Re: I Love FreeBSD!
Programmer In Training
> Hi,
>
> On 24 January 2010 am 10:44:03 Programmer In Training wrote:
>> I just got done with my first install, from CD, no net
>> connection (currently) to the box. I was kind of concerned
>
> depending on your needs, this is all you need to get a running
> machine.
>
> You can download additional precompiled packages on a networked
> machine and move it over to your machine if you need additional
> software now.
>
> Erich
>
See. Completely in love. (: Love at first byte, you could say. (;
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Programmer In Training
install the tools I need to start being productive (starting with a
shell other then sh). I read the manual about how sysinstall can be
invoked on a running system and I am just so happy! I mean seriously.
You have no clue how happy that makes me. (: I can now burn a DVD of the
install DVD and go from there until I get a net connection on either my
NIC or winWiFi card.
Love you guys so much! (:
Erich Dollansky
On 24 January 2010 am 10:44:03 Programmer In Training wrote:
> I just got done with my first install, from CD, no net
> connection (currently) to the box. I was kind of concerned
depending on your needs, this is all you need to get a running
Rick N
That's what I felt too(many moons ago), after I discovered that FreeBSD bible:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
:)
-glad you're havin' fun.
cheers.
Rick.
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:44:03 -0600
> From: p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us
> To: freebs...@freebsd.org
> Subject: I Love FreeBSD!
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Programmer In Training
>
> That's what I felt too(many moons ago), after I discovered that FreeBSD bible:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
> :)
>
> -glad you're havin' fun.
> cheers.
>
> Rick.
Thanks for the link, I've already used it a bunch (and will continue to
do so until I get all the basic figured out). (:
Jayton Garnett
that time.
It was many many moons ago (4.7 had just come out)
Good luck with that!
Jay
james michael
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soon you will be designing your room to hold as many computers as
possible without making it super hot. currently I 3 computers in a 10 by
10 room that keeps about 60-70 F without any outside heat.
Charlie Kester
>soon you will be designing your room to hold as many computers as
>possible without making it super hot. currently I 3 computers in a 10
>by 10 room that keeps about 60-70 F without any outside heat.
Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun!
Dag-Erling Smørgrav
> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun!
Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the
exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo
energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but
that's a vanishingly small amount)
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Erich Dollansky
On 27 January 2010 pm 20:16:05 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Charlie Kester <cork...@comcast.net> writes:
> > Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the
> > most fun!
>
> Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater
> produce the exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical
> power consumed (modulo energy transmitted outside the room over
> wireless or wired network, but that's a vanishingly small
> amount)
burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than
electricity which is most likely produced out of the same fuel
but all the losses during generation and transport reduce its
effectiveness dramatically.
Erich
Dag-Erling Smørgrav
> burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than
> electricity which is most likely produced out of the same fuel
> but all the losses during generation and transport reduce its
> effectiveness dramatically.
Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US.
Jayton Garnett
> Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US.
>
>
Erich Dollansky
On 27 January 2010 pm 21:40:32 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Erich Dollansky <er...@ovitrap.com> writes:
> > burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than
> > electricity which is most likely produced out of the same
> > fuel but all the losses during generation and transport
> > reduce its effectiveness dramatically.
>
> Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US.
any region of this globe where temperatures go below the threshold
for being comfortable and people tend to create heat by some
means.
Erich
Tony Theodore
Wood is prohibitively expensive in [sub]urban Australia. We use it
more for ambiance than heating. Gas is cheap, and on a par with
electricity in terms of price to the consumer, but our brown coal is
hopelessly inefficient.
Tony
Charlie Kester
>Charlie Kester <cork...@comcast.net> writes:
>> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun!
>
>Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the
>exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo
>energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but
>that's a vanishingly small amount)
I'm not sure I get your point. You can surf the web on your space
heater?
KAYVEN RIESE
> Charlie Kester <cork...@comcast.net> writes:
>> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun!
>
> Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the
> exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo
> energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but
> that's a vanishingly small amount)
"per unit consumed," but I guess you need a server farm to consume enough
power to get the same effect? Maybe a server garden.
>
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> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>
>> Charlie Kester <cork...@comcast.net> writes:
>>> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun!
>>
>> Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the
>> exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo
>> energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but
>> that's a vanishingly small amount)
>
> "per unit consumed," but I guess you need a server farm to consume
> enough power to get the same effect? Maybe a server garden.
single cores. I have trapped my room off of my houses heat and have been
happy with the combination of: heat that drifts in from the hallway to
my room, body heat and electronic heat given off of these computers, a
TV, a printer and a router. Rarely I use my laptop in my room as well
but its never used for heat. My room is usually about 65-70 degrees and
ignoring the fact that the house has a natural gas heater, if it had
electric I would be saving money by keeping my heat off and my computers
on, as my computers are always on, when ever I feel cold i either deal
with it, put more clothes on or cuddle up with the wife. It's not a bad
way to live at all. With the fact that the house has natural gas, it
does save heat because my computers would be on anyways. This way I
benefit from them more.
>
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Kevin Kinsey
Maybe he can, but I don't believe that was his point. Nonetheless,
I seem to remember someone installed a Linux or a BSD on a toaster
once upon a time.
Off to Google to find out.
KDK
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Kevin Kinsey
> Kevin Kinsey wrote:
>> Charlie Kester wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I get your point. You can surf the web on your space
>>> heater?
>>
>> Maybe he can, but I don't believe that was his point. Nonetheless,
>> I seem to remember someone installed a Linux or a BSD on a toaster
>> once upon a time.
>>
>> Off to Google to find out.
> It was NetBSD
> http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php
Yes, that was one. And at least one Linuxen did the same thing.
I guess if we want someone can say who was first, but it's no
big deal to me. It may well have been NetBSD first, they're
uber-geeks similar to the FBSD folk, and are well known for
hw compatibility, but you know that, I'm sure.
KDK
Dag-Erling Smørgrav
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <d...@des.no> writes:
> > Erich Dollansky <er...@ovitrap.com> writes:
> > > burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than
> > > electricity which is most likely produced out of the same fuel but
> > > all the losses during generation and transport reduce its
> > > effectiveness dramatically.
> > Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US.
> any region of this globe where temperatures go below the threshold
> for being comfortable and people tend to create heat by some
> means.
That's begging the question, which was about the relative cost of
electrical heating vs. fossil fuels.
I live in a country that's colder than most, where close to 100% of all
electricity comes from renewable sources.
FWIW, this is also the case in large parts of the US.
Erich Dollansky
On 01 February 2010 pm 20:28:52 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Erich Dollansky <er...@ovitrap.com> writes:
> > Dag-Erling Smørgrav <d...@des.no> writes:
> > > Erich Dollansky <er...@ovitrap.com> writes:
> > > > burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than
> > > > electricity which is most likely produced out of the same fuel but
> > > > all the losses during generation and transport reduce its
> > > > effectiveness dramatically.
> > > Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US.
> > any region of this globe where temperatures go below the threshold
> > for being comfortable and people tend to create heat by some
> > means.
>
> That's begging the question, which was about the relative cost of
> electrical heating vs. fossil fuels.
>
> I live in a country that's colder than most, where close to 100% of all
> electricity comes from renewable sources.
you are in the lucky position that your country has a very high percentage of hydro power plants.
>
> FWIW, this is also the case in large parts of the US.
The hydro power? Yes, but they also have to operate nuclear power plants and fossile fuled power plants.
Hydro power plants are nearly a perfect source of electricity if there would not be the need for a dam which brings environmentalists up the dam if a new one has to be errected.
Erich
Dag-Erling Smørgrav
> The hydro power? Yes, but they also have to operate nuclear power
> plants and fossile fuled power plants.
>
> Hydro power plants are nearly a perfect source of electricity if there
> would not be the need for a dam which brings environmentalists up the
> dam if a new one has to be errected.
Luckily, environmentalists are starting to realize what hypocrits they
are...
Jayton Garnett
>
> Luckily, environmentalists are starting to realize what hypocrits they
> are...
>
> DES
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Like in Armageddon when environMENTALists are on that boat shouting abuse at
the oil rig, when their own boat is spewing out black clouds of smoke? Ah
yes, the "It's OK, we know what we're doing and we're going to burn this oil
to stop them drilling for more oil - yes that will work"
I suppose we all have to be green now days or face the wrath of the ever
increasing energy bill as each quarter the energy companies raise their
prices because the governments are urging people to save gas/electricity
thus reducing the energy companies profits, thus increasing their prices...
anyone in favour of breeding hamsters to power the earth by running in their
wheels ? oh no we'd upset the animal protection league's.
I find the solar tower's of water Spain have started using an interesting
way to produce electricity, create enough of them and we only have to worry
about it again in 6 billion years when the Sun dies.
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Jay
Erich Dollansky
send some here They are starting now to put silicon solar panels up.
Ok, we have a lot of sun, but how many years do they have to operate to break even?
At the same moment oftime they operate air condition units to cools a room downto 18C.
Erich
Erich Dollansky
On 02 February 2010 pm 20:22:46 Jayton Garnett wrote:
> >
> anyone in favour of breeding hamsters to power the earth by running in their
> wheels ? oh no we'd upset the animal protection league's.
hey, I will give you a dobermann to make the hamster run faster.
>
> I find the solar tower's of water Spain have started using an interesting
> way to produce electricity, create enough of them and we only have to worry
> about it again in 6 billion years when the Sun dies.
They developed this in the Seventies of the last century. The idea is perfect.
It is not about electricity alone, it is about steam. There are so many technical processes in which you would not need the electricity at all as you can run them directly by steam.
As such, large users of steam can place one of them nearby and run without coal or oil during periods of sunshine.
Erich
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Giorgos Keramidas
>> It was NetBSD
>> http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php
>
> Yes, that was one. And at least one Linuxen did the same thing. I
> guess if we want someone can say who was first, but it's no big deal
> to me. It may well have been NetBSD first, they're uber-geeks similar
> to the FBSD folk, and are well known for hw compatibility, but you
> know that, I'm sure.
Yes, the NetBSD folks have a very portable source tree and are known for
the high-quality of their source. It probably doesn't really matter who
ran on a toaster first, since I'd take NetBSD sources over Linux sources
without so much as a blink of a second thought *any* day :-)
KAYVEN RIESE
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Jayton Garnett wrote:
>
> I find the solar tower's of water Spain have started using an interesting
> way to produce electricity, create enough of them and we only have to worry
> about it again in 6 billion years when the Sun dies.
The key issue is the useful lifetime of the panels..
>
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Welcome Erich!
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Programmer In Training
<p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> wrote:
> I just got done with my first install, from CD, no net connection
> (currently) to the box. I was kind of concerned about how I was going to
> install the tools I need to start being productive (starting with a
> shell other then sh). I read the manual about how sysinstall can be
> invoked on a running system and I am just so happy! I mean seriously.
> You have no clue how happy that makes me. (: I can now burn a DVD of the
> install DVD and go from there until I get a net connection on either my
> NIC or winWiFi card.
>
> Love you guys so much! (:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav
> Jayton Garnett <jayton....@gmail.com> writes:
> > I find the solar tower's of water Spain have started using an interesting
> > way to produce electricity, create enough of them and we only have to worry
> > about it again in 6 billion years when the Sun dies.
> The key issue is the useful lifetime of the panels..
I believe Jayton is referring to heliostats, not solar cells.
Jayton Garnett
>
>
> I believe Jayton is referring to heliostats, not solar cells.
>
> DES
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That is correct. The reflectors are *basically mirrors* directing the sun's
energy to the tower where it super heats the steam, it's a very good, cheap
and low maintenance way to produce electricity (from what I understand).
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Kevin Kinsey
>
> *basically mirrors*
>
> low maintenance
>
Confucius say: Who lives in glass house, must learn to wash window.
KDK
Erich Dollansky
On 03 February 2010 pm 19:39:12 Jayton Garnett wrote:
> >
>
> That is correct. The reflectors are *basically mirrors* directing the sun's
> energy to the tower where it super heats the steam, it's a very good, cheap
> and low maintenance way to produce electricity (from what I understand).
only the control of the mirrors have wear and tear. The mirros get 'blind' over time.
It is the most effective way to convert sunlight into usable energy. Was it is six times more effective as silicon?
The best is that it is all low technology.
Erich
Michiel Overtoom
> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun!
I measured the power consumption of my FreeBSD system, and it's 80 watts
usually, 100 watts while doing a large compile.
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Charlie Kester
>On Wednesday 27 January 2010 11:46:52 Charlie Kester wrote:
>
>> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun!
>
>I measured the power consumption of my FreeBSD system, and it's 80
>watts usually, 100 watts while doing a large compile.
I recently installed FreeBSD on a system based on Intel's latest Atom
processor -- the so-called "Mount Olive" motherboard. According to my
Kill-a-Watt meter, it maxes out at 25W.
It's cheap (~$80 for the motherboard) and definitely a lot of fun, but
not much good as a space heater. Good thing I live in the Pacific
Northwest, where we enjoy such a mild climate!
Chuck Robey
I got curious about 2 weeks ago, and went to the Intel web site to find out
about that. I saw a page what was obviously written by a marketing man, spent a
lot of time reading how great it was, but couldn't find one word on how it
worked or looked, logically, so I assumed it was a glorious piece of
incompatible junk. Am I tremendously wrong? I did see that it was a low power
device.
Charlie Kester
>Charlie Kester wrote:
>> I recently installed FreeBSD on a system based on Intel's latest Atom
>> processor -- the so-called "Mount Olive" motherboard. According to
>> my Kill-a-Watt meter, it maxes out at 25W. It's cheap (~$80 for the
>> motherboard) and definitely a lot of fun, but not much good as a
>> space heater. Good thing I live in the Pacific Northwest, where we
>> enjoy such a mild climate!
>
>I got curious about 2 weeks ago, and went to the Intel web site to find out
>about that. I saw a page what was obviously written by a marketing man, spent a
>lot of time reading how great it was, but couldn't find one word on how it
>worked or looked, logically, so I assumed it was a glorious piece of
>incompatible junk. Am I tremendously wrong? I did see that it was a
>low power device.
I don't know about "tremendously wrong" but I can say that mine is
running 8.0-STABLE with no apparent problems.
The only thing still needed for full compatibility is for the agp driver
to recognize the video controller built into the main chip. But for the
time being, xorg works acceptably well with the vesa driver.
It is a dual-core machine, but at 1.66 Ghz, won't ever win any speed
competitions. My son the animator would find it unacceptably slow as a
rendering machine. I wouldn't use it as a server for anything but a
light load. But it's more than adequate as a lightweight desktop
machine or file server for a home network.