Problems With New Audio CD

[Programmer In Training]

I would go to questions, but I'm not sure it's relevant there so I
thought I'd ask here.

I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).

Is this a problem with copy protection? If so, how would I verify that
(I don't think that such information would be printed anywhere). I would
ask how to bypass that, but I fully understand that because it is
illegal (via the DMCA) to bypass any copy protection (even to exercise
fair use rights), that such a question would probably be ignored and not
responded to on list. I understand that, so I would never think of
asking such a question despite rejecting the idea of intellect as
property and also reject that the concept of copying as somehow
depriving the artist of revenue (despite first sale doctrine).

Just an FYI, I do not download torrents of music (owned or otherwise, if
I own it why do I need to torrent it), and this won't change that fact.
It will, however, color future ideas about purchasing from this artist.
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[Kevin Kinsey]

Programmer In Training wrote:
> I would go to questions, but I'm not sure it's relevant there so I
> thought I'd ask here.
>
> I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
> CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
> play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
> Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).

Tried lame?

KDK

[Programmer In Training]

On 04/07/10 12:42, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> Programmer In Training wrote:
>> I would go to questions, but I'm not sure it's relevant there so I
>> thought I'd ask here.
>>
>> I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
>> CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
>> play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
>> Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).
>
> Tried lame?

<snip>

lame is an encoder, so no, I haven't tried using it to rip the cd.

Here is the output from cdparanoia though:

cdparanoia -B -d /dev/cd0
cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001)
(C) 2001 Monty <mo...@xiph.org> and Xiphophorus
FreeBSD porting (c) 2003
Simon 'corecode' Schubert <core...@corecode.ath.cx>

Report bugs to para...@xiph.org
http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/

006: Could not read any data from drive

Cdparanoia could not find a way to read audio from this drive.

So ripping seems to be out, as does playing unless I want to use
'cdcontrol' (which is an option, but highly annoying).

[Kevin Kinsey]

Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> Programmer In Training wrote:
>> I would go to questions, but I'm not sure it's relevant there so I
>> thought I'd ask here.
>>
>> I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
>> CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
>> play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
>> Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).
>
> Tried lame?

Ok, so you don't wanna rip it. You can't "mount" an audio CD.
As a non-root user, you can't access the CD directly. You can't
run vlc by itself as the superuser, so you're stuck? Is this
correct?

Try "sudo vlc-wrapper", then try "Open Disc", pick CD, and
Track 0. Does that work?

HTH,

KDK

[Paul B Mahol]

On 4/7/10, Programmer In Training <p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> wrote:
> On 04/07/10 12:42, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
>> Programmer In Training wrote:
>>> I would go to questions, but I'm not sure it's relevant there so I
>>> thought I'd ask here.
>>>
>>> I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
>>> CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
>>> play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
>>> Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).
>>
>> Tried lame?
> <snip>
>
> lame is an encoder, so no, I haven't tried using it to rip the cd.
>
> Here is the output from cdparanoia though:
>
> cdparanoia -B -d /dev/cd0
> cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001)
> (C) 2001 Monty <mo...@xiph.org> and Xiphophorus
> FreeBSD porting (c) 2003
> Simon 'corecode' Schubert <core...@corecode.ath.cx>
>
> Report bugs to para...@xiph.org
> http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/
>
> 006: Could not read any data from drive
>
> Cdparanoia could not find a way to read audio from this drive.
>
> So ripping seems to be out, as does playing unless I want to use
> 'cdcontrol' (which is an option, but highly annoying).

Perhaps it is DRM protected?

[Lowell Gilbert]

Programmer In Training <p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> writes:

> I would go to questions, but I'm not sure it's relevant there so I
> thought I'd ask here.
>
> I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
> CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
> play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
> Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).

Return it as defective. Even if this is a case of copy protection, that
makes it defective. To be honest, I doubt that it's intentional copy
protection, but I don't see why it matters anyway.

> Just an FYI, I do not download torrents of music (owned or otherwise, if
> I own it why do I need to torrent it), and this won't change that fact.
> It will, however, color future ideas about purchasing from this artist.

Don't blame the artist; blame the record label. If they *own* the
record label, then go ahead and put the blame anywhere you like.

[Programmer In Training]

No, it doesn't. Good idea though (and I've been meaning to install sudo).

So it's safe to assume this CD is copy protected.

Thanks for the help guys and again, sorry if this was the wrong list to
post to.

[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

Programmer In Training <p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> writes:

> So it's safe to assume this CD is copy protected.

I have a couple of "copy-protected" CDs here that I bought by accident (I
wouldn't have bought them if I knew they were "protected").

They have two things in common:

1) They won't play in my HiFi DVD player
2) I had zero trouble ripping them (using iTunes on Windows XP)

I don't remember if I ever tried to rip them using FreeBSD or Linux.

So copy protection does not, in fact, prevent copying, but it does
prevent some legitimate use cases, even the kind of use cases that the
labels *do* want to allow.

DES
--
Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no

[Programmer In Training]

Please folks, quit CCing me. I'm subscribed to the list. I even state as
much in my sig. All this extra mail is just clutter.

On 04/07/10 16:09, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> Programmer In Training <p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> writes:
>
>> I would go to questions, but I'm not sure it's relevant there so I
>> thought I'd ask here.
>>
>> I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
>> CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
>> play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
>> Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).
>
> Return it as defective. Even if this is a case of copy protection, that
> makes it defective. To be honest, I doubt that it's intentional copy
> protection, but I don't see why it matters anyway.

It's not a matter of money and even if it were, I won the CD in a legal
contest.

>> Just an FYI, I do not download torrents of music (owned or otherwise, if
>> I own it why do I need to torrent it), and this won't change that fact.
>> It will, however, color future ideas about purchasing from this artist.
>
> Don't blame the artist; blame the record label. If they *own* the
> record label, then go ahead and put the blame anywhere you like.

Then the artists, if they are opposed to such measures, should seek a
different label. I can't hurt the label directly without hurting the
artist, too. In war the artists would be termed collateral damage. This
is a war. One the RIAA and artists like Metallica started (though I will
admit that bootleggers had a big hand in making it a war).

I'm firing back full bore. I will not sit idly by and be treated as if
I'm a criminal.

[Programmer In Training]

I don't use iTunes (and refuse to do so for various reasons, mostly
having to do with my opinion of Jobs and Apple in general). I'm going to
try Winamp on XP tonight.

[Fabian Keil]

Programmer In Training <p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> wrote:

> I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
> CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
> play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
> Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).

If you can play the disc with cdcontrol I would expect
that you can also rip it without problems using cdda2wav,
which is part of the port sysutils/cdrtools-devel.

> Is this a problem with copy protection? If so, how would I verify that
> (I don't think that such information would be printed anywhere).

At least in Germany audio discs with intentional defects are
usually marked as "copy protected" (or similar sounding nonsense)
on the back and additionally lack the CDDA logo (as they don't
comply with the standard).

Fabian

[Programmer In Training]

On 04/08/10 09:35, Fabian Keil wrote:
> Programmer In Training <p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> wrote:
>
>> I just received a new, never been unwrapped before I touched it, audio
>> CD (Santcus Real, Pieces of a Real Heart). I can play it via 'cdcontrol
>> play' but it won't play in VLC, Audacious won't recognize it, and
>> Asunder can't rip it (for my fair use copy).
>
> If you can play the disc with cdcontrol I would expect
> that you can also rip it without problems using cdda2wav,
> which is part of the port sysutils/cdrtools-devel.

That seems to be working, thanks. I still won't be buying any CDs from
this group.

>> Is this a problem with copy protection? If so, how would I verify that
>> (I don't think that such information would be printed anywhere).
>
> At least in Germany audio discs with intentional defects are
> usually marked as "copy protected" (or similar sounding nonsense)
> on the back and additionally lack the CDDA logo (as they don't
> comply with the standard).
>
> Fabian

Well, I don't see the CDDA logo anywhere on the printed material that
came with the disk and jewel case. Going to verify with another group's
CD just to be sure that such is printed on discs here.

[Frank Shute]

On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 04:38:27PM -0500, Programmer In Training wrote:
>
> Please folks, quit CCing me. I'm subscribed to the list. I even state as
> much in my sig. All this extra mail is just clutter.

FYI, it's standard netiquette to cc people on a mailing list aswell as
usenet. If you don't like it set up mail/procmail or unsubscribe from
the list.

My email client, Mutt, has a group reply feature specifically for
replying to mailing list post which involves it cc'ing the OP. Don't
expect the users of this list to change their habits to save you work.

[snip]

> --
> Yours In Christ,

Being an atheist, I also find this offensive and I suspect I'm not the
only one it offends. After all, this is a multi-faith,
multi-denominational list.

I don't feel the need to advertise my religious beliefs, why do you?

Regards,

--

Frank

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