Ok so I turned on logging and restarted Lucee. So one of the sites that wouldn't start previously started just fine this time but one of the sites that was working fails. here is the entry logs.
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => E:\Websites\
centricbeta.com\www\
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
www.centricbeta.com[mod_cfml] tcHost contains ':' ? => false
[mod_cfml] lastContext = 1431019882328
[mod_cfml] throttleDate = 127
[mod_cfml] throttleValue = 5
[mod_cfml] Removing old config directory: C:\railo02\tomcat\conf\Catalina\
www.centricbeta.com[mod_cfml] Creating new config directory: C:\railo02\tomcat\conf\Catalina\
www.centricbeta.com[mod_cfml] Removing old work directory: C:\railo02\tomcat\work\Catalina\
www.centricbeta.com[mod_cfml] Creating context file: C:\railo02\tomcat\conf\Catalina\
www.centricbeta.com/ROOT.xml[mod_cfml] Wait for context? => true
[mod_cfml] Verifying context files...
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [0]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [1]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [2]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [3]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [4]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [5]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [6]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [7]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [8]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [9]
[mod_cfml] Wait loop ended. Context files found? [true]
[mod_cfml] Creating New Host...
[mod_cfml] setName Value =>
www.centricbeta.com===================================================================
WEB CONTEXT (CentricBeta)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
- config:E:\Railo-WEB-INF\CentricBeta (custom setting)
- webroot:E:\Websites\
centricbeta.com\www\
- hash:aa4170b9703dd6431d91feac87795bcf
- label:CentricBeta
===================================================================
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Rredirect URL => '/lb/default.cfm'
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/admin/server.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => null
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/res/css/admin-15db2ffdfa2123ae.css.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => 1431027094984
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/admin/resources/js/jquery-1.7.2.min.js.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => null
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/admin/resources/js/jquery.blockUI.js.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => null
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/admin/resources/js/admin.js.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => null
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/form.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => null
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/res/img/spinner16.gif.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => null
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/res/img/admin_sprite.png.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => null
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lucee/admin/update.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => CFID=51e6d025-3c6b-4ec3-b7ac-442ccf503598&CFTOKEN=0&adminType=server
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => null
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
127.0.0.1:8802[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid DocRoot: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Decoded Requst URI => /lb/default.cfm
[mod_cfml] QueryString => null
[mod_cfml] DocRoot Value => E:\Websites\
dev.karilyndesigns.com\www\
[mod_cfml] Host Value =>
dev.karilyndesigns.com[mod_cfml] tcHost contains ':' ? => false
[mod_cfml] lastContext = 1431027038081
[mod_cfml] throttleDate = 127
[mod_cfml] throttleValue = 6
[mod_cfml] Removing old config directory: C:\railo02\tomcat\conf\Catalina\
dev.karilyndesigns.com[mod_cfml] Creating new config directory: C:\railo02\tomcat\conf\Catalina\
dev.karilyndesigns.com[mod_cfml] Removing old work directory: C:\railo02\tomcat\work\Catalina\
dev.karilyndesigns.com[mod_cfml] Creating context file: C:\railo02\tomcat\conf\Catalina\
dev.karilyndesigns.com/ROOT.xml[mod_cfml] Wait for context? => true
[mod_cfml] Verifying context files...
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [0]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [1]
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [2]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [3]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [4]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [5]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [6]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [7]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [8]
[mod_cfml] Waiting for context files: [9]
[mod_cfml] Wait loop ended. Context files found? [true]
[mod_cfml] Creating New Host...
[mod_cfml] setName Value => null
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
[mod_cfml] FATAL: Invalid host: Null or zero-length.
there is more from the one that started ok but figured i would send this firt.