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We would like to reiterate for the avoidance of doubt that for those currently using Lucee, the Lucee project is a perfectly legitimate fork of the Railo 4.2 LGPL project.
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Alex Skinner
On behalf of Lucee Association Switzerland
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Railo 4.2 was published with a GNU license: https://github.com/getrailo/railo/blob/master/License.txtIt seems to me that, unless there’s Non-OSS code in Lucee, the fork is on the up-and-up and any claim to violations of IP rights is smoke and mirrors.
I think the best thing the community could do right now is to stop speculating. It will do nothing but spread FUD.
For better or worse this is something that LAS, RT and TRC must sort out between themselves.
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Railo 4.2 was published with a GNU license: https://github.com/getrailo/railo/blob/master/License.txtIt seems to me that, unless there’s Non-OSS code in Lucee, the fork is on the up-and-up and any claim to violations of IP rights is smoke and mirrors. The use of the Railo name in the license is a component of the license, itself.
Non-compete clauses would be a separate issue, but the use of the source code to create a derivative software product is legal.
JonOn May 4, 2015 at 8:30:54 AM, imad...@gmail.com (imad...@gmail.com) wrote:
nice ...--http://blog.getrailo.com/post.cfm/a-message-from-the-majority-shareholder-of-the-railo-company
Le lundi 4 mai 2015 11:34:39 UTC+2, Adam Cameron a écrit :In case you missed it:And my initial take on it:--Adam
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On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Jon Clausen wrote:Railo 4.2 was published with a GNU license: https://github.com/getrailo/railo/blob/master/License.txtIt seems to me that, unless there’s Non-OSS code in Lucee, the fork is on the up-and-up and any claim to violations of IP rights is smoke and mirrors.The initial 4.5 fork is probably on the up-and-up from a source code licensing perspective (though I haven't looked at the actual diffs).
However, I have little doubt that much of what was released as Lucee 5 was developed by people employed by RT GmbH. I don't know about Swiss labour laws, but I wouldn't bet against the IP on that part of the code not being the private property of the developers, but of RT GmbH. At that time Railo GmbH (and depending on the contracts those peoplbetween e individually) were under contract with TRC. Depending on the actual contracts (which we don't know and probably won't know unless the court publishes them) the parties that may mean that the IP was with TRC. If that is the case, the selective quote from the actual contract in the blogpost suggests RT GmbH was not authorised to release it.
There are 3 if's there, but if TRC can prove all this the unreleased code is essentially non-OSS and the case is then even covered in the GPL FAQ:If, and again this is a big if, this is proven that is also an issue for the people using Lucee. Since in this hypothetical scenario RT GmbH never had title of the IP it couldn't release it and license it so in that case running Lucee is just as illegal as running a pirated Windows or Photoshop.All the other stuff about non-compete clauses and acting in "bad faith" should not affect users of Lucee, but may affect the people developing Lucee.
All this is a little silly anyway. Lucee is open source under the same copy-left license as Railo. If TRC were interested in features now released as part of Lucee, they could simply merge them into the project!
My only explanation for this is that 4F unhappy with the fork and trying to come up with a way to hurt it.
Thanks!~BradOn Monday, May 4, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Jochem van Dieten wrote:On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Jon Clausen wrote:Railo 4.2 was published with a GNU license: https://github.com/getrailo/railo/blob/master/License.txtIt seems to me that, unless there’s Non-OSS code in Lucee, the fork is on the up-and-up and any claim to violations of IP rights is smoke and mirrors.The initial 4.5 fork is probably on the up-and-up from a source code licensing perspective (though I haven't looked at the actual diffs).However, I have little doubt that much of what was released as Lucee 5 was developed by people employed by RT GmbH. I don't know about Swiss labour laws, but I wouldn't bet against the IP on that part of the code not being the private property of the developers, but of RT GmbH. At that time Railo GmbH (and depending on the contracts those peoplbetween e individually) were under contract with TRC. Depending on the actual contracts (which we don't know and probably won't know unless the court publishes them) the parties that may mean that the IP was with TRC. If that is the case, the selective quote from the actual contract in the blogpost suggests RT GmbH was not authorised to release it.There are 3 if's there, but if TRC can prove all this the unreleased code is essentially non-OSS and the case is then even covered in the GPL FAQ:If, and again this is a big if, this is proven that is also an issue for the people using Lucee. Since in this hypothetical scenario RT GmbH never had title of the IP it couldn't release it and license it so in that case running Lucee is just as illegal as running a pirated Windows or Photoshop.All the other stuff about non-compete clauses and acting in "bad faith" should not affect users of Lucee, but may affect the people developing Lucee.Jochem
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> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#StolenCopy> just as illegal as running a pirated Windows or Photoshop.This doesn't seem very applicable, Jochem.
Frankly it assumes TRC was in possession of the code (if it even existed) in the first place.
Can TRC show specifically where they paid $$ in agreement for Railo 5 to be delivered?
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I can't help but read Railo can get f*cked.
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