Might want to re-post your question if you haven't already on the discourse forum (http://lucee.org:8080/) which will eventually be http://discourse.lucee.org as they aren't going to be using this google group any more in favor of Discourse.
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Hi Andere,
I would also like an official clarification as to what it means, we can all assume that it means the removal of the "dumbest tags ever to be created"(tm) but if they start breaking backwards compatability or inconsitencies in how the old core cfml tags work we are also going to have some major problems. Our software is designed to work equally good with both Adobe as well as Railo/Lucee. The more the languages differ from one another the harder it is for us to maintain and manage, and the more code branches we will need. So I am truly hoping that its only the crappy front-end tags that will be dropped.
I would also like an official clarification as to what it means, we can all assume that it means the removal of the "dumbest tags ever to be created"(tm) but if they start breaking backwards compatability or inconsitencies in how the old core cfml tags work we are also going to have some major problems. Our software is designed to work equally good with both Adobe as well as Railo/Lucee. The more the languages differ from one another the harder it is for us to maintain and manage, and the more code branches we will need. So I am truly hoping that its only the crappy front-end tags that will be dropped.
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On Feb 5, 2015, at 10:59 AM, ADK <and...@leftbower.com> wrote:
> This is such a tricky subject.
Indeed.
> However, I imagine - and perhaps I am completely wrong - that Lucee hopes to (eventually anyways) grab members from the ACF community to "seed" its base.
I’m not so sure.
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Moving stuff to extensionsSo first of all the facts, Lucee 5 is moving a lot of stuff out of the core to extensions, this includes- ORM (Hibernate)- Search (Lucene)- Form tags (YES!!!)- Datasources (don't be afraid, some of them are preinstalled)
depreciation framework
So what could be the medium for Lucee, that is very simple, the medium are templates (.cfc,.cfm).What if Lucee acts different depending on the file extension.
Re: lucee extension - I think that's a great idea!
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On Feb 5, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Andrew Penhorwood wrote:
> Pascal died back in the 80s.
I shed a tear for it’s passing - it was the first programming language I learned in depth, back in ’79 (I’d done a little Algol 60 before then).
Moving stuff to extensions
depreciation framework
ACF compatibility
- .lc would be a nice extension if it's not commonly used. I'm imagining typing .lucee 10,000 times..
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- .lc woul be a nice extension if it's not commonly used. I'm imagining typing .lucee 10,000 times..http://filext.com/file-extension/LC
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- .lc would be a nice extension if it's not commonly used. I'm imagining typing .lucee 10,000 times..
What if Lucee acts different depending on the file extension.So all templates with .cfm and .cfc extensions are still handled the old way, but files with the extension .lucee are handled in a modern way.
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it is not my intention to call it ".lucee"
Agreed. Besides, if a real IDE is supported, no one will ever have to type the extension, anyway. I'm not sure I've ever typed ".groovy" other than just now in this email.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding, Micha, but I thought it was pretty clear that the vast majority was very much in favor. There'd be no other reason to discuss the extension. :-)
To be extra clear, I personally could not possibly be more in favor of the idea of moving forward and leaving Adobe completely in the dust so that "outsiders" can be enticed to give it a try, and this idea is quite likely the best way to do just that.
> To infinity and beyond!
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it's funny, no body is discussion about the general idea, only about the extension for it ;-)It's like we asked if we should get a new car and everybody is already discussing about the color of the car.Adam asked what "what if" means, if this is already in the pipeline or just a idea?If the community likes the idea, we go for it! technically there are no hurdles we cannot cross.
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On 6 Feb 2015, at 11:27, Adam Cameron <dac...@gmail.com> wrote:I didn't see any point in discussing it further prior to clarifying whether you were simply speculating, or whether it was going to happen. Which you still haven't. If it was merely a "what if...?" then my reaction is "lovely, but can we discuss something concrete pls, otherwise we're just wasting our time”.
And the file extension "conversation" only cropped up because someone admitted being too lazy to type five characters for a file extension. I didn't think it needed conversation at all. The extension should be ".lucee", and should be the same for both class and view files.
Still: ppl like chatting... there's nothing wrong with that.
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On 6 Feb 2015, at 11:34, Adam Cameron <dac...@gmail.com> wrote:If I ruled, [...]People would revolt.
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Just my 2 cents, but why worry the extension name at all...make it a setting in the Serve and/or Web admin so that people can use whatever extension they want forneach of the 3 file handlers (CFML, CF Component and Lucee). Use a comma delimited list or something.
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about the extension, it is not my intention to call it ".lucee" that was just to make it clear that there could be a lucee specific extension.so let's think about it:Distinction between component and templates?So the first question is, do we need a distinction with the extension?