Graeber & Wengrow 'The Dawn of Everything,' brief review

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David Dewhurst

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            Hi Everybody - well, only 750 (+ 18) words - also as attachment

Graeber Wengrow Dawn Everything 13Nov21

Needed for Political Dialogue

David Graeber and Wengrow’s ‘The Dawn of Everything’ – A New History of Humanity’ is seen by many (me, NN Taleb) as stupendous. Inevitably its challenge to the status quo has already triggered a trickle of faint praise and (imo) misgrasps or misframes (Guardian, New Statesman). It will doubtless receive a more full blooded assault as it gains wider public attention.

Sure, every reviewer has to burnish their credentials with some criticism. (I won’t disappoint.) However Graeber and Wengrow’s remorseless detail and exemplification provides the tilth, and a lot of rationale, for more thinly held anti-hierarchy idealisms. Yup, it’s 135 pages longer than, ‘Debt, the first 5000 years,’ (before the notes begin); however there’s a thread of ironic humour which has got me through, with some enjoyable procrastination, in only a fortnight – so definitely your choice for Christmas, Solstice, Yule, Winterful – and still 100 pages less than, ‘Dune.’

Essentially the last few decades of archaeology and anthropology show that the myth of egalitarian hunter-gatherer tribes followed by agricultural and authoritarian states is just that. ‘Hunter gatherers’ can live in ‘democratic’/egalitarian cities, ‘states’ or confederations or authoritarian ones; ditto communities based on farming. All these terms tend to be simplistic polarisations. There is no valid clockwork ‘stage’ theory from apparent economic simplicity to complexity which compels hierarchy and authoritarianism, or at least mass indoctrination.

Ideally here I’d give you three compelling exemplars, but I’d guess your brain would wheedle out of them. It’ll be harder after 526 pages.

Likewise, when David and David say that the Enlightenment and ‘Western values’ were brought in by the revelations of Native American ideology you will have reservations – if, as a kid, you watched ‘Cowboys & Indians’ on telly, like me.

What the authors show is that politically self-reflective societies existed for millennia before the ‘Enlightenment,’ particularly in North America. Moreover societies played or oscillated between ‘hunter-gathering’ and agriculture for centuries or millennia with signs of a more sophisticated evaluation than current cost-benefit analysis.

They illustrate conventional misconceptions as stemming from 19th century reactionary counter-attacks (sometimes swallowed by, ‘the left’). I expect this dynamic to be validated by reaction to Davids’ doorstopper.

Thus they have done an excellent job of dethroning the existing simple story. Frustratingly they have not provided a new one, to show how we might sustain uncoercive prosperous societies. However some possible elements are indicated. (Spoiler alert: patriarchy looks like an impediment.).

That is the job for the rest of us to take forward. As some sort of psychologist I suspect there is still worthwhile ore in evolutionary psychology, sociobiology and more sophisticated game theory, although all of them have been traduced by simplistic social-Darwinist narratives.

I think the authors underplay European pre-Columbian political challenges. The last third of the 1647 Putney Debates references the 1217 Charter of the Forest rather than the ambiguities of Shakespeare’s Caliban projected during the 16th century slave trade. Even Machiavelli upheld democracy in, ‘Discourses on Livy.’

As an obsessional reader of notes and references I found nothing significant to cavil at. Some reviewers have twisted, ‘many’ or ‘most’ statements into, ‘all’ statements and then triumphantly exemplified the exception.

I’d justify posting this on the Economic WG list as it provides a socio/ecological context for our ballpark. Likewise my mates in the Cybernetics Society will like the final note recognising that it could all have been written in terms of systems theory and acknowledging the guidance of Nora and Gregory Bateson.

The idea of ‘schizmogenesis’ or desperately identifying our ‘identity’ with whatever the ‘other’ is not will be part of the future conversation, along with the recognition that our brain is predominantly tens of billions of neural flip-flops which are conformable to a homomorphism with much more than we generally manifest. This links with the authors’ critique of social science as seeking a reduction to deterministic compulsion, rather than reflective and collective growth of capacity and variety.

My rationale for emailing this screed is that Amazon won’t accept my review as there is less than £40 on my account for the last year, and today is a Facebook boycott day.

I knew David Graeber less well than others around Occupy London. To argue ad hominem, he was a very decent bloke, though understandably seeming sometimes ill at ease and frustrated and, in one case, bloody difficult to herd into an organised debate. But I feel an even deeper sadness knowing that we have lost his awesome practical scholarship. Regards also to David Wengrow.

It is for us to continue from where David Graeber left us.

Dave D

[btw it's all easier to read than some of my paragraphs..

Regards,

Dave]

Graeber Wengrow Dawn Everything 13Nov21.docx

Clive Menzies

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Nov 13, 2021, 12:07:05 PM11/13/21
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Thanks David

Glad to hear you're still active :-)

On the subject of Amazon, what can I say? Post Covid, Amazon has become the global Kommisariat Emporium within the growing global gulag, all competition having been destroyed as a precursor to the Great Reset... I try to avoid Amazon wherever I can but it gets increasingly difficult to find alternative sources. I've not conducted extensive research but digital book-burning seems to be part of the emerging tyrannical landscape - titles disappearing from both Amazon's "shop" and Kindle irrespective that people had purchased them in good faith.

As you probably recall, we referenced Debt, the First 5,000 Years in our analysis at Critical Thinking as well as the video with the two Davids on paleo-political economy. https://vimeo.com/145285143

Since Critical Thinking's final analysis (published on the 18 October 2019, the same day as the rehearsal for what has been going on in the last 20 months, Event 201) we further developed our work on money. Interestingly, we discovered that Marx, Engels and Lewis H Morgan were exploring the dynamics of human relationships in families and small groups 150 years earlier.

By coincidence, I presented a snapshot of where we've got to in our work last Monday, at a meeting in London - I've just posted the video.

https://www.outersite.org/covid-pseudopandemic-and-money/

I may get around to delving into the Wengrove/Graeber tome but your assessment will do for now :-)

Regards

Clive

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Mark Barrett

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Nov 13, 2021, 2:06:01 PM11/13/21
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Thanks David 
I'm really enjoying the book. It's got so much to offer about possibilities for the future and also draws a mind blowing picture of the past. So many revelations about how our ancestors lived. I especially like how women were the first soil and plant scientists and the image of the first clay and play farming based cultural area in the Levant and th fact that it was contrary to commonly told history egalitarian and starkly in contrast to the hierarchical skull gathering men led ( and less farmy) communities in the north. Also fascinating how history ( fire tech led cultures superceded eventually by clay and soil tech led cultures) maps the Islamic idea of beings of fire ruling the world being replaced by beings of clay. And how the top fire creature, in theological terms Satan, refused to bow to God's superior model, made of clay and how he has been tryin to bring us down to his level by any means necessary ever since.  In short,the original farmers rocked. 

But really enough of my nonsense. Ans there is so much in it impossible to know where to begin in reviewing. I am impressed you even thought to try David!  

By the way you may be interested in this also as you are a psychologist 

Cheers  to all 

Mark 



Clive Menzies

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Nov 13, 2021, 2:50:52 PM11/13/21
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Hi Mark

Well now you've done it! I think I'm going to have to read it sooner rather than later - between you, you've convinced me :-)

Not least because of this:

The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State: in the Light of the Researches of
Lewis H. Morgan 7 . The book is an early anthropological work and is regarded as one of the first
major works on family economics .
Some of their conclusion were fundamental in relation to the origins of Private Property and the
State
The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State begins with an extensive discussion of Ancient
Society which describes the major stages of human development as commonly understood in Engels's time.
It is argued that the first domestic institution in human history was the matrilineal clan. Engels here
follows Lewis H. Morgan 's thesis as outlined in his major book, Ancient Society. Morgan was a pioneering
American anthropologist and business lawyer who championed the land rights of Native Americans and
became adopted as an honorary member of the Seneca Iroquois tribe. Traditionally, the Iroquois had lived
in communal longhouses based on matrilineal descent and matrilocal residence , an arrangement giving
women much solidarity and power. Writing shortly after Marx’s death, Engels stressed the theoretical
significance of Morgan’s highlighting of the matrilineal clan:
The rediscovery of the original mother-right gens as the stage preliminary to the father-right gens of the
civilized peoples has the same significance for the history of primitive society as Darwin’s theory of evolution
has for biology, and Marx’s theory of surplus value for political economy.
Engels, Friedrich (1884). "Preface to the Fourth Edition". The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the
State. New York: Pathfinder Press. pp. 27–38, the quotation is on p.36.

The brain is not a computer? The more I learn, the more I encounter the limitations of reductive logic, highlighting the need for inductive, intuitive reasoning. Abstraction of data from highly complex issues/systems and reductionist thinking got us into this mess.

A quotation that resonates is from Werner Heisenberg: “The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”

Clive x

david wilkinson

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Nov 13, 2021, 2:51:49 PM11/13/21
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Greetings Clive and Favid
Voices from past - ten years, is it? Glad you're still alive and kicking, at greater length than I can usually manage now. Old and lazy....
Today it struck me what a scandal it was that the Ireland-|New Zealand rugby match would be the last available on national media, switched over to Amazon Prime. Freeview or not, I havent checked. But a kick in the teeth for hard-working people and the clowns who waved the Brexit freedom flag... Whoever got to vote for imperial Amazon?
My wife's Irish and we live in Wales... As for cricket, the diversity of UK county teams has gone down about 75% in the last few years, with most players now privately educated whites.... Have I got that right?  Does it matter? 
Greg

Clive Menzies

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Nov 13, 2021, 3:05:17 PM11/13/21
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HI Greg

Good to hear from you too. I'm afraid I can't offer much in the way of support or consolation.

Bread and circuses to keep the human herd distracted and divided en route to the abattoir...

Regards

Clive

Clive Menzies

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Nov 13, 2021, 3:16:24 PM11/13/21
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David Dewhurst

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Nov 13, 2021, 6:25:22 PM11/13/21
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Thanks Mark, 
I appreciate our shared enthusiasm.
I've mixed feelings about the Robert Epstein article. It would be a good task for a student to review. I'm too sleepy. I disagree with, 'the IP metaphor is not even slightly valid.' Metaphors generally denote similarity at some level but not when they are pushed too far. 'I gotta use words when I talk to you.' Ok 'information' gets used both for pulses in wires, magnetic flips and subjective meaning.
Various monotheist medieval theologians discussed whether you could talk about God (the unknowable?) and some accepted that metaphor could help. Poetry kinda works. Yup one day we'll get better metaphors. Sally Ingram's coming book about bio-qbits may be the next.
Sure we are not audio-visual recorders but artificial 'neural nets' are simulacra of, well, neural nets in the head.
Newton was embarrassed about the implausible 'action at a distance' in his theory of gravity but we've usefully stumbled along with it for centuries. I think we'll get much closer to identifying elements of memory storage before we can explain sensations or 'raw feels' in meat.
At least/unfortunately with social 'science' we can kind of co-create it as we weave or discover better stories.

All the best,
Dave

Mark Barrett

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Nov 14, 2021, 1:33:53 AM11/14/21
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David et Al, the bit of the book on truly Old Europe Ukrainian megasites. It's page 288- 297 
7000 year old Mega sites / cities of possibly 10s of 1000s and set within a region of numerous such cities.  with no hierarchy, assembly houses, central assembly spaces and evidence of enormous creativity, fine artistic output  and variety at the local household / small neighbourhood level. Female orientated in their arts.  Very complex societies with no evidence of state trappings whatsoever. They farmed, but also totally mixed economy and enormous variety in diet so also hunted, foraged, and traded widely. Virtually no evidence of strife or warfare either internally or otherwise ( thus far). Mysteriously abandoned 4th millenium BC after approx 8 centuries of function. 

 Totally overlooked in usual history of the origins of cities ( which habitually focus on Mesopotamia with its various centralised institutions)

By way of just one fine example 
 



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david wilkinson

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Nov 14, 2021, 11:41:26 AM11/14/21
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Yup that passage caught my attention, though, as you suggest, the disappearance needs some thought... Didn't old Jericho come and go a lot before Joshua could have got to it?  To me what the whole story highlights is the real possibility as well as necessity of choice, as with the older discussion of chimps and bonobos. We have more than one trajectory built into us, and it's now up to us to glean best practice and models from all ages and use the 'best' and 'worst' of our own personal and social disposition to fit in ways that may be useful, or at least harmless.
If we've time
All the best

david wilkinson

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Intuition - imagination - science : a sort of tripod for stable understanding of uncharted depths, inner and outer?
Greg

Clive Menzies

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Nov 14, 2021, 1:48:38 PM11/14/21
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John Courtneidge

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Nov 15, 2021, 3:48:50 AM11/15/21
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It is disconcerting that the plan for the future that Occupy London adopted, after due process, hasn't formed the basis for this book and its review.

In due course I suppose.

The name of that plan is the plan for Co-operative Socialism.

There is an Occupy London webpage for this. And YouTube videos and a radio interview by Tony Gosling, there also, entitled 'Reform the City of London says Occupy's John Courtneidge'

(Which, incidentally, Schwab co-opted - and corrupted - for his 'Great Reset' plan.)

Very best wishes to you all,

For The Common Good,

John Courtneidge

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david wilkinson

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I think Einstein said that his maths was prompted by intuitions, dreams and his playing and listening to music as a child - an endpoint, not the starting point. I've had the same impression dipping into Shakespeare sonnets, where the last two lines often seem to be a logical QED to the romantic musings of the earlier ones.  It would be interesting to know which lines came first into his mind. The other day I heard Jane Campion talking about her new cowboy film and what led up to that. She talked of just biding her time, doing whatever she was doing until an idea grabbed her. Her defining couplet had to do with the unconscious always being a jump ahead of intellect...
The baby that pops out of the bathwater?
Greg

Clive Menzies

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Nov 15, 2021, 7:25:10 AM11/15/21
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Hi Greg

I attended an interesting talk on "shake spear" in August:

https://www.outersite.org/media-in-elizabethan-i-england/

And John Dee was very much the mystic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTX2X-WtM_Q

Regards

Clive

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