CONNECTION PROBLEM

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Kağan GENÇ

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Mar 8, 2022, 2:51:24 AM3/8/22
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Hi Leonard and Kennedy,

I have been modeling a RC concrete slab subjected to blast loading so that I am using MM-ALE elements to model air and explosive. At first I modeled this by coarse meshes then by finer meshes. In this case, I do not expect the fluid(air) elements go through the slab, espcially, at the boundaries which enabled me to model 1/8 of the setup. For the coarse mesh used test, I have never seen fluid particles that go through the slab. However, for the finer mesh one, I have observed that the fluid particles directly go through the slab even if I use the same values and the same keyword for the connection namely, CONSTRAINED_LAGRANGE_IN_SOLID. 
Coarse Mesh Test
Ekran görüntüsü 2022-03-08 164108.jpg
Finer Mesh Test
Ekran görüntüsü 2022-03-08 164206.jpg

These two images given above belongs to the same time of the explosion. While the model with coarse meshes is able to resist the force, the model with finer meshes is not able resist force and let fluid go through the slab interestingly. The keyword I used for the connection between lagrange and ALE elements is given below. 
Ekran görüntüsü 2022-03-08 164840.jpg

Any help would be appreciated. 

Kind wishes,

GENC OGUZ KAGAN

l...@schwer.net

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Mar 8, 2022, 9:57:31 AM3/8/22
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Hello Kagan –

 

I am not sure I understand your mesh. Are you just showing the detonation products? The Eulerian mesh should cover the Lagrange mesh and not terminate at the common surface between Eulerian and Lagrange meshes.

 

               --len

 

From: ls-d...@googlegroups.com <ls-d...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kagan GENÇ
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 11:51 PM
To: LS-DYNA2 <ls-d...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [LS-DYNA2] CONNECTION PROBLEM

 

Hi Leonard and Kennedy,

 

I have been modeling a RC concrete slab subjected to blast loading so that I am using MM-ALE elements to model air and explosive. At first I modeled this by coarse meshes then by finer meshes. In this case, I do not expect the fluid(air) elements go through the slab, espcially, at the boundaries which enabled me to model 1/8 of the setup. For the coarse mesh used test, I have never seen fluid particles that go through the slab. However, for the finer mesh one, I have observed that the fluid particles directly go through the slab even if I use the same values and the same keyword for the connection namely, CONSTRAINED_LAGRANGE_IN_SOLID. 

Coarse Mesh Test

Finer Mesh Test

 

These two images given above belongs to the same time of the explosion. While the model with coarse meshes is able to resist the force, the model with finer meshes is not able resist force and let fluid go through the slab interestingly. The keyword I used for the connection between lagrange and ALE elements is given below. 

 

Any help would be appreciated. 

Kind wishes,

 

GENC OGUZ KAGAN

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James M. Kennedy

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Mar 8, 2022, 4:23:29 PM3/8/22
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Dear Kagan,

 

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Please check your coupling input (nquad and mcoup)?

 

From the following link:

https://ftp.lstc.com/anonymous/outgoing/jday/jim_ALE_for_MGD_18oct2010.pdf

 

The parameter NQUAD determines the number of coupling points distributed

over each Lagrangian slave segment. If NQUAD=2 (default), then there are

2x2 = 4 coupling points on each Lagrangian slave segment. The coupling

algorithm looks for penetration of any ALE material meeting the conditions

of MASTER, MSTYP, and MCOUP across each of the coupling points. If

penetration at a coupling point is found, coupling forces are applied to count-

eract penetration. The larger the value of NQUAD, the more expensive the

coupling and the more likely the coupling forces will be excessive. If the

Lagrangian slave segments are approximately the same size as or smaller

than the Eulerian/ALE element faces, NQUAD=2 will generally suffice. If

the Lagrangian slave segments are coarser/larger than the ALE element faces,

NQUAD may need to be raised to 3 or higher to provide proper coupling.

 

The parameter MCOUP defines the AMMG(s) to which the Lagrangian slave

side is coupled. In cases where one AMMG dominates the forces imparted to the

Lagrangian structure and the forces from any other AMMGs can be neglected,

MCOUP should be set to 1. This might be the case where the density of one

AMMG is far greater than the density of the other AMMGs. In cases where the

effects of two or more AMMGs need to be considered in the coupling, MCOUP

can be set to a negative number. In this case, |MCOUP| identifies a set of one or

more AMMGs to be considered in the coupling. That set is defined using the

command *SET_MULTIMATERIAL_GROUP_LIST.

 

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Below is a example with a rigid column being impacted by air and water. Taken from

following dynaexample:

https://www.dynaexamples.com/ale/intermediate-example

*ALE_MULTI-MATERIAL_GROUP
$#     sid    idtype
         1         1 Air
         2         1 Water
*SET_MULTI-MATERIAL_GROUP_LIST
$#  ammsid
       101
$# ammgid1
         1
*SET_MULTI-MATERIAL_GROUP_LIST
$#  ammsid
       102
$# ammgid1
         2
*CONSTRAINED_LAGRANGE_IN_SOLID_TITLE
         1 Column-to-Air
$#   slave    master     sstyp     mstyp     nquad     ctype     direc     mcoup
         4         1         1         1         4         4         2      -102
$#   start       end      pfac      fric    frcmin      norm   normtyp      damp
       0.0 1.0000E20       0.1       0.0       0.5         0         0       0.0
$#       k      hmin      hmax     ileak     pleak   lcidpor     nvent    iblock     
       0.0       0.0       0.0         0       0.1         0         0         0
$#   boxid   ipenchk   intforc   ialesof    lagmul    pfacmm      thkf
         0         0         0         0       0.0         0       0.0
*CONSTRAINED_LAGRANGE_IN_SOLID_TITLE
         2 Column-to-Water
$#   slave    master     sstyp     mstyp     nquad     ctype     direc     mcoup
         4         2         1         1         4         4         2      -102
$#   start       end      pfac      fric    frcmin      norm   normtyp      damp
       0.0 1.0000E20       0.1       0.0       0.5         0         0       0.0
$#       k      hmin      hmax     ileak     pleak   lcidpor     nvent    iblock
       0.0       0.0       0.0         0       0.1         0         0         0
$#   boxid   ipenchk   intforc   ialesof    lagmul    pfacmm      thkf
         0         0         0         0       0.0         0       0.0

Sincerely,

James M. Kennedy

KBS2 Inc.

March 8, 2022

 

 

 

 

From: ls-d...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ls-d...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kagan GENÇ
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2022 1:51 AM
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Subject: [LS-DYNA2] CONNECTION PROBLEM

 

Hi Leonard and Kennedy,

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