Coil springs, which way up.

[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Hi guys,

 

I am going to be killed for this but have we got the coil springs the right way up, with the concertinaed part of the coil at the top (refer attached pic). I could swear that when I took them off they were the other way around but maybe it does not matter? Jan the complete axle illustration in the workshop manual actually shows them the other way around with the concertinaed part at the bottom !

 

Another query I have is that the springs are not straight? The shock absorber is straight but the springs are more forward at the front (you can see it in the pic). Is this right?

 

Jan, thanks for all your help and Bertus thanks for the loan of the trolley jack!

 

Dave

[Peter Levey]

Dave the springs certainly don't look right too me.  Dark now so I can't check mine.

Peter Levey
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[Jakob Jordaan]

Looks right to me Dave,

 

At the rear you cannot have it the other way around anyway because you need to attach the “keeping plate” over the first bottom coil

 

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[Jaco Prinsloo]

Hi Dave

According to the drawing in the workshop Manuel it is the wrong way round. Looking at your photo something is definately out of alignment.

 

Jaco Prinsloo

[Jan Kock]

Wat Jaco? We looked at my Defender.
Jan

On 1/31/10, Jaco Prinsloo <jaco.pr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dave
> According to the drawing in the workshop Manuel it is the wrong way round.
> Looking at your photo something is definately out of alignment.
>
> Jaco Prinsloo
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Jakob Jordaan <ja...@global.co.za> wrote:
>
>> Looks right to me Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> At the rear you cannot have it the other way around anyway because you
>> need
>> to attach the “keeping plate” over the first bottom coil
>>
>>
>>
>> Groete
>>
>>
>>
>> Jakob
>>
>> 082-808-1422
>>
>>
>>

>> *From:* lroc-te...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> lroc-te...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *da...@adva-ad.co.za
>> *Sent:* 30 January 2010 18:44
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>> *Subject:* [LROC Techtorque] Coil springs, which way up.

[Jaco Prinsloo]

Hi

Thats why I said according to the DRAWING but looking at the photo something  does not look right.

Jaco

[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Jan, I do think your Defender has the springs fitted the wrong way around.
This is getting interesting!!!

Dave

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To: <lroc-te...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:22 PM
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Wat Jaco? We looked at my Defender.
Jan

On 1/31/10, Jaco Prinsloo <jaco.pr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dave
> According to the drawing in the workshop Manuel it is the wrong way round.
> Looking at your photo something is definately out of alignment.
>
> Jaco Prinsloo
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Jakob Jordaan <ja...@global.co.za> wrote:
>
>> Looks right to me Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> At the rear you cannot have it the other way around anyway because you
>> need

>> to attach the �keeping plate� over the first bottom coil

[Jan Kock]

Really? Let's get some more opinions, whaddayousay?
Jan

On 1/31/10, da...@adva-ad.co.za <da...@adva-ad.co.za> wrote:
> Jan, I do think your Defender has the springs fitted the wrong way around.
> This is getting interesting!!!
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <lroc-te...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [LROC Techtorque] Coil springs, which way up.
>
>
> Wat Jaco? We looked at my Defender.
> Jan
>
> On 1/31/10, Jaco Prinsloo <jaco.pr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Dave
>> According to the drawing in the workshop Manuel it is the wrong way round.
>> Looking at your photo something is definately out of alignment.
>>
>> Jaco Prinsloo
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Jakob Jordaan <ja...@global.co.za> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks right to me Dave,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At the rear you cannot have it the other way around anyway because you
>>> need

>>> to attach the “keeping plate” over the first bottom coil

[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

I agree because I would hate to have to change mine around AGAIN!

Dave

>>> to attach the �keeping plate� over the first bottom coil

[Peter Levey]

Just checked on mine and they are fitted the other way with the concertinaed part at the bottom.

Peter Levey
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leveypa/

to attach the “keeping plate” over the first bottom coil

[Peter Levey]

IOW the same as the manual - methinks Jan's are incorrect

Peter Levey
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leveypa/

[Jan Kock]

Oh Crap!

[Franscois Fitzgerald]

Sorry Jan, I think you should plan to change coil springs around this
weekend. Mine is the same as in Dave's picture.

Oh Crap!

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[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Jan,

Have you still got Bertus' trolley jack? Looks like we may need it again!

Dave

Oh Crap!

>>>>>> to attach the �keeping plate� over the first bottom coil

[Philip Lochner]

The pic from the manual...

[Jan Kock]

Hi Guys
Definitely looks like the other way around from the pic, for sure.
But Francois, then yours is wrong as well?
Jan

On 2/1/10, Philip Lochner <phi...@gpltel.com> wrote:
> The pic from the manual...
>

[Ian Drysdale]

Hi Jan
Why don’t you guys just flip a coin to decide which half of you are going to change your springs around this weekend?

Ian Drysdale

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[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Ian, I put mine on the same as Jan had his with the concertinaed part at the
top. So we are either both wrong or both right and others wrong!

The jury is still out on this one!
Dave

[STABILITAS]

Dave Axle Spring Morgan... (Or for short just call him suspension) It has a
nice ring to it. Don't you think?

Attie

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[Peter Levey]

Bull the jury is not out - all the evidence shows that Jan's and yours are incorrect.  Stop acting like a politician.  Just now you'll say you've been misinterpreted.

Cheers
Peter Levey
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[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Peter,

 

Jan is still fighting! He can't believe that his have been wrong all the time and I need him to come back and help me change mine. We will change his at the same time!

 

For interest what colour coding is on your coil springs, yellow?

[Philip Lochner]

I recon the jury is still out:

 

I can think of a few reasons why the coils close together should go at the top:

1) lesser unsprung mass on the axle (of rather academic interest in this case though);

2) reduced tendency to retain mud and gunk;

3) greater flexibility during extreme X-axles;

4) Manuals can and have been wrong.

 

Best regards

Philip

[alla...@mweb.co.za]

Hi Dave

Mine were fitted by British 4X4 with the consertina at the top, when they replaced them and they should know, I have 100 000 km on them with no problems, I would leave them alone, I think the bend you have in the springs will sort itself out once you have driven the vehicle

My 2c worth

Regards
Allan

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Cc:
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Peter,

 

Jan is still fighting! He can't believe that his have been wrong all the time and I need him to come back and help me change mine. We will change his at the same time!

 

For interest what colour coding is on your coil springs, yellow?

 

[Dirk Uys]

Hi Dave Axle Spring Morgan,

I can hear you laughing already. I had a look at ours....

1995 110 Tdi CSW, at bottom (as per Philip's manual)
2004 110 Tdi pick-up, at top
2006 110 Tdi SW, at top (as received from the dealer)

Looking at the theory.

The force from the coil spring will be the same no matter which way it is installed. However.......

The front coil springs are progressive-rate springs (the coils at one end of the spring wound differently than the other end) . Their spring rate changes as the spring is compressed. As the spring is compressed the rate increases. The section that is more tightly wounded (your concertinaed part) is less stiff and will compress first. As this part of the spring begin to touch as it gets compressed, it become inactive and the spring become more stiff as the number of active coils decreases.

The concertinaed part of the coil will therefore be more sensitive to very small bumps in the road. Therefore it will make sense to me to have the concertinaed part at the bottom not having the stiff part of the spring having to move up and down for the small movement of the springs.

I presume that Land Rover flipped the coils at some stage for some reason, maybe is 2003 when they incorporated a lot of changes like the rear axles that were changed from the Salisbury to the Wolf diffs.

Dave, I would say that Jan's is right and yours wrong.

I am going to leave mine as is.

Dirk

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[Bertus Bekker]

My Dissy has them different ways round  between front and back  .. what a well balanced car

[Renzo Blasa]

Dirk and Dave Axle Spring Morgan:
I had a look at my springs...they do not have a concertina section. However
I changed to heavy duty coils all round years ago so are the springs with
the concertina section the medium duty springs?

Ciao
Renzo

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[Mike Nieuwoudt]

One comment Dirk, the wire- and spring diameters are constant, so the spring rate is very near constant for the close and large spaced coil sections. The progressive rate can only be attributed to the reduction in the number of active coils as the close spaced coil sections go solid.

As percentage of the unsprung mass, I think the attitude of the spring will not make a difference that us mere mortals could appreciate. So I would say, use the attitude that is the easiest for installation, or if you like, the prettiest :-)

[Jan Kock]

Hi Guys
On behalf of me and Axle Morgan: apologies for getting everyone
crawling underneath their Landys!!!
Interesting results though, don't you think?
Upside down, if you ask me! heheheeheh!!!!!!!!!
I am now really confused - spoke to Nic at 3 Lions (Midrand) - reckons
the compressed part is below. Checked a pick up on the lift there -
it's below.
He says that instead of buying heavy duty springs, turn them upside
down (like mine- compressed part up)- same result as heavy duty
springs. Heheheeehhh!!!!
The plot thickens (Sorry- is getting compressed?)
Jan

[Cecil Tivers]

Hi. Yes Renzo, I have also installed the heavy duty springs which are
uniform across their length. The previous ones were "medium" (yellow coded)
were like Dave's.

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[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Hi Jan,

Me thinks that the front springs can be either way, the only happening could
be to effect the ride. What does concern me is the fact that our springs (a
Td5 and a Tdi) are not operating true. They bulge forwards at the bottom. Is
this normal?

[Mike Lauterbach]

Well, I'll certainly stay clear of Nic for technical advice. You will get
marginal differences on micro damping effects depending on which way the
spring is installed, as described in earlier emails, but I very much doubt
it that anyone will notice the actual difference.

Cheers
Mike

[Jan Kock]

I hear you Mike.
Jan

[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Okay guys, some research results from the internet (this applies to the front springs on a Defender).

1. The concertinaed or compressed or tighter pitched coils go at the bottom. I can find no reference to the springs being flipped.
2. There is a left and a right spring. Colour code yellow for the right and white for the left. They are different lengths. Both sides on mine are yellow, oops!
3. The compression effect gets more with time. The compression on my springs is far greater now than when new!

Now a big question? Do the springs get a memory? In other words supposing Jan and I have not refitted mine exactly as they were before, might it cause them to bulge forwards? I am going to rotate them, top to bottom and possibly fit new turret rings as they could be worn and see what happens.

[Andre Oberholster]

Hi Dave – the cause of the bulging is that the upper and lower spring seats are not parallel to each other. You can check this in more-or-less the same way as you did when checking the bow of the axle across the centre of the hub flanges. I have had this self-induced problem – by adjusting the length of the trailing arms for tyre clearance purposes. In your case it is very possible that the factory welded the coil mounts onto the diff incorrectly.   Rgds, Andre.

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I find it very interesting that the springs are different left and right? Why would this be? When one fits aftermarket springs ? (old man emu, tjm, dobinson etc), then the springs are identical left and right?

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[Bertus Bekker]

They do it based on the assumption that a vehicle mostly contains only a driver, and thus needs to be a bit harder on the driver side, Taun

[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Okay, for reference we have flipped the springs and discovered that we had put them back the wrong way around to the way they were before. This is clearly visible from the markings on the top of the spring. So on my Tdi the compressed part of the spring was at the bottom which is what I thought. As to whether it makes any difference to the ride, we cannot say.

 

However unfortunately our problem remains, the springs are bulging forward. We have taken a plum line and discovered that the axle is ±10mm forward of its required line. We used the top mounting point for the shock absorber as the reference. Also if one looks closely we can see that the shock absorber is not hanging central in the cone but hanging forward of the centre line. The only thing that would cause this is if the radius arms were too long but this cannot be or can it? We have checked the radius arm mounting points on the chassis and cannot see that they are bent!

 

What now? Maybe she has been like this all along and I have not noticed. At least the axle appears to be at right angles to the chassis but with the wheel base 10mm longer!

[Renzo Blasa]

Shooting in the dark here.....is there anything else that is wrong now? Does the propshaft fit into the front diff up to the same point as before? I.e. if the axle is further forward then this must be evident in other places too and not just the bent springs.

Are you sure you have fitted the bushes at the rear of the radius arms correctly? Do you have spacers too? In my mind this is the only thing that can push the axle forward.

 

Ciao

Renzo

 

 

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[Jan Kock]

Hi Renzo
I agree - the bushes are the only variables in this equation.
is there a "secret" with regards to those bushes?
Jan

[Mike Lauterbach]

Have you measured the distance between the back and front axle?

 

Cheers

Mike

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Okay, for reference we have flipped the springs and discovered that we had put them back the wrong way around to the way they were before. This is clearly visible from the markings on the top of the spring. So on my Tdi the compressed part of the spring was at the bottom which is what I thought. As to whether it makes any difference to the ride, we cannot say.

[Bertus Bekker]

Agreed - most probably the rear bushes of the front radius arms

[Howard Richardson]

Been watching this discussion/debate for the last few weeks and it seems to go on and on and on and on.  Quite amazing.  Would have thought there were only two ways of “which way up”; the right way and the wrong way.  Why not just phone Land Rover and ask them, or am I being just too simplistic ?

Regards, and good luck,

Howard

 

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Have you measured the distance between the back and front axle?

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[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Hi Howard,

 

There appears to be no right or wrong way. Ask within a dealership and no one actually knows. But I do go with Dirk's theory that somewhere around 1996 Land Rover flipped them. Everything points to my generation Defender being built with the compressed part of the spring at the bottom whereas the later generation have the compressed part at the top. Maybe owners have been flipping them to give a different ride?

 

Dave

[taun]

Well Dave,

to add to the confusion, All three our defenders (2001 90; 2004 130;
2005 110) have the compressed part at the bottom, but they are all
fitted with Old Man Emu springs. The only thing I can think of is that
your radius arms are too far forward, causing the bulging, but that
would mean the rear bushes on the radius arm are too small, or worn
out, or the bushes up front are oversized?

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[Jaco Prinsloo]

Hi Dave

Giving this a lot off thuoght and reading all the comments I think maybe you must have your springs tested and retentioned. Knowing your vehicle has done high kilos over bad roads it will do no harm to have it done in any way. Van Zyl Springworks in Pretoria used to be very good. Clive Maher used to be the manager. It could be possible that tension was lost enevenly causing the bulging after disturbing them from their orriginal possition. Regarding the 10mm difference I would not know why because bushes can not cause that big difference. If your spring seats are not true it has been like that since new and it will be rectified by wheel alignment. If it was serious you would have picked it up long ago on tyre wear. If I was in your shoes I wiil replace all bushes,have the springs retentioned and try it like that.

 

Jaco Prinsloo  

[Kevin]

Dave I've spoken to my daughter's father-in-law about this. Before I
tell you what he said let me explain about him. Firstly what he has
forgotten about fixing cars I would be pleased to know! His full-time
occupation is preparing race cars and restoring all sorts of cars
especially classics; and he races them too. His workmanship is just
incredible. His speciality if Alfa Romeos but is not confined to them
only. His 2.0 litre Alfa laps Swartkops at equal times with Ben
Morgenrood's 7.0 Mustang!! In fact if Morgenrood is not in front of
him he can lap quicker times.

He says the compressed part of the spring USUALLY goes to the top but
states that it works just as well at the bottom. He went on to say
that the spring bulging is not necessarily of concern and quotes some
Mercedes Benz that do exactly this. He states unless the diameters of
the spring and the seat are incorrect it should not be a problem iN
that it shouldn't pop out.

Hope this helps.

Kevin

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> Hi guys,
>
> I am going to be killed for this but have we got the coil springs the right way up, with the concertinaed part of the coil at the top (refer attached pic). I could swear that when I took them off they were the other way around but maybe it does not matter? Jan the complete axle illustration in the workshop manual actually shows them the other way around with the concertinaed part at the bottom !
>
> Another query I have is that the springs are not straight? The shock absorber is straight but the springs are more forward at the front (you can see it in the pic). Is this right?
>
> Jan, thanks for all your help and Bertus thanks for the loan of the trolley jack!
>
> Dave
>
>  Coil springs.jpg
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[Jan Kock]

Hi Kevin
Thanks- for those dudes who think that Dave didn't ask all LR dealers
he knows, forgettaboutit!
He also checked with UK forums.
Personally, I have had quite a couple of calls from Members, and I
know Dave received more.
Sorry guys, for getting you on your knees like this! Personally, I can
only say I am learning
Best regards
Jan

[Fritz Frauendorf - Business Connexion]

I fitted Iron man coils this past weekend. According to there instructions it is a variable coil and the concertina part needs to be at the top.

Does anyone know how to disable the ride height sensor without going to a person with a computer? Have a bit of a time restraint right now.

Thanks
Fritz

Hope this helps.

Kevin

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[Fritz Frauendorf - Business Connexion]

Does anyone know how to disable a ride height sensor on a Disco 2 1999
model. I fitted an Iron Man coil suspension after experiencing the
umpteenth problem with the air suspension.

Thanks
Fritz

[da...@adva-ad.co.za]

Hi Fritz,

Not sure I understand you when you say the concertina part needs to be at
the top. Does the compressed part where the coils are closer together go at
the top or the bottom?

Regards,
Dave

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[Philip Lochner]

Hi Guys

I'm hoping someone has got some scrap Defender or Rangie parts lying around
- no chance of that hey!

I need the plug thingy (with wires) that goes into the hole shown by the
yellow arrow in the pic titled "fuel pump assy". Whoever ends up helping me
can get the fuel pump in the second pic. This pump is used on 3.5 engined
Defenders and Rangies that have the fuel pump inside the tank. This pump is
brand new.

I converted this assembly with an EFI fuel pump which I will use in my
Jaguar E-type V12 I'm converting to EFI.

TIA
Philip

[Dave Ingram]

Philip
I have a pump I tool ok of my rangie if you want you can have
Regards
Dave Ingram

Rangie Classic 1992 now with 1995 3.9 EFI
Series 3 1979 (needs work or new owner)
Garmap276C, Garmin Summit and Garmin Forerunner 305
LROC 3120
Cell +27 (0) 82 446 1474
email daver...@gmail.com
26° 0.125'S
28° 9.986'E
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Hi Guys

TIA
Philip

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[Philip Lochner]

Thanks Dave!!!! When can I pop around?

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Subject: RE: [LROC Techtorque] Plug for Defender / Rangie in tank fuel pump
assembly needed

Philip
I have a pump I tool ok of my rangie if you want you can have Regards Dave
Ingram

Rangie Classic 1992 now with 1995 3.9 EFI
Series 3 1979 (needs work or new owner)
Garmap276C, Garmin Summit and Garmin Forerunner 305
LROC 3120
Cell +27 (0) 82 446 1474
email daver...@gmail.com
26° 0.125'S
28° 9.986'E
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[Fritz Frauendorf - Business Connexion]

The part that is closer together at the top.

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