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Hugh Paterson III

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Apr 8, 2016, 11:35:34 AM4/8/16
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Greetings, 

I have been lurking on this list for some time (years).

It is finally time for me to ask a question.

Situation:
I work for an institution with active courses/workshops. We are revisiting our metadata schema for archiving and content management due to some insufficiencies in our current set up for describing learning resources. I have followed with some interest the work of LRMI, and now I have the go-ahead to present some of our materials in a mockup so we can throw some business cases at it and see if LRMI is sufficient enough for our purposes (which I think it is).

Some of the more detailed terms and distinctions in LRMI I understand, but I am having trouble with the first one: "Alignment Object". Is this the name of the relationship between the course and the educational framework? 

Let me present what I think I have "nailed down". Many of our courses/workshops are taught at the university level. They also match back to a corporate list of corporate competencies. Each course has a list of learning objectives.

Here is what my hypothesis is for our case:

  • lrmi.AlignementObject.educationalFramework = The title and version of our Master index of courses, with their learning objectives would be our educational framework.
  • lrmi.AlignementObject.targetName = the course.learningObjective name/value in our master index.
Should there be any value for lrmi.AligementObject by itself, independent of the values of things expressed via LRMI properties of AlignmentObject?

Thanks,
All the best,

- Hugh Paterson III

Steve Midgley

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Apr 8, 2016, 12:09:18 PM4/8/16
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Hi Hugh,

I believe that alignmentObject is a container for other values. As expressed in (a version of) JSON-LD, an educationalAlignment (not the only use of alignmentObject maybe), an alignment to CEDS Grade level data standard would look like:

{
"@type": "AlignmentObject",
"alignmentType": "educationLevel",
"educationalFramework": "US K-12 Grade Levels",
"targetName": "8-12"
}


Common core educationalAlignment would look like this:
{
"@type": "AlignmentObject",
"alignmentType": "teaches",
"educationalFramework": "Common Core State Standards for English Language Arts",
"targetName": "CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RH.6-8.1",
"targetUrl": "http://corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/RH/6-8/1"
}

So educationalFramework is pretty loose - strings in both these cases. Your plans for educationalFramework and targetName sound very similar to the above. I would strongly encourage you to try to provide a "targetURL" too, if possible. the CEDS grade level example isn't providing one (but could - CEDS has a URL I think for this), so it's not required. That example is pretty obvious to decipher. targetURL in the common core case is pretty helpful, and might be in your situation too..

Obviously if you're binding schema.org/lrmi to microdata, it will look different.

I hope this input is helpful!
Steve

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Joshua Marks

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Apr 8, 2016, 5:36:20 PM4/8/16
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Hugh,

An alignment is between a creative work and some node of some framework, and it takes a type parameter. e.g. This picture of a fish illustrate fish anatomy. That question assesses understanding of this element of fish anatomy. 

You might find this excellent article by Phil instructive: http://blogs.pjjk.net/phil/explaining-the-lrmi-alignment-object/ 

Best regards,

Joshua

Hugh Paterson III

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Apr 9, 2016, 2:23:01 AM4/9/16
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Joshua, 

Thank you for the link to that blog post. It affirmed what I was understanding. I think things are clear enough for me to explain to others on my team.

@Steve, Yes we plan on publishing our educational framework. I would likely lead that effort as well. The challenge we will be facing is that our organization has no commitment to permanent urls in its web presence. Therefore finding an adequate place to publish the standard where it would have longevity and utility beyond our organization remains an unfulfilled quest. - suggestions welcome.

thank you,
- Hugh Paterson III
  

Steve Midgley

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Apr 9, 2016, 2:35:14 AM4/9/16
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Hey Hugh, 

It happens that I am working with this new operation http://www.credentialtransparencyinitiative.org/ (aka CTI) to try to create a place to store credentials in a way that will ensure that they are available forever ("forever" as defined and implemented by archive.org). 

Beyond that, I'd also suggest looking at Achievement Standards Network, which is run by D2L. Their infrastructure might be an interesting place to host your competencies so that you don't have to.

I'm still a little foggy on distinguishing competencies and credentials (a credential is something that can be "earned" whereas a competency is something that can be "learned"? Brrrr - I'm still finding my way on this).

But I hope that input is helpful. If you're interested, you're welcome to lurk or join in the CTI to see where that goes. Probably a few months before any prototypes..

Best,
Steve

Joshua Marks

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Apr 9, 2016, 12:10:51 PM4/9/16
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Hugh et al,

I will also note that I am co-chairing a task force at IMS Global, along with Joseph from D2L/ASN, to define a serial encoding format and data model for exchanging canonical competency frameworks with consistent GUIDS and reference. If you are members of IMS global, please accept this invitation to participate in the task force and working group. We are also a few month away from a draft spec, so the timing seems good. There is also a higher education CBE- Competency Based Education working group the relates to your work active within IMS global.

-Joshua

Steve Midgley

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Apr 9, 2016, 12:16:21 PM4/9/16
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That's great to hear! If you don't mind keeping this list updated on your progress hopefully I'm not the only one very interested in the results of your work.

Valerie Smothers

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Apr 11, 2016, 7:44:06 AM4/11/16
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Hi, all. MedBiquitous also has an ANSI standard for representing competency frameworks that has adoption in the medical community. See: http://www.medbiq.org/node/819

 

Best,

Valerie

 

 

Valerie Smothers

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Stuart Sutton

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Apr 14, 2016, 10:09:40 AM4/14/16
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Joshua, I have a couple of questions. First, are you meaning "GUIDS" in the rather loose sense used in the IMS definition as used in the Common Cartridge (i.e., including URI) or in the traditional sense as a 128-bit integer number? Second, what exactly is meant by "consistent GUIDS"? Does the latter mean that standard would require use of a single, unique, and canonical identifier coined by the owner of the framework namespace?

Joshua Marks

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Apr 14, 2016, 4:14:09 PM4/14/16
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Stuart,

Perhaps this thread shoudl be cross posted to the IMS TF discussion board?

Stuart wrote: First, are you meaning "GUIDS" in the rather loose sense used in the IMS definition as used in the Common Cartridge (i.e., including URI) or in the traditional sense as a 128-bit integer number?

JM; the former (How IMS defines it) but as we have touched on in the past, perhaps with a real GUID as well.

Stuart wrote: Second, what exactly is meant by "consistent GUIDS"? Does the latter mean that standard would require use of a single, unique, and canonical identifier coined by the owner of the framework namespace? 

yes, for the competency statements at least. But also, referenced by any external framework as well for cross alignments or definition of derivative statements (e.g. those target tags we discussed yesterday).

-Joshua

Stuart Sutton

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Apr 14, 2016, 4:56:24 PM4/14/16
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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Joshua Marks <jma...@curriki.org> wrote:
Stuart,

Perhaps this thread shoudl be cross posted to the IMS TF discussion board?

Is cross-posting to an internal IMS forum technically feasible?
 
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