Help me specify the right loxone dimming system!

[Scotsman1000]

Hi, can anyone help me specify which of the dimming protocols would be best to use with these lights so I can specify their power supply correctly for use with Loxone? I am kind of confused here. The lights come with integrated drivers. This is for a project in the UK.

The spec sheet for the light in question is here:

http://www.luciferlighting.com/LuciferLighting/media/Lucifer-Lighting/Resources/Spec%20Sheets/Fraxion/Int/Lucifer_Lighting_F4RMAS_LEDX_Int_Latest.pdf?ext=.pdf

The possibilities are:

LH1 Lutron Hi-lume 1% EcoSystem with Soft On Fade-to-Black

EA1 eldoSOLO drive 0-10V Analog, Logarithmic

LA1 eldoSOLO drive 0-10V Analog, Linear

ED1 eldoSOLO drive DALI, Logarithmic

LD1 eldoSOLO drive DALI, Linear

EX1 eldo POWERdrive DMX , Logarithmic

Lutron (LH1) dims to 1%.

eldoLED SOLOdrive (EA1 & LA1 0-10V analog and ED1 & LD1 DALI) dims to 1/10th of 1%.

eldoLED POWERdrive DMX (EX1) dims to 0%.

Thanks!

[Martyn]

LA1 looks favroite...

Loxone seem to be ditching DMX and dont do Dali.

[Duncan]

if you are using loxone then lutron drivers are not suitable as there is no direct interface mechanism between the 2 systems

if you use 0-10v drivers, you need enough loxone 0-10v analog outputs for the number of curcuits you want to use - each server or extension generally has 4 0-10v outputs

we perceive brightness in a logarithmic way, so generally the log versions wll give a better dimming curve than linear

EA1 if you have enough 0-10v outputs from loxone

loxone do have a dali extension so ED1 should work with a loxone dali extension (£500 for the extension, max 16 groups and 64 devices)

loxone continue to support dmx, so EX1 eldo powerdrive dmx would work with a loxone dmx extension (£246, max 128 devices)

[Scotsman1000]

Thanks folks. Very interesting. I like the simplicity of the 0-10V solution in terms of wiring, but with around 24 dimming groups needed buying 5 dimming extensions at £408 each seems like a wasteful expense.

Martyn, elaborate on "Loxone seems to be ditching DMX and don't do Dali"?

Thanks!

[Simon Still]

On Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:24:36 UTC, Scotsman1000 wrote:

Thanks folks. Very interesting. I like the simplicity of the 0-10V solution in terms of wiring, but with around 24 dimming groups needed buying 5 dimming extensions at £408 each seems like a wasteful expense.

Actually, you'd need 1 miniserver and 5 'extension' modules at £363 each rather than the Loxone dimmer extensions.  

Is the project for you or for a client?  Having lived with my house for over two years now I've concluded that in many rooms dimming is un-necessary.  Kitchen, Living room and hallways we do use different dim levels and scenes but bedrooms, bathrooms and utility spaces now just have a single scene that's basically full brightness.   Do you really need 24 dimming groups?  

[Skarsol]

On the DMX, they've ditched their DMX products other than the DMX Extension itself as they can't compete with the cheap DMX dimmers from China. They've said they plan to continue to maintain the actual DMX Extension though.

[John Verdicchio]

On Simon's point about dimming - I've have two NJD 12-way dimmers for my 240V lighting so I can dim everything if I want. ( that's 24 channels of dimming for £440 the two boxes + the DMX extension). I actually like having a "dim" mood for the bedroom rather than rely on a side light. Also have "dim" moods for a "late-at-night" setting. Uses the motion-sensor over-ride of the mood setting to give "dim" lights rather than bright for those late trips to the kitchen. So, tell Alexa "good night" and the house plunges into dim setting. The jury's out as to whether "dim" is good for the bathrooms.

[Duncan]

ive also reduced the number of dimmed circuits, party due to the random failures of the chinese 3 channel dmx dimmers.

i originally had every circuit dimmable (a lot of circuits in a complicated lighting scheme), but found that certain downlights were only used either on or off, particularly in the lounge, corridors and bedrooms, so ive reduced the number of dimmers from approx 100 to around 60

each of my rooms has other dimmable and/or coloured lights, so the downlights tend to be only used for 'full light' jobs like cleaning, rather than form part of the normal lighting moods.

[Sushil Singh]

I did a project to bridge loxone and lutron in a bidirectioal way (If you activate the switch manually it will update the state in loxone).

https://github.com/sushilks/lutronjs