LoraWan & Loxone

[Toby Mills]

Starting a discussion on integrating LoraWan devices into loxone.
We have had success with a MileSight UG67 LoraWan gateway which has a built in lora name server.
We were originally going to use The Things Network, but I always get nervous about depending on external cloud services so we set about trying to integrate the UG67 directly into Loxone without any external dependencies.

It works well as the UG67 has the ability to load your own custom python apps.

We have deployed

• a Milesight reed switch as a garage door sensor
• another reed switch sensor as a mailbox sensor which works over 1km away
• a Milesight leak sensor as a swimming pool level sensor

The devices have built in replaceable batteries that last around 5 to 10 years.
They transmit to the gateway which decodes the lorawan packet and re-encodes it into a UDP packet which we then pick up in loxone.

Hit me up if you want any more info.

Gateway is here:
https://www.milesight-iot.com/lorawan/gateway/ug67/

Sensors are here:
https://www.milesight-iot.com/lorawan/sensor/em300-mcs/




Regards
Toby

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[Tomasz Nowak]

Great! What are the prices of your equipment (gateway, sensors)?

Just asking for a comparison, because I made a LoraWAN mailbox sensor by myself using Heltec board and Mikrotik LR8 gateway. Works over TTN flawlessly.

[Toby Mills]

I don't sell anything, more interested in what other people were doing.
I did look at the TTN network but with them deprecating API's and things I wanted something that is going to keep working for 25 years without depending on a cloud service that might go away at any moment. Its especially important if you sell a house and move on.

Toby

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[DanF]

I'm about to buy some heat meters that are available with different options i) pulsed ii) m-bus iii) LoraWAN.

I'm keen to use m-bus as more information is available than a simple pulse (flow temperature, return temperature, etc), but m-bus means I either need to use multiple of these https://www.loxone.com/enen/kb/meter-reader-ir-air/, or use a m-bus level converter and in turn an rs232 extension of a raspberry pi.

The LoraWan alternative looks interesting, but I'm struggling to see the advantage over m-bus if all the meters are within a small area, given LoraWan will also need additional hardware in the form of a gateway of some sort.

Are there any LoraWan gateways available that are well-priced and easy to interface with Loxone?  If there are.. this might tempt me to go down the LoraWan route.

Thanks,

[Tomasz Nowak]

I'm using Mikrotik wAP LR8 kit to push measurements to TTN, Node-RED to pull them from TTN to my local MQTT and then MQTT Gateway to push them to Miniserver.

[Toby Mills]

This is pretty cool, I actually bought an LR8 but I was worried there were too many things to break or go wrong with all of this stuff chained together.
In the end I went with the single box solution of the Milesite so I don't depend on any cloud services. When it receives the Lorawan packet, it just broadcasts it out as a UDP message on the local network so that the miniserver can pick it up directly.

Doesn't need TTN or node or a MQTT gateway that way which are just all things that can break or go away.

Toby

[Tomasz Nowak]

Yep, that one of the ways to go.

I'm using LoraWAN just for a mailbox sensor, so it's nothing critical.

TTN is more then enough for me here and I use MQTT for plenty of other devices such as Zigbee etc, as well so it's not going away :)

[Henrik Håvardsholm]

Hi. Thats really cool. We are looking at Milesight now, and comparing it to Enless. Enless have modbus GW, simple to import via IP to the miniserver. But Milesight have more, so just HOW to integrate it easiest way.
Please tell me more about your setup in detail if you dont mind?

PM?