Re: [LB Residents Forum] Congrats - Association formed
Mahesh Singh
To all my friends who donot come to any of the meetings-
My mail was conciously worded to create vibrations. It has obviously created a vibration. Lets try to get huge attendance in the sunday meeting( 9.30 am) as against the normal 15-23 persons.
At the cost of being repetative, let me state & assure that the proposal is to form only an association, not a RWA.
A structured group formation ( association) will attract many good, capable but passive residents in a active role.
Things will be decided in the meeting.
The idea is to put in place a good foundation for a constructive n democratic society.
Even without association some persons try to project themself as LB sole representative. Let them seek acceptance through association.
Regards,
Vivek SrivastavaOn Jul 29, 2014 1:29 PM, "Nitin Agrawal" <agrawa...@gmail.com> wrote:--Hi All--In the last meeting it was not decided to call for the nomination either. We yet to finalize and agreed upon the basic things.So there is no point of calling the nomination.We need the participation and consensus from majority of the residents. I think we have gone 2-3 steps further.Lets discuss the draft in the meeting and see how we can encourage more people to participate. More the people better it would be.RegardsNitin AgrawalOn Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Varshney Rahul <Rahul.V...@statkraft.com> wrote:
--Sorry Kamal but by name calling you aren’t democratic either. And the discussion in the last meeting was very democratic…..which means the majority. You may have personal likings and disliking’s but in a democratic setup one should learn to sometime give in for a majority. The below mail is reflective of your caliber and wisdom.
Thanks
Rahul
From: lbr_...@googlegroups.com [mailto:lbr_...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kamal Agarwal
Sent: Monday, 28 July 2014 3:11 PM
To: lbr_...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [LB Residents Forum] Congrats - Association formed
This is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier email.
Some people will try to rule us this way by giving the reasons that they have been selected to take decisions.
They would completely ignore the voices of the residents as this email from Rahul suggests. In the grab of voting, he has completely ignored the sentiments of the residents. I can already see some residents behaving like a dictator and issuing fatwas and completely ignoring residents views. The best way to function in a society is by participation of the residents and association does exactly the opposite. Instead of encouraging the residents to take part in activities of society, the association concentrates the power in the hands of few who resists people's participation. So the only thing that I m demanding is that democratic culture should be established in our
systems and processes right from the beginning, so that residents are never ignored and association would only produce some Hitlers. Sorry Rahul but I don't see democratic approach in your email.regards
Kamal Agarwal
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Varshney Rahul <Rahul.V...@statkraft.com> wrote:
To clear the confusion thread……..as I understand is that no one is making an RWA for managing the FM etc. but a collective representative and responsible body.
· We all agree that RWA has its own peril and it will be a necessary evil in future……certainly not in next 2 years
· Facility maintenance is doing a decent job and we would not like to change it for now
· Need for an association is felt so that there is a responsible body and structured approach
· The requirement of association was voted for in the last meeting of residents
· Formal approach against informal association was also voted for in the last meeting
· The association will be a common voice/force of resident with a backing so that larger issues with builder/ FM can be addressed.
· The association will also have responsible for organizing cultural and sports event.
This was the intent proposed and agreed which is like a graduating step/ one step forward from tower representative concept. With such intent the concept is well laid, and I am personally in favour so that atleast who does what is clear and we all can look forward to a structured approach and force.
Vbr
Rahul Varshney
From: lbr_...@googlegroups.com [mailto:lbr_...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Narendra Singh
Sent: Monday, 28 July 2014 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [LB Residents Forum] Congrats - Association formed
I agree on most of the points. Managing such a large society needs full time involvement and tons of experience. I do not know how many of us have handled something of this magnitude with success. Not to forget that this is a residential complex and not an official set-up (9-5 job and that too 5 days a week!), responsibility here is 24*7 and more emotion driven.
I believe FM is doing a good job. Any loopholes can be corrected and it happens this way only. There are many places where things are not happening our/correct way. Solution is not to take charge of everything but to ensure that the responsible person works and justifies his/her responsibilities. Life at LB, as it looks today is quite good. Like Mr. Kamal, I too do not have good experience and opinion of RWAs (Although, I do not deny that good ones exist). I have seen physical fights between the son of a RWA presidential candidate with another presidential candidate of one society!
There should be a need for the change and in my personal opinion, I do not see any as of now.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Kamal Agarwal <ka...@ebizindia.net> wrote:
Dear Residents,
From my interaction with residents, I get a feeling that many residents are under the impression that the formation of RWA or any other association for our society would be the beginning of the end of all our woes and problems. But the actual scenario in other societies give a complete different picture. RWAs have not only aggravated the problems but have created new ones. The few office-bearers in the RWA develop dictatorship tendencies and they along with some of their cronies start taking decisions unilaterally and start working for themselves rather than for the residents. Corruption becomes rampant and become norm of the day. Most of the funds meant for the welfare of the residents go into their own welfare. RWA becomes their personal fiefdom and property. It further give rise to groupism in the society even disturbs the peace and harmony among the residents. A very clear case is a society in front of us. Here police had to be called many times because of physical fights among various group in the society which have formed their own associations. So formation of RWA or any other association would not solve any problems; it would only end up benefiting few residents at the helm of affairs. But RWA is a NECESSARY EVIL and we have to eventually form it whenever the society gets a completion certificate from the authority; but we need to avoid it for as long as possible.
Not coming to the draft presented by Vivek and his team, it seems to be a cut and paste job from some rule book. We were expecting some brainstorming sessions to be held among the selected residents who would come out with some innovative ideas rather than these copied rules. What you have suggested is a recipe for disaster and confusion. As I have told in the last meeting that we needed some very simple rules, particularly for holding our internal meetings. I am completely against formation of any formal or informal association of this nature because of the following reasons:-
1. Only 10% of the residents have taken possession of their flats and it would be gross injustice with other 90% of the residents who could not be part of this process.
2. RWA has to be eventually formed, so where is the need to form this kind of association which has to be eventually dissolved.
3. Since the association would be informal and not registered, no residents would follow any rules and guidelines that may be issued by it.
4. RWA elections have some sanctity since they are conducted by a government body; but in this kind of association office-bearers would be selected on the basis of their loyality to a particular group or individual. Merit would take a back seat and only credential that would matter would be the size of the group.
5. Residents from phase 2 would be part of the society 2-3 months. So why not decide something taking their opinion into consideration. Why are some residents in such a hurry?
The best thing that we can do for the society is not to interfere in the day-today activities of the society. In any case, our interference may not have solved any of the problems as 3c is doing things as per their own speed and convenience and we have minimum say in that. The only time when we residents have taken some decisions and implement them are when we have organized some events for the society like Diwali, Holi, Janmashtami, 15th August, Lohri, New Year etc. So I would suggest that we form an organizing committee with 8-10 residents based upon their core competency. Mr. Gaurav Gupta, Mr. Sukhdev Sandhu, Pankaj Bansal have previously organized some events, so they should be part of the organizing committee. Mohit Arora has always done the printing and publishing job for the events. Vishal Ghei was an integral part of the Diwali Event. Ashish is good with the kids. In the Diwali event kids stalls was the most popular place. I have done F n B section in various events. Rakesh Khanna and Brij Kishore can always chip in with some very good advises. Paras has been arraning Tents and DJ for the events. Neeraj Kaushik and Gaurav Singh Chandel are always eager to help in any events. Some ladies have also been active. I hope I m not missing any important name.
There would be no need for any chairman or president in this committee; depending on the interest and availability of a resident, he or she should be made in-charge any particular event. An organizing committee of these residents should be formed and once this committee starts functioning properly, we should think of forming other committees based on the experience and success of this committee. We should take one step at a time, achieve some results and then proceed further.Regards
Kamal Agarwal
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:54 PM, VIVEK SRIVASTAVA <vivek...@gmail.com> wrote:
:) Thanks for opening the mail. Subject line is a misnomer. Association is not formed, but it is in the process of being formed.
Crucial Meeting - 3rd August ( Sunday) at 9.30 am............ with tea
at club cafeteria.
Agenda -
1) Finalization of the structure of the association and 2) Independence celebration.
Meanwhile you all can give your name or give nomination of other person for being part of various committees of the association like managing committee(7 person), Cultural committee( 7 person), Sports committee(7 person), Senior citizen committee( 7 person) and legal committee(7 person).
give names directly to me at vivek...@gmail.com
Ladies should come in strong numbers and be part of the various committees
Please read the enclosed draft Memorandum of Association ( 12 pages), if short of time you can read 'Summary' file ( 2 page)
See you all on next Sunday.
Vivek
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:05 PM, VIVEK SRIVASTAVA <vivek...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear friends,
We must thank, 22 of our residents who have attended the Sunday meeting. They were Anil Arya, Vishal Ghai, Paras Jain, Sachin Jain, Deepak Gupta, Rahul Varshney, Vishal Handa, Nitin Agarwal, Kamal Agarwal, Pankaj Bansal, Ashish Hari, Avinash Chand, Ankur Chaplot, Gaurav Singh Chandel, Bharat Bhusan, Praveen Jain, Sukhdev Singh, Gaurav Gupta, Kapil Verma, Brij Sharma, Abhishek Sisodia and Vivek Srivastava.
Every one agreed that we should now organize LB residents into a formal association, where in there should be proper rules, core committee, method of taking decisions, jurisdiction for taking decision by the office bearer /committee/ general body etc.
It was agreed that association framework should be forward looking and accommodating enough for future residents to become an active participant.
However there was disagreement on the question of whether to register the association? After a voting by show of hands, decision was taken " Don not register the association now". Voting was '10' for registration and '12' against registration.
Task for framing the draft rules and regulations of the unregistered association of residents at LB was given to Sachin Jain, Avinash Chand, Gaurav Gupta and Vivek Srivastava. Draft will be circulated to residents who want to attend the next meeting scheduled on 28th July (Sunday). Once this draft is approved in the meeting, it will circulated on LB forum for larger discussion and input.
( Mr. Gurbux Singh, Neeraj Kaushik and Mohit Arora could not attend but had communicated their consent for association formation).
Regards
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Mohit Arora <moar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings of the day.
Since I won't be there for the meeting, here are few of my view points. I know each one of us has been dreading forming an RWA, but I believe time is ripe for the same now :). Here is what I think:
- As I mentioned, a formal association is the need of the hour. And yes, by that I mean formation of RWA. At this stage I don't know about the technicalities involved if at all RWA can be formed or not. But with Phase-1 people already living in the society and Phase-2 residents about to join in over next 6 months, its imperative to form one.
- We have seen various initiatives being taken in past, united and fragmented both. But the fact remains that for introducing a new process or introducing a new facility, as trivial as it may be, we have to follow up hard with 3C and FM both. And reasons for the same, IMHO, have largely because there have been multiple voices and no one association/group to take things forward.
- With a total of about 400 families (close to 1000 people) set to become a part of the LB Campus over next few months, bringing people together on any issue by voluntary/informal groups/associations is going to be even more challenging, not just for residents but for 3C/FM team as well.
- I agree that there is a tendency of things getting politically motivated when RWAs are formed, but the intent for forming an RWA here is more like to form a watchdog over 3C/FM rather than taking over any responsibilities.
- On the other hand, if its not possible to form an RWA for technical/legal reasons, I will vouch for formation of a similar association/group which can act as a bridge between the residents and 3C/FM team. There will always be a challenge where some individuals will take forward their own agendas with 3C/FM which is fair, since the organisation is not formal. Efforts should be made by talking to such individuals and either get them on-board or back them up for their cause.
And finally I hope and urge all the participants to come out of this meeting with some conclusive action items instead of just ideas :). And may I request that someone please take down important notes from the meeting and circulate in the group.
Thanks,
Mohit Arora
T6/202
On 8 July 2014 00:10, VIVEK SRIVASTAVA <vivek...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear friends,
Let us all come together to a start a long due initiative to make this housing our home.
Many of us have felt the need for a formal residents association to bring the element of humane & personal touch to the otherwise good facility management by 3C.
We need to have a representative association to discuss issues and developments with FM / FRA / 3C.
Let us meet and discuss over morning tea about the methods and process around creation of association.
Please come prepared with your view on the followings
1. What would be the activities of the association?
2. How would it be managed ?
3. How would the core committee be formed?
4. What would be tenure of the committee?
Time : 9.00 am on 13th July, Sunday
Venue : Cafeteria
Cheers
Vivek
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