What's your favorite element?
Jeff Larson
which element of the periodic table they find most fascinating. For
me it's Cesium, hands down. Liquid metal at room temperature, more
isotopes than any other element, explodes in cold water.
Coolest. Element. Ever.
Looking forward to the responses!
Jeff
Daryl Shawn
an interesting topic, though I'm right stupid when it comes to chemistry
(or math...dunno how I ended up doing computer stuff for a living).
You make a great case for Cesium, though I find Carbon to be very
charming. It's in the stars, it's in diamonds, it's in us and every
other living thing. I like that.
crap, Per and Andy won't be at Y2k7? This is the first one I'm going to
be at since the first one, darnit! Isn't attendance mandatory?
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Per Boysen
asked my what my favorite key was. I couldn't answer. Anyway, Fabio's
fav key is Bb and today I learned something more about Bb. During a
walk today in the deep forrest around here I was as usual screening
out every natural sound by listening to radio documentaries on my
iPod. Today I did five scientific programs (3 hours walk) and one was
about some new findings by South Korean scientists regarding the note
Bb, second lower octave, 250 Hz. These guys wanted to measure any
eventual effect music and sound has on rise plants. First the played
a shitload of Mozart but did not notice any change in the genes of
the rise plants. Then they moved on to pure notes, sinus tones, and
found that particularly this Bb note had two genes change significantly.
Hope this was off topic enough. I'll see if I manage to read up on
the periodic system so I can qualify for some more chatting here.
Greetings from Sweden
Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
Per Boysen
> crap, Per and Andy won't be at Y2k7? This is the first one I'm
> going to
> be at since the first one, darnit! Isn't attendance mandatory?
com n git me bastid!!! ;-/
p ;-)
Rev Fever
On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote:
> You make a great case for Cesium, though I find Carbon to be very
> charming. It's in the stars, it's in diamonds, it's in us and every
> other living thing. I like that.
I have a good friend in Seattle (Frank Alien) who likes to refer to
people as "carbon units".
I think he got that term from the first 'Star Trek' movie? (OR...?)
:-)
Rev.Fever
Warren Sirota
> crap, Per and Andy won't be at Y2k7? This is the first one I'm going to
> be at since the first one, darnit! Isn't attendance mandatory?
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>
Tsk, tsk. Mustn't go *on* topic here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Warren
Daryl Shawn
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Daryl Shawn
"Stay", though "Pan's Labyrinth" was the best of the sweep of the
Mexican directors last year...I don't read these days (feels like a
guilty pleasure when there's music to be made)...it's mid-afternoon
here, just had two mangos and some fresh mandarin juice from the trees
in front of our house...we get lots of hummingbirds at the beginning of
the rainy season...listening to Egberto Gismondi...Per, if I show up at
your door I insist that you play me Nordic folktunes on an alpenhorn...
Per Boysen
English word should be "pure tone". He, he "nose flule".... RFLMAO!!
That was a good one!
p
Per Boysen
> Per, if I show up at
> your door I insist that you play me Nordic folktunes on an
> alpenhorn...
Agreed! But then you will have to STAY FOR SAUNA! (now that's a hot
element)
Rev Fever
> Agreed! But then you will have to STAY FOR SAUNA! (now that's a hot
> element)
Speaking of saunas, I want to build a very small, inexpensive one in
my backyard.
Nothing fancy...just functional. I do not give a rat's rear end what
it looks like. That is of no importance to me, personally.
I already found a nice old small wood burning stove at an estate sake
for CHEAP so I am covered on a heat source to heat up the rocks.
I had previously thought about a sweat lodge, but I would prefer
something I could build that stands up off the ground, since I am in
Oregon,
where the ground is wet far more often than it is dry.
Any suggestions, or even better, any URLs I could visit for basic
design ideas and inspirations?
TIA!
Rev. Fever
Warren Sirota
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loopers-deli...@googlegroups.com [mailto:loopers-delight-
> off-...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Per Boysen
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:51 PM
> To: loopers-deli...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Best Note is Bb - and Fabio knew it!!!
>
>
> Oops... Sorry, that was Swedish (or German, or Dutch). The correct
> English word should be "pure tone". He, he "nose flule".... RFLMAO!!
> That was a good one!
That was funny, even before I got the nose flute part.
Here it would actually be "sine wave".
Warren Sirota
the pleasure of spending some time with him at his studio in Rio (I was very
lucky in several ways that year. Mutual friend, in this case). Him handing
me this weirdly-tuned incredible 10-string guitar that Ralph Towner gave
him, after playing it like an angel. Me staring at it, thinking, "uh... is
there any way for me not to make an utter fool of myself right now? Ummm....
no." (I was *so* right).
My favorite Gismonti record (that I've heard) by far: Sol Do Meio Dia. With
Towner, Collin Walcott, Jan Garbarek, Nana Vasconcelos. Wow! And the Assad
bros. have some great versions of his stuff on their American debut. Andy
Narell's done some good covers, too.
Warren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loopers-deli...@googlegroups.com [mailto:loopers-delight-
> off-...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Shawn
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:50 PM
> To: loopers-deli...@googlegroups.com
Daryl Shawn
that stuff. I've heard "Kalimba" from Sol Do Meio Dia, on an ECM
collection a friend gave to me. Beautiful work.
(and name-dropping is fully permitted here, I believe...)
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Warren Sirota
Gismonti themes from Kalimba at Y2K4!
Per Boysen
> Any suggestions, or even better, any URLs I could visit for basic
> design ideas and inspirations?
No URL to share, but maybe some ideas. Although this experiment did
not work out very well, but it could have done so. Which is the
point. One day we set up a "sauna for a day" by throwing old carpets
over a skeleton of long stakes, for a tent-like construction. Inside
the tent we dug a hole in the ground. Outside the tent we lit a fire
and put huge stones in it. When the stones were heated up we used
some poles to role them inside the tent and into the hole in the
middle. Then everyone got inside and someone put a clothing for the
door opening. We had some buckets of water prepared and the idea was
to throw water on the hot stones to produce a lovely hot steam. It
was totally dark in there and someone happened to empty all the water
cans at once over the hot stone hole. Screaming in pain we all ran
out of the sauna. Well that was all, please don't try this at home.
per
Rev Fever
The part about "throwing old carpets over a skeleton of long stakes,
for a tent-like construction"
sounds like ya made a variation of a tee pee, in a way. It also
somewhat resembles the basic idea
of one of the designs of the traditional Indian (USA) sweat lodge,
with that hole in the middle of the inside.
Well, in a way, it does.
-Rev. Fever
Jeff Larson
GODDAMNIT! We're talking about elements here, not saunas!
There are plenty of other groups for talking about saunas,
liver pate, and nose flutes. If you want to talk about
those things in the elements thread please have the courtesy
to preface your comments with SAU, LP, and NF respectively.
Thank you for your attention.
Jeff
Daryl Shawn
;-)
David Auker
Is time an element?
David (1.5 hours today picking blackberries, blueberries)
Dr. XparaMental
Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
> be at since the first one, darnit! Isn't attendance mandatory?
Hey Daryl,
which Andy? Andy Butler of y2k6kyberjam fame or Andrew Ostler of
Virtual Baggy Pants fame? ;)
I just heard from Rick a few days ago that both you and Jim Goodin
will attend y2k7loopfest. Pity, this year there won't even be a
kyberjam at the festival :(...unless you are in Santa Cruz already on
Thursday and Friday and want to be the local host/tech guy for the
event?
Best,
Rainer
Daryl Shawn
was either? I'm just hoping to meet everyone...!!!).
That's a shame about the Kyberfest, I was hoping it was going to happen.
Regretfully, I don't think I can singlehandedly do the tech duties
though, Jim and I have a show Friday and looks like probably Thursday
too. I'd be happy to help out however I can in some way, though.
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Bernhard
Are these mp3 emissions in English? Could you post the urls?
I have found a rich source of amazing podcasts about music here:
http://redbullmusicacademy.com/
They're mainly interviews with accomplished music luminaries, like:
Clare Fisher (he did the strings arrangements for Prince's releases,
e.g. LoveSexy)
Eumir Deodato (Arrangements for many famous Brazilian composers)
Hank Shocklee (Producer of Public Enemy)
?uestlove (Hip Hop Producer and drummer)
Jimmy Douglas (one of my favourite podcasts)
etc.
In addition, they have transcribed all the interviews, so if you
didn't
get somebody's name or that odd record title, you can look it up in
there.
To check who's on the roster:
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/PODCASTS.132.0.html?act_ch=1
Enjoy!
Bernhard
On Aug 30, 8:30 pm, Per Boysen <perboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> During a
> walk today in the deep forrest around here I was as usual screening
> out every natural sound by listening to radio documentaries on my
> iPod. Today I did five scientific programs (3 hours walk) and one was
> about some new findings by South Korean scientists regarding the note
ings from Sweden
Per Boysen
> Hi Per
>
> Are these mp3 emissions in English? Could you post the urls?
>
> I have found a rich source of amazing podcasts about music here:
> http://redbullmusicacademy.com/
These are just streaming flash players in the web design.
> To check who's on the roster:
> http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/PODCASTS.132.0.html?act_ch=1
These are AAC files. Which comes with file extension "m4a". The
streaming player on the web page doesn't work on this Mac I'm using
for Internet. But you can always download the file. If you don't have
a player that handles m4a you can do a google search for one. I use
iTunes for that format, both on Mac an Windows.
> Enjoy!
> Bernhard
Thank you for posting this tip. It's a fantastic resource! I'm abut
to spend some educational time reading and listening to all of it
now :-)
Per Boysen
> Are these mp3 emissions in English? Could you post the urls?
Woops.... sorry, I read too fast and thought you were asking "if they
are in mp3"? LOL... Yes, I just took a quick listen to the "Lecture
Session with Stephen Mallinder" and it's indeed in English. And it
seems to be good interviews, as from a musician's perspective. I
found that you don't have to download the files. Just click them and
the talk will stream through the web browser. At the moment I'm
having (Apple) Safari beta here and it is configured to play m4a with
the Quicktime plug-in. I noticed that Quicktime on Mac now supports
the Enhanced Podcast Format which is nice because you get new
pictures all the time during the lecture and interview. Very nice!
Thanks again for the link, Bernhard! Now I need to run over to make a
big bowl of latte for this.
Bernhard Wagner
No, I meant the scientific emissions you were talking about (not the
red bull thing).
About the red bull thing:
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/PODCASTS.132.0.html?act_ch=1
You can simply download the interviews as mp3!
Thanks
B.
Per Boysen
>
> No, I meant the scientific emissions you were talking about (not the
> red bull thing).
Oh, I see. No, unfortunately in Swedish. From public service
"rundfunk" over here.
> About the red bull thing:
> http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/PODCASTS.132.0.html?act_ch=1
> You can simply download the interviews as mp3!
Yep. Listening now to the interview with Stephen Mallinder, which is
great really! I became a fan right away when I discovered the first
releases by Cabaret Voltaire in 1980 (their first release was in -78)
and I had a constant head-ace trying to get a recorded drum sound
similar to what they achieved on those early records. I thought they
were working with distance microphones and gated signals but only
many years later I learned that they were actually using samplers.
The sampler was a brand new instrument category then and they must
have bought one right off the shelf. It's nice to hear a person
telling his close view of things in the past, things that you
yourself did experience at that time by distant echoing in the culture.
Per
Daryl Shawn
If I had a grand lying around, and wanted to make an investment in my
niece's future, (and didn't find it personally amoral to leave an
instrument unplayed) I'd buy one of these new butt-ugly reverse flying-V
Gibsons.
They're only making 400 of 'em, and they're so horrid that I really
can't see them deciding to put it into regular production. So I figure,
if you buy one, leave it in the case with tags and never touch it, in 20
years even it'll probably be worth five times the original value. Being
a Gibson guarantees it'll hold some value, and being a short run of a
unique shape would kinda ensure there'd be collector worth. Don't you think?
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Per Boysen
> If I had a grand lying around, and wanted to make an investment in my
> niece's future, (and didn't find it personally amoral to leave an
> instrument unplayed) I'd buy one of these new butt-ugly reverse
> flying-V
> Gibsons.
>
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Reverse-Flying-V-
> Electric-Guitar-with-New-Radical-Body-Shape?sku=514560
>
> They're only making 400 of 'em, and they're so horrid that I really
> can't see them deciding to put it into regular production. So I
> figure,
> if you buy one, leave it in the case with tags and never touch it,
> in 20
> years even it'll probably be worth five times the original value.
> Being
> a Gibson guarantees it'll hold some value, and being a short run of a
> unique shape would kinda ensure there'd be collector worth. Don't
> you think?
How do they sound? I have always liked the sound of a traditional
flying V. Initially not knowing what model it was, just remembering
the tone as "cool", but as time passed along I got the pieces
together. The reversed model is definitely ugly, but what does it
sound like? I would guess it feels good to play standing, given the
strap points.
Daryl Shawn
sound, it looks to have the same body mass so maybe it would be almost
identical. There isn't as much control, though, this just has a single
volume control.
The strap points are at such dramatically different points that I wonder
if it would be unbalanced...
I really can't speak much for Gibson sound, though, I've never found a
solidbody Gibson I can play happily. I once wrote in a blog, "I hate
Gibson Les Pauls - the neck too flat, scale too short, frets too wide,
sound too muscular and brutish, strings too high between the pickups and
too low over them, bridge liable to slice your hand, and the whole thing
too heavy." Obviously there is a whole range of Gibsons, many of them
without the LP "problems", but I've never liked any of them. The Strat
always seemed completely natural to me, I'm only playing nylon-string
these days but I love my '91 Ultra.
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Per Boysen
> The strap points are at such dramatically different points that I
> wonder
> if it would be unbalanced...
I think this model is much better balanced than most guitars,
especially the original V model ;-)
> I really can't speak much for Gibson sound, though, I've never found a
> solidbody Gibson I can play happily. I once wrote in a blog, "I hate
> Gibson Les Pauls - the neck too flat, scale too short, frets too wide,
> sound too muscular and brutish, strings too high between the
> pickups and
> too low over them, bridge liable to slice your hand, and the whole
> thing
> too heavy." Obviously there is a whole range of Gibsons, many of them
> without the LP "problems", but I've never liked any of them. The Strat
> always seemed completely natural to me, I'm only playing nylon-string
> these days but I love my '91 Ultra
Yes, I too swear by the strats. But I wasn't all happy the day I
found out that the strat is the guitar that has the sound I had been
hearing inside my head and tried to reach - mainly because I think it
is ugly and hard to play. But the sound, the sound!!! I have not
tried playing a Flying V but from listening to others playing them I
have come to appreciate that sound. Gibson might be good for "live
shredders" but since I have always been playing the guitar in groups
and as a studio musician I have found that the strat will always open
up options for me to add something to the music. With a Gibson (or
other fat humbucker axes) it feels like you are about to destroy the
music with anything you play.
Daryl Shawn
Maybe you're right about the balance...I'd love to try playing one
(maybe just for a photo op). It reminds me of Steve Vai's awful
heart-shaped guitar, with the very defined point at one end.
The Gibson/Fender thing is funny, kinda like the Ford/Chevy pickup thing
in the USA heartland, for goodness knows what reason most people
gravitate strongly to one or the other, and then usually the practical
reasons to support that feeling will become apparent. Interesting that
you find the Strat ugly and hard to play, even while that's what you use..!
(my pickup is a Toyota, BTW...).
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Per Boysen
> Interesting that
> you find the Strat ugly and hard to play, even while that's what
> you use..!
I can't see why that would be interesting? What else would be
important in a musical instrument except for the sound it makes? I
"had" that sound before I even started playing, so there weren't
really any other choice than finding the guitar that could physically
give voice to it. This is also the reason why I tend to learn new
instruments all the time. It's not a random activity to fight
boredom, it's a quest to explore this particular sound on many levels.
Daryl Shawn
tend to gravitate to a certain kind of instrument, and come to love all
the various things that make up its character (kinda like any
relationship). I wholly dig my Strat, top to bottom, and respond to its
look as part of the whole character. I'm not particularly vain, but it'd
be hard for me to play something I found ugly (or perhaps, I'd grow to
love the look of anything I grew to really enjoy playing).
For myself, anyway, the feel of the instrument in my hands came long
before I was really that aware of the niceties of sounds, especially
since I couldn't afford good amps for a long time. I didn't have your
experience of hearing a sound before I began to play, it was more a
matter perhaps of the instrument defining my voice. It's interesting
that you see your sound as evident in different instruments...I won't
let you deny that this is interesting...!
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Per Boysen
> It's interesting
> that you see your sound as evident in different instruments...I won't
> let you deny that this is interesting...!
Yes, I think that's extremely interesting! My guess is that "sound"
in music, as we know it, is not all a physical phenomenon. Maybe
partly subjective, partly due to common "archetypes"? I have "heard"
sounds in dreams that took me years of hard work to get close to in
the real world. But when I finally nailed it there was no question
that this was that particular sound I first heard in the dream. But
since you can't record dream sounds on a Zoom H4 you will never know
what was first - the sound or the idea of the sound? It's like a case
of déjà vu, a loop. Hopefully a Mobius loop, then - so you will at
least be able to make each round at a different level ;-)
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Per Boysen
> HEY NO ONE GAVE ME ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR ACOUSTIC GUITAR FEEDBACK
> PROBLEMS.....
Use a solid body? Or make the acoustic more "solid body-ish" by
stuffing it with t-shirts. Eh... what mic did you say it has? Some
kind of filter in the signal chain may help, if you can identify the
frequency band that causes the most feedback and turn it down be EQ.
per
Nemo...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/7/07 5:45:56 PM, perb...@gmail.com writes:
by
stuffing it with t-shirts
would LD tea shirts work?
Daryl Shawn
surprise, then progressively they become more and more familiar, then
one starts to notice new things in what seemed to be altogether routine.
Though I'm not a Steve Vai fan, I actually had a dream once just like
one that he said he had. In both of our dreams, we were holding guitars
in front of us and blowing through them from the back, moving the whammy
bar around and finding this endless sustain, like perfect feedback. In
my version, the sound was like this golden woody tone, very pure but
also muscular, like an sustained acoustic string tone. Wish I could
create that! I did always want to play a hurdy-gurdy, which might be the
closest thing...
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
David Beardsley
I think this is what I like about loops...the first one is the sound of
surprise, then progressively they become more and more familiar, then
one starts to notice new things in what seemed to be altogether routine.
Though I'm not a Steve Vai fan, I actually had a dream once just like
one that he said he had. In both of our dreams, we were holding guitars
in front of us and blowing through them from the back, moving the whammy
bar around and finding this endless sustain, like perfect feedback. In
my version, the sound was like this golden woody tone, very pure but
also muscular, like an sustained acoustic string tone. Wish I could
create that! I did always want to play a hurdy-gurdy, which might be the
closest thing...
--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com
Daryl Shawn
gibson...I try so hard.
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>
> I think this is what I like about loops...the first one is the
> sound of
> surprise, then progressively they become more and more familiar, then
> one starts to notice new things in what seemed to be altogether
> routine.
>
>
David Auker
frets (trying to!)... So, what do you guys do about the cord getting
all twisted? I used to observe the same thing in the old days of corded
telephone: a tendency to give it a twist everytime it gets used, that
subtle picking up, using, returning to cradle and not realizing you
twisted it until many uses later it's all twist-knotted!
.
Also, any tips on exploration of the frets? I saw a video yesterday
about "sweep picking." Wow...I like it! Right now I'm primarily
practicing scales in 5 places (CAGED shapes) (after I practice piano!)...
David
Per Boysen
> So, what do you guys do about the cord getting
> all twisted?
After hitting a note and dancing 360 degrees around, try hitting the
next note while dancing 360 degrees in the opposite direction. Left -
right - left - right... etc. Practice until you master both direction
equally. It's called "Alternate Picking".
P ;-)
Claude Voit
David Auker
David
David Auker
I find the numbering of the strings "interesting," as my instinct would
have it in reverse, string 6 would be string 1...like a chord has
members 1, 3, 5; C, E, G...bottom to top. I come from a piano background.
David (cords and chords)
Claude Voit wrote:
> 1-knowing that you get the whole set of notes on each string
> play a note (ex:G) on string 6 then on 5 then on 4 up to string 1 and
> back to string 6
> take another note and doit again
> metronome is important and the tempo must be slow at the beginning
>
> after some weeks of that
>
> 2-play any scale note names up and down _and _changing strings at each
> note
>
> 3-chose a random nb between 1 and 12 name all notes at this special
> fret without the guitar in front of you
>
> should help you
>
> Claude
>
> do this regularely for several month even when you know it
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2007/12/6, David Auker <dav...@hevanet.com <mailto:dav...@hevanet.com>>:
Bernhard Wagner
>
> 2-play any scale note names up and down _and _changing strings at each note
>
I'm not sure I understand this correctly:
I choose a scale, e.g.: G# mixolydian
I choose a note, e.g. 4th: C#
I play C# on as many places on the fretboard as possible
When I'm done I choose a different note from the scale
Thanks
Bernhard
PS: http://www.claudevoit.ch/missing_fret_en.htm might help, too.
Jon Southwood
Play the scale, one note per string, going up and down the scale. So, trivially, Gmajor: G (6th string, 3rd fret)-A (5th string, open)-B (4th string, 9th fret)-C (3rd string, 5th fret)-D (2nd string, 3rd fret)-E (1st string, open)-F# (2nd string, 7th fret)-G (3rd string, 12th fret). Or maybe some other combination of string sets (maybe just two strings, or three strings). The result might be a rather angular version of the scale (the maj9 jump between the A and B in my reading), but it certainly makes you think about the notes more than the fingerings.
Cheers,
Jon
Claude Voit
only the note names serie is respected the pitches jump around when needed
B 2 fret 0
C 1 fret 8
D 2 fret 3
E 3 fret 9
F 4 fret 3
G 5 fret 10
A 6 fret 5
etc
David Auker
2nd inv. I discovered going from I to IV and V, it's close-by to grab
the IV and V "two inversions different." (Gee, I guess this is it on
piano, too! :-) ) So root I to second inv IV, always some part going
up the neck.
Pretty basic, but advancing for me!
David
Michael Peters
-Michael
David Auker
the bottom of his pages, too!)
There is so much online..
Olav Torvund has helpful stuff (I have these charts on my wall right now!):
http://www.torvund.net/guitar/index.php?page=Fr_triads