more on Segundo and 'faith and ideology , (Doran and Lonergan too ...)

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Hugh Williams

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Apr 29, 2026, 11:34:59 AMApr 29
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Dear Listers,

here is a link for those interested to another academia discussion - 
https://www.academia.edu/s/9529f80e92?source=link

that continues on in the general area in Christian-Marxist dialogue with
the meme of 'changing my religion',

which is an inquiry now pausing to reflect on aspects of Juan Segundo's
important work in "Liberation of Theology" (Orbis, 1976).

There is a link with Lonergan through the work of Robert Doran, who
spends considerable time engaged with Marxism and Segundo's "Liberation
of Theology" in his

own text - "Theology and the Dialectic of History".

Needless to say I have many questions about Doran's treatment, and his
advance of what he calls

a 'third way' approach following Lonergan.

This also is an unfortunate tact in certain sections of the otherwise
very important Raymaker's and Whalon's AIRR (2023) text,

which at the outset through Cyril Orji's forward advances Lonergan's
unfortunate statement,

despite or apart from his important and valuable technical economic
insights, that 'socialism is no solution'.

 Lonergan of course says this for various reasons having mostly to do
with his own specific period and circumstances.

Nevertheless, this is not quite a 'third way' rather, after reading
Segundo, I see it as implicitly and even explicitly taking sides

in what is an ongoing and mounting political and economic ideological
struggle. ...

a struggle about which Segundo is especially insightful having direct
personal experience in this inescapable area that he calls 'faith and
ideology' ...

... for ideology can creep in unawares even deceiving one in ways one is
barely conscious of ...

Hugh

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