Member owned social network anyone?

[peterproudhon]

With Facebook supposedly reaching a $50bn valuation this week my
resentment at people profiting from friendship has piqued and I feel
like doing something about it.

Anyone interested in setting up a member owned social network?

We could incorporate a co-operative as an Industrial and provident
society; get the www.socialnetwork.coop domain name; and create a
simple version of Facebook from open source software based on a
subscription model.

It'll be sh*t to start off with because we'll have no resources but as
more people join it can only get better and all along we can bask in
the knowledge that no one is profiting from our friendships.

[Sam Cook]

isn't this what diaspora is trying to do? https://joindiaspora.com/

That being said yes I agree that an alternative to fb would be lovely

S

[Michael Shiloh]

also identi.ca, although it's more an alternative to twitter.

perhaps we should step back and ask ourselves, what exactly are the
features of facebook for which we wish we had an alternative? then we
can see whether an alternative exists already or needs to be created.

i don't use facebook much, so i'm not a good person to answer this question.

On 01/06/2011 09:14 AM, Sam Cook wrote:
> isn't this what diaspora is trying to do? https://joindiaspora.com/
>
> That being said yes I agree that an alternative to fb would be lovely
>
> S
>
> On 6 January 2011 16:35, peterproudhon <cebp...@gmail.com

> <mailto:cebp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> With Facebook supposedly reaching a $50bn valuation this week my
> resentment at people profiting from friendship has piqued and I feel
> like doing something about it.
>
> Anyone interested in setting up a member owned social network?
>
> We could incorporate a co-operative as an Industrial and provident
> society; get the www.socialnetwork.coop

> <http://www.socialnetwork.coop> domain name; and create a

> simple version of Facebook from open source software based on a
> subscription model.
>
> It'll be sh*t to start off with because we'll have no resources but as
> more people join it can only get better and all along we can bask in
> the knowledge that no one is profiting from our friendships.
>
>

--
Michael Shiloh
KA6RCQ
www.teachmetomake.com
teachmetomake.wordpress.com

[Charles Yarnold]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sue Spence]

Harsh, but fair.

On Jan 6, 6:02 pm, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>

> On 6 January 2011 16:35, peterproudhon <cebpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > With Facebook supposedly reaching a $50bn valuation this week my
> > resentment at people profiting from friendship has piqued and I feel
> > like doing something about it.
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> > Anyone interested in setting up a member owned social network?
>
> > We could incorporate a co-operative as an Industrial and provident

> > society; get thewww.socialnetwork.coopdomain name; and create a

[scary boots]

I want an alternative to being able to invite all my friends to parties, particularly the ones who are scared of technology; to stalking my current object of interest; to sharing photos (would be great if I could select which ones could be seen by whom)

 

I do not want an alternative to an awful chat client or to be tracked down by old school 'friends'. i do not want to use my 'real' name. i do not want to be data mined or prosecuted.

[Ben Evans]

I'm actively trying to get off FB this year.

I've already started moving and deleting my photos.

Diaspora is interesting, but my understanding is that it currently badly needs a security audit and some proper pen testing.

In terms of actual features, I think the most critical one to do is events. They are currently the only thing I haven't been able to find elsewhere, and are what I think is the most critical to get moved off.

Ben

[Michael Shiloh]

out of curiosity, for the features you want to keep (other than events),
what alternatives are you using (e.g. for photos)?

On 01/06/2011 10:35 AM, Ben Evans wrote:
> I'm actively trying to get off FB this year.
>
> I've already started moving and deleting my photos.
>
> Diaspora is interesting, but my understanding is that it currently badly
> needs a security audit and some proper pen testing.
>
> In terms of actual features, I think the most critical one to do is
> events. They are currently the only thing I haven't been able to find
> elsewhere, and are what I think is the most critical to get moved off.
>
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Michael Shiloh

> <michaels...@gmail.com <mailto:michaels...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> also identi.ca <http://identi.ca>, although it's more an alternative

> to twitter.
>
> perhaps we should step back and ask ourselves, what exactly are the
> features of facebook for which we wish we had an alternative? then
> we can see whether an alternative exists already or needs to be created.
>
> i don't use facebook much, so i'm not a good person to answer this
> question.
>
>
> On 01/06/2011 09:14 AM, Sam Cook wrote:
>
> isn't this what diaspora is trying to do? https://joindiaspora.com/
>
> That being said yes I agree that an alternative to fb would be
> lovely
>
> S
>
> On 6 January 2011 16:35, peterproudhon <cebp...@gmail.com
> <mailto:cebp...@gmail.com>

> <mailto:cebp...@gmail.com <mailto:cebp...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> With Facebook supposedly reaching a $50bn valuation this week my
> resentment at people profiting from friendship has piqued
> and I feel
> like doing something about it.
>
> Anyone interested in setting up a member owned social network?
>
> We could incorporate a co-operative as an Industrial and
> provident
> society; get the www.socialnetwork.coop
> <http://www.socialnetwork.coop>
> <http://www.socialnetwork.coop> domain name; and create a
>
> simple version of Facebook from open source software based on a
> subscription model.
>
> It'll be sh*t to start off with because we'll have no
> resources but as
> more people join it can only get better and all along we can
> bask in
> the knowledge that no one is profiting from our friendships.
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Shiloh
> KA6RCQ

> www.teachmetomake.com <http://www.teachmetomake.com>
> teachmetomake.wordpress.com <http://teachmetomake.wordpress.com>

[3D Hendo]

I agree about the events , and I think a lot of people want out of Facebook - when it replaced MySpace is was functional, clean, uncluttered and did a couple of core things very well. Now it's a behemoth of crap, people are getting hacked and spammed with increasing regularity and there are massive privacy concerns, especially with the mobile app.

If something clean, functional and simple came along I would expect a fair amount of desertion from FB

[peterproudhon]

Ideantica is owned by StatusNet which seems to be privately owned from
what I can tell on the net.

Who owns diaspora?

On Jan 6, 5:14 pm, Sam Cook <sc...@hep.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> isn't this what diaspora is trying to do?https://joindiaspora.com/

>
> That being said yes I agree that an alternative to fb would be lovely
>
> S
>

> On 6 January 2011 16:35, peterproudhon <cebpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > With Facebook supposedly reaching a $50bn valuation this week my
> > resentment at people profiting from friendship has piqued and I feel
> > like doing something about it.
>
> > Anyone interested in setting up a member owned social network?
>
> > We could incorporate a co-operative as an Industrial and provident

> > society; get thewww.socialnetwork.coopdomain name; and create a

[James Harrison]

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diaspora is licensed under the Affero GPL v3.

https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/blob/master/COPYRIGHT

We could as a space host a Diaspora 'pod' (ie a server component of
the Diaspora network). It's very much under development but I know
I've been wanting to get involved in it; perhaps we could encourage
this as a project for those who are interested and run a development
box for it in the space if there's a spare box for that purpose? We
could run development copies and a regularly updated copy of the
diaspora git master HEAD for general usage. Might be a fun thing to
get kicked off.

Cheers,
James Harrison

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[Michael Shiloh]

I wonder whether the larger hacker space community would be interested
in this?

--

[Alex Stapleton]

Disapora is the poster child of federated social networks but there are
at least 6 other projects working on different systems right now. I have
no idea how actually usable (ignoring the requirement for other users to
actually be on it too of course) any of them are though.

http://opensource.appleseedproject.org/
http://foocorp.org/projects/social/
http://www.noserub.com/
http://onesocialweb.org/
http://socialriver.org/
http://open.buddycloud.com/

[Jon Spriggs]

Also include there Jappix http://www.jappix.com (like OneSocialWeb -
in that it's XMPP based with a web UI). Both OSW (based on OpenFire)
and Jappix (based on ejabberd) are being developed from the EU as
well, if that influences anyone :)
--
Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs

[Kussic]

There used to be  a Hacker-only social network ala myspace (bespoke coding) but it was hacked to death and the guy involved (paris) gave up and shut the whole thing down. Also for the hacking networks type hackers there's GNUCITIZEN's own House of Hackers (using Ning) but it looks pretty much dead too.

I love the idea of diaspora where every organisation can maintain their own "seed" but AFAIK it's still riddled with bugs and security issues. Their roadmap though looks promising: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/Roadmap

As far as Fecesbook is concerned I have a very limited account with no info at all and no friends, just for listening to group updates (like LHS) and joining events (oh like LHS events). So an LHS owned Social Network would be nice, the only issue I have with this (as always) from my point of view is security. We must not drop anyone's docs (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doc+dropping) or even worst get pwned by some east European script kiddie!

-Kussic

[Aneslin]

Of course, can setup a community web portal with event / meeting
arrangement features, sharing photos or musics,
with open source. Can setup with php/mysql and opensource CMS systems.
Its a great idea.

[Tom Scott]

Your post advocates a

(x) new ( ) revised ( ) open source ( ) federated

replacement for Facebook. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

(x) It will require an enormous development budget and team
(x) There are already dozens of competitors way ahead of you
( ) It has no defence against spammers
(x) The chicken-and-egg problem means there'll be no users
(x) Most social network users don't care about privacy
(x) The odds of success are tiny
(x) You appear to care more about bureaucracy than your users
( ) You appear to care more about money than your users
( ) "Facebook for clowns" is not a good business plan

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Asshats
(x) Diaspora
( ) Drunk students
(x) Public reluctance to accept weird new social networks
(x) Huge existing investment in Facebook
(x) Users being unwilling to shift networks without good reason
( ) Government
( ) Religion
( ) Conspiracy theorists

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
(x) If successful, that would just make you Mark Zuckerberg
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
(x) Even media-darling Diaspora hasn't got anywhere yet after months of effort
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) I'm a solipsist, so therefore you don't technically exist

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) You should have your EU Computer Driving License revoked.*

* Yes, that's a real thing. http://www.ecdl.org/

[Chris Foote (Spike)]

Wonderful stuff Tom!

Tom Scott wrote:

> ( ) You should have your EU Computer Driving License revoked.*
>
> * Yes, that's a real thing. http://www.ecdl.org/
>

* It is indeed! I've got one ;-)

[Kussic]

Is there a clause in there about drink "driving"?

[6tricky9]

This might be of some relevance here, and perhaps some mild amusement.

http://bit.ly/ePsoXD

Richard

[Dylan Beattie]

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but yeah, what Tom said.

Of all the possible endeavours towards which we could bend the collective enthusiasm and intellect of the hackspace, trying to compete with a $50-billion dollar network that's so ubiquitous even my parents are on it just seems like a waste of talent. 

Besides, between this list, the wiki, Twitter and IRC, the hackspace "network" is way more social than anything I ever do on Facebook. :)

-D-

[spooq]

Don't forget the Steam group ;)

[Daniel Sikar]

I came across a hacker collective social website today. They are
basically working atop the Ning engine so if Facebook is bothering
user peterproudhon that much, could that be an escape? Bearing in mind
Facebook and Ning have common backers.

On Jan 7, 4:17 pm, spooq <spo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't forget the Steam group ;)
>
> On 7 January 2011 14:59, Dylan Beattie <dy...@dylanbeattie.net> wrote:
>
> > I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but yeah, what Tom said.
> > Of all the possible endeavours towards which we could bend the collective
> > enthusiasm and intellect of the hackspace, trying to compete with a
> > $50-billion dollar network that's so ubiquitous even my parents are on it
> > just seems like a waste of talent.
> > Besides, between this list, the wiki, Twitter and IRC, the hackspace

> > "network" is way more social than anything I ever do onFacebook. :)

> > -D-
>
> > On 7 January 2011 11:15, Tom Scott <t...@tomscott.com> wrote:
>
> >> Your post advocates a
>
> >> (x) new ( ) revised ( ) open source ( ) federated
>

> >> replacement forFacebook. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't

> >> work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and
> >> it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad
> >> federal law was passed.)
>
> >> (x) It will require an enormous development budget and team
> >> (x) There are already dozens of competitors way ahead of you
> >> ( ) It has no defence against spammers
> >> (x) The chicken-and-egg problem means there'll be no users
> >> (x) Most social network users don't care about privacy
> >> (x) The odds of success are tiny
> >> (x) You appear to care more about bureaucracy than your users
> >> ( ) You appear to care more about money than your users

> >> ( ) "Facebookfor clowns" is not a good business plan

>
> >> Specifically, your plan fails to account for
>
> >> ( ) Asshats
> >> (x) Diaspora
> >> ( ) Drunk students
> >> (x) Public reluctance to accept weird new social networks
> >> (x) Huge existing investment inFacebook
> >> (x) Users being unwilling to shift networks without good reason
> >> ( ) Government
> >> ( ) Religion
> >> ( ) Conspiracy theorists
>
> >> and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
>
> >> (x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
> >> been shown practical
> >> (x) If successful, that would just make you Mark Zuckerberg
> >> ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
> >> (x) Even media-darling Diaspora hasn't got anywhere yet after months of
> >> effort
> >> ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
> >> ( ) I'm a solipsist, so therefore you don't technically exist
>
> >> Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
>
> >> (x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
> >> ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
> >> ( ) You should have your EU Computer Driving License revoked.*
>

> >> * Yes, that's a real thing.http://www.ecdl.org/
>
> >> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 16:35, peterproudhon <cebpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> WithFacebooksupposedly reaching a $50bn valuation this week my

> >>> resentment at people profiting from friendship has piqued and I feel
> >>> like doing something about it.
>
> >>> Anyone interested in setting up a member owned social network?
>
> >>> We could incorporate a co-operative as an Industrial and provident

> >>> society; get thewww.socialnetwork.coopdomain name; and create a
> >>> simple version ofFacebookfrom open source software based on a